Best season of all time .... ?
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A concept Talps is having trouble with here. His proof, as he said, is that nobody has said "yes" to this thread.
I didn't realize this was a poll. But anyway, tho your question above...
Yes. (this should now dissolve your logic.)
Look at BM's thread title and first post. You see this symbol> "?" Its called a question mark. BM is not stating this season is the greatest as fact, but its close enough that he's opening it up for debate. BTW, the points you posted comparing Doohan's to Lorenzo's this year are fairly close, not even seperated by more than 10 points. This makes the seasons in regards to comparable (and we are not even adjusting for a change in points system). Now take into account that during those years, any informed journalist will tell you, if you were not on a factory Honda, you were equivalent to a satellite bike in todays terms. Today, its quite a different story as even you have conceded that the three top factories have much more parity (unlike Doohan's day). I realize you have trouble with profound analysis when it comes to your boy being compared to anything other that sublime perection. As your first protest was to say BM was just trying to have a go at the rivals "(fans)", which may are may not be true, but I couldn't for sure detect it in his original post, since he infact turned it into a 'question' for us to debate.
Oh wait, almost forgot, here are a few numbers to make you happy. 349859324879247024387502 (That is about as meaningful as yours without deeper analysis of what they mean when making the difficult attempt to compare across seasons, much less eras.)
Not to mention that Lorenzo has had to shut it down because of this stupid engine rule . Speaking of stupid engine rules, it appears F1's engine rule is going to be a deciding factor in the championship. Thank god it wasnt an issue in GP
Not so sure about that just yet. But even if it does it's not much of a big deal in F1 because technical stuff has settled almost every title.
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You didn't prove this by providing numbers. Oh now, I see a "Mr. Slave" and a "Mr. Garrison" reply coming on...
Here are some figures for the most dominated seasons of the 800cc era for anyone into that kind of thing:
2007 Stoner scored 81.6% of the total points available, and beat his nearest rival by 51.7%
2008 Rossi scored 82.9% of the total points available, and beat his nearest rival by 33.2%
This season Lorenzo has scored 83.3% of the total points available, and is 46% ahead of the next guy
It seems in recent times at least there is a valid argument for Lorenzo's domination. Although it is worth noting that Rossi has bettered all these numbers on a 990 and Doohan blows the lot of them away by miles.
2007 Stoner scored 81.6% of the total points available, and beat his nearest rival by 51.7%
2008 Rossi scored 82.9% of the total points available, and beat his nearest rival by 33.2%
This season Lorenzo has scored 83.3% of the total points available, and is 46% ahead of the next guy
It seems in recent times at least there is a valid argument for Lorenzo's domination. Although it is worth noting that Rossi has bettered all these numbers on a 990 and Doohan blows the lot of them away by miles.
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Good factual post mate . whether or not people look at this as the best season or not, no one can deny Jorge was awesome this year. As ive said before i think he will be the next rossi / Doohan / ago in that he will win multiple championships, well that's my belief anyway.
This will alway be one of the ......'est seasons for me because 2 riders lost there lives.
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it is funny how questions like this, which is asking an opinion.....always ends up with people getting very defensive on what they believe is the best when others go against that line of thought.
Lorenzo scored the most points to win the title. This is the fact......now if it is the greatest ever, then it is up to who wants to believe that or not.
I don't think it is because....
1.) his alien rivals all had a bad season (Rossi missed races due to injury, Pedrosa missed races due to injury, Stoner had set up issues 1st half of season)
2.) the engine rule brought the factories to a conservative mindset to make a few engines last a season
3.) He has a chance to break the season points record....but he wont have 10+ wins or all podium finishes.
4.) He snubbed Spies and Rossi when he clinched the title......yeah I threw that one in there!!!!!
So....Lorenzo had a very impresive season with his results but IMO can't say it is the best season of all time. I will say the same with Agositini's seasons/titles...he did a great job racing/finishing, but the competition of bikes/riders was really not there during his run. Not Lorenzo's or Ago's fault, but that is how it falls. It cool thing for them is no matter what I (or anyone else thinks) they are world champions.
Now back to voicing your opionion louder than others to prove you are right!!!
Are you familiar with the Kenny Powers quote, "I'm not gonna stop yellin' 'cause that'd mean I lost the fight." ?
Guess who's a fan...
Are you familiar with the Kenny Powers quote, "I'm not gonna stop yellin' 'cause that's mean I lost the fight." ?
Guess who's a fan...
Kenny Powers!!
Eastbound and Down rocks!!
A concept Talps is having trouble with here. His proof, as he said, is that nobody has said "yes" to this thread.
I didn't realize this was a poll. But anyway, tho your question above...
Yes. (this should now dissolve your logic.)
Look at BM's thread title and first post. You see this symbol> "?" Its called a question mark. BM is not stating this season is the greatest as fact, but its close enough that he's opening it up for debate. BTW, the points you posted comparing Doohan's to Lorenzo's this year are fairly close, not even seperated by more than 10 points. This makes the seasons in regards to comparable (and we are not even adjusting for a change in points system). Now take into account that during those years, any informed journalist will tell you, if you were not on a factory Honda, you were equivalent to a satellite bike in todays terms. Today, its quite a different story as even you have conceded that the three top factories have much more parity (unlike Doohan's day). I realize you have trouble with profound analysis when it comes to your boy being compared to anything other that sublime perection. As your first protest was to say BM was just trying to have a go at the rivals "(fans)", which may are may not be true, but I couldn't for sure detect it in his original post, since he infact turned it into a 'question' for us to debate.
Oh wait, almost forgot, here are a few numbers to make you happy. 349859324879247024387502 (That is about as meaningful as yours without deeper analysis of what they mean when making the difficult attempt to compare across seasons, much less eras.)
I realize you need a journalist to tell of events pre 2006, I however was watching. I believe most Journo's would also say that the Fiat Yamaha has made the competition look pretty second rate over the past 3 years.
Just to clarify for everyone your utter stupidity- essentially you are saying that Doohan's dominance was only because he was on the the best bike, which he developed and nearly killed him several times, and that Jorge's situation today deserves more kudos. Sounds like the .... you sprout about Rossi-Then Rossi's season last year and in 08 should also be considered greater than Mick's in 1997-using your logic........
If you had read-and understood- my comparison, Doohan is seven points clear after 15 rounds of Jorge after 16 rounds--so its more like 27 points, add 3 rounds to Doohan's 1997 season and the man would have broken the 400 point mark.
In your more theoretical analysis, void of fact, 10 wins in a row is just down to superior machinery.....right. Jorge's had it much tougher.
You really don't have any valid argument, have you ever....? Seriously man-lawn bowls, its more your style.
the "total points available" each round is 140, and the total on a 18 round season is 2520...so Rossi did not take 82.9%. of the total points available, he took 14.8%. Stoner took 14.7% and Lorenzo has taken 13.5%. The best they could get is 17.8% of all available points in a 18 race season.
I put this up as a joke for the literal wording of total points available...but I know what you meant of your comparisons between 1st and 2nd place for total points possible for them to earn.
Actually looking at the total season points available....Rossi. Stoner, and Lorenzo have taken a nice chunk of the pie in 07, 08, and 10
The rest of his title seasons...Rossi took 12.1% in 2009, 15.4% in 2005, 13.6 % in 2004, 15.9% in 2003, and 15.8% in 2002, 14.5% in 2001, 13.8% in 1999, and 15.3% in 1997. Rossi's career total is 13.3% of total available points and 69.5% of total points he could earn.
Doohan took 16.2% of total available points in 94, and 97!! His career total points he could earn was 58.3% and total points available in his career was 11.6%
Why would you adjust points for 1997?? it was under the same points system that is in place right now. Now if you compare any of his season from 1988 to 1992 then you have to go to the 20-17-15-13-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 points scoring system
The only thing you did not account for was a 15 race season by Doohan and the 16 races Lorenzo has completed so far that Talpa pointed out above. Doohan did the 340 points in the first 14 races crashing out of the 15th...Lorenzo had 297 point through the first 14 races (Lorenzo had a 21.2 points per race avg for the 14 races while Doohan had a 24.3 points per race avg).
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You didn't prove this by providing numbers. Oh now, I see a "Mr. Slave" and a "Mr. Garrison" reply coming on...
not at all mr Garrison, this time your frind has a point.
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the "total points available" each round is 140, and the total on a 18 round season is 2520...so Rossi did not take 82.9%. of the total points available, he took 14.8%. Stoner took 14.7% and Lorenzo has taken 13.5%. The best they could get is 17.8% of all available points in a 18 race season.
I put this up as a joke for the literal wording of total points available...but I know what you meant of your comparisons between 1st and 2nd place for total points possible for them to earn.
Actually looking at the total season points available....Rossi. Stoner, and Lorenzo have taken a nice chunk of the pie in 07, 08, and 10
The rest of his title seasons...Rossi took 12.1% in 2009, 15.4% in 2005, 13.6 % in 2004, 15.9% in 2003, and 15.8% in 2002, 14.5% in 2001, 13.8% in 1999, and 15.3% in 1997. Rossi's career total is 13.3% of total available points and 69.5% of total points he could earn.
Doohan took 16.2% of total available points in 94, and 97!! His career total points he could earn was 58.3% and total points available in his career was 11.6%
These are some serious numbers too.
This is the answer, Doohan is the best ever with his 16.2% of the total points in 94 and 97, now we should only wait and count if Horhay can come so far in these last 2 remaining rounds.
