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Best season of all time .... ?
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I think 97 is the best season ever. But your 'lack of competition' complaint about this season is ridiculous as i can think of no season with stronger competition than the list i mentioned.
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Your point?
you didn't like my post?
with the ...... .... you smoke, of cource you wont get it.
i was just joking , no intent to offend you.sorry if that wasnt clear
but seriously you do see that stating that 2010 jlo didn't have any competition is crazy?
Well...I think Rossi and the rest of the grid make sure their tires are up to temp before they start pushing too hard....unlike you or me taking a streetbike out down the road. Different rubber and different tarmac to really try and compare you vs Rossi pushing a cold tire.
I could be wrong, but didn't a few riders complain that the spec Bridgestones were not getting up to temp very well this season?? If Rossi's crash was a unique situation, then I would say rider error and be done with it.
Of course you can try to sue.....but you will have a hard time getting the bike and tire data when you crash. Rossi's team have plenty of bike data and the tire in question to test right there.
My main point was the tire is part of the equipment that a rider uses to make the bike work......and that equipment can fail to work as designed without the rider making an error just like Pedrosa's RBW issue.
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When the specifiek rival was needed, he wasn't there, first happend to Casey this year and then to Rossi the nearest rival atm and the worst to danni, and we all knew who will be the champ.
for example last year there was a constant fight and race between Rossi and Horhay, the championship wasn't decided as early as this year.
this season hasn't been even as good as the last 3 years, not to mention for ever.
i will value "the best Season ever" based on anything but the totle points of the winner. That's maybe the Best performance ever.
that's my reason. now, maybe i haven't cared for those dns/dnf's in last years, or poorly described it.
Yes but the tyre was not faulty. Rossi crashed because he failed to anticipate the capability of his equipment when it was working in its usual manner. Cold tyre crashes are not new, like you said
Thats because Rossi's advantage over Jorge last year was far smaller than Jorge's over Rossi this year
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i was just joking , no intent to offend you.sorry if that wasnt clear
but seriously you do see that stating that 2010 jlo didn't have any competition is crazy?
I was joking too, dont worry.
Have i said Any competition? Where??
If i have said that, then that's a fault of mine, he had competition, but not serious, i see "lack of competition" is getting me into trouble
Do you believe this is the best Season ever?
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The competitors list seems to be great.. but do you think the competion was great this year? My opinion is the rivals let themselves down for one reason or the other.
Lorenzo's did a great job rectifying almost all the mistakes he did in the last couple of years but still I feel its not the best as he didn't got the opportunity to showcase them alongside a healthy competition.
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So where's the "praying" ? Praying suggests I was applying some form of voodoo wish against it happening
and whats wrong with what I said
Stoner is playing "win it or bin it" the latter half of the year ....... where's the problem?
I thought it was just a bit more Bopper delusions by you Mr Hankey, you can't apply Bopper means of fan-ness to others ........... it usually does not involve worship/idollatry/voodoo/tears/crying/praying/cold sweats/palpitations/wetting of hosiery and undergarments
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This seems on track with what I was thinking, only I would argue that the "one reason or other" was Lorenzo.
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So where's the "praying" ? Praying suggests I was applying some form of voodoo wish against it happening........ It was more a statement of fact ....... ie. what will be .... will be.
and whats wrong with what I said?
Stoner is playing "win it or bin it" the latter half of the year ....... where's the problem?
I thought it was just a bit more Bopper delusions by you Mr Hankey, you can't apply Bopper means of fan-ness to others ........... it usually does not involve worship/idollatry/voodoo/tears/crying/praying/cold sweats/palpitations/wetting of hosiery and undergarments
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Your best race where Stoner finishes a mile ahead, even if the race is boring.
Your best Season ever 2010.
The facts are there for everybody to check them, but some people dont want to see the reality even if they feel the gigantic aliens's prob in their a$$
How many people exactly did support your opinion in this thread? i dont see any. open your eyes and see that aliens prob comming out of your a$$ Cartman.
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Actually…
2008, Rossi scored 373 points with 18 races in the season; this is most points in history.
Lorenzo currently has 358, so a podium finish would mean he'll score at least 374 points (378 with second and 383 with victory). If he does it, he will have scored the most points in history under current number of events.
Rossi scored 367 points in 2005 with 17 races. Stoner also scored 367 in 2007 - but then with 18 races.
So it would be a broken record straight up. Apples to apples. LINK
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No. That was the point of my question in the thread. I guess I was opening it up for discussion as to what others see as the "best season" However, I must admit I had not even entertained the thought, at the time, of the "best" season being for reasons of "BEAUTY"Originally I would have said that my idea of the best season ever was heavily tied to the points earned(hence the reference to Lorenzo possibly doing it pointwise ), however I was fully aware that there are sometimes extraneous circumstances that do not make all "seem as it appears", eg. 2002 where realistically the 500's ( and any rider on one ) didn't have a chance, hence it must be seen as downgrading the overall WC that year.
Me. I'll put it this way ...... in my younger days we rode 500cc two stroke dirt bikes, Then Suzuki came out with a 370 for the open class ( which we all called "the 500's back then ...... possibly out of shear redneckedness ...... and said "PFFFT" to tiny 370's!) , because Decoster reckoned thats all you'd ever need ........ he was pretty right. Mind you I once got a 750 triple kwaka converted dirt tracker to race .......... sounds enticing( and I was scared of it at first but agreed to ride it ) .......... biggest pile of crap everI think I could get around faster on my 250 Yam. You were too busy backing off to find traction that it went nowhere, and then when you got to a corner ......... it wasn't "comfortable"
With respect to GP ...... are there many 990 era lap records still standing?
To be honest I'd open the class up to anything above say 750cc and then let the developers answer it with what they come up with as the best sized machine for running around GP tracks. It may even be interesting to let them change the capacity for each track though I supect that would be a tad expensive for modern day teams. They would however gain a huge understanding of the whole engine size issue.
Here's a question for you ..... what capacity bike could you get around say .... Estoril the fastest? Why 990/1000? ( if thats what you say ) .......
Holy crap! I can't believe you were on a 2 stroke Kawi 750 triple ("water buffalo?"). That's nuts. Props to you for your long arc of experience!
Likely on any given racetrack I would get around fastest on, say, a Ducati 848 or 1198. I am just not that good a racer to get the most of out 1000cc 4's, and lots of bottom end grunt gets me out of problems/mistakes/shortcomings. I'm not a good example though. I tried getting an R1 around tracks the fast way and just plain old didn't have the skills.
Perhaps of that point though - the issue of what that big twin would get for me that may be applicable here. What I notice is that the displacement 800cc vs 1000cc seems more one of traction control increase needed to keep the huge corner speed up since there isn't the grunt to get back out of the corner. Also that seems to have reduced the viable number of lines into and out of a corner. No more "squaring off" corners, so that line is just basically GONE. I doubt that many would find it an arguable point that the bigger cc bikes will have more grunt. And that this will diversify the number of ways to get in and out of a corner fast. And that this is better racing, both to watch and to ride.
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The 800cc packed with electronics and designed for high corner speed may have broken all the lap records, but who cares? They are expensive, complicated, boring bikes best suited for your typical 250 riders. And they are as dangerous as the old 500cc! So many injured riders, even with such a small grid.
The only exciting moments in this era have been provided by the usual supplier, Valentino Rossi. Thanks to him. The 800cc however have risked killing his career, as they have effectively killed the careers of riders like Hayden, Capirossi, Melandri, Hopkins who could never really adapt to these new bikes.
1000cc will not do much for the racing now, unless the electronics are binned and the fuel limit is raised. See how F1 has come back to life after disposing of most electronic aids. For once, we should follow the example set by F1. Then maybe we'll have again seasons really worth to be remembered.
Agreed!!!
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Best season ever.... 383!
9 wins, only twice off podium with 4ths, against a deep field of competition. Unfortunately it was a year that saw Rossi and Pedro have a self inflicted injury, but nobody can say it would have changed the results for certain. Congrats to him!
(I can hear Talps crying).
9 wins, only twice off podium with 4ths, against a deep field of competition. Unfortunately it was a year that saw Rossi and Pedro have a self inflicted injury, but nobody can say it would have changed the results for certain. Congrats to him!
(I can hear Talps crying).
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Irrefuteably so too inthe end. A great rider, I find his syle somewhat very staid, but irrefuteably a great rider in history now. Highest scoring MGP rider of all time. Was a great season too.
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Hats off to him, it was the most dominate season ever. Cant argue that.
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The reason I referred here is injuries and machine(not for rossi and Dani) ofcourse Lorenzo's consistency.
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The water buffalo was the Suzuki GT750. The Kawi 750 triple was the Mach iV air cooled variety. I owned both back in the 70's. The GT750 felt like a sport tourer compared to the Mach IV. Still to this day, the Kawi 750 triple was the scariest street bike i have ever ridden. Back then the engines were way more advanced than the chassis and brakes.
