Bautista To Take Pedrosa's Seat In 2010?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 18 2009, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your question asks how many meters in a pound. I've said very plainly, so even you can understand, that 250 titles, no matter if they were 50 years ago or 5 years ago, are still minor leagues. They are NOT the pinnacle title therefore are NOT as valued. The 250 rider, while there has been a premiere class, has never been perceived as the top rider unless he was the big bike champion. WTF, don't you understand?

You really don't have a clue do you?
In those days the championships stood out on their own. Riding an 80cc or 125cc had very little in common with 500cc. I'm not the one comparing two different measuremnets, it's you makeing different championships into the hunt for only one.
I agree that to a large degree 125 and 250 today is feeder series to MotoGP but it has not allways been like that. To say that was true 30 years ago you would also have to set up the stupid "pinnacle" in every major branch of sports. 100m in athletics, dowhill in skiing, soccer in ball sports and so on.
All other athlets winning anything in the related sports are hardly worth mentioning, right?
Because that's just how different these classes once were.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 18 2009, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You really don't have a clue do you?
In those days the championships stood out on their own. Riding an 80cc or 125cc had very little in common with 500cc. I'm not the one comparing two different measuremnets, it's you makeing different championships into the hunt for only one.
I agree that to a large degree 125 and 250 today is feeder series to MotoGP but it has not allways been like that. To say that was true 30 years ago you would also have to set up the stupid "pinnacle" in every major branch of sports. 100m in athletics, dowhill in skiing, soccer in ball sports and so on.
All other athlets winning anything in the related sports are hardly worth mentioning, right?
Because that's just how different these classes once were.
different types of motorcycle racing is road racing, dirt track, prototype, etc. not the displacement of a bike...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 18 2009, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...

Ah, despite my measured responses, you insist on showing your very dense and elementary understanding of the world. We are not talking Olympics format here, the format of the sport is progressive leading to the most powerful machine. So how many ways can you explain the same reality to an imbecile like you before you understand, well I think the answer is, it will never be enough. So should I repeat, what you can easily read above as the right answer? I think not.

Go ahead; live in the fantasy world you have created for yourself. The rest of us reasonable people will comprehend that despite there being several steps to the summit, none of them are actually the summit, until you reach the top. That is true now and that was true then. Period.

If the now lower classes of 125 and 250 were merely stepping stones to the 500s, then why on earth would Freddie Spencer, among others, waste their time riding 250s in addition to 500s? It's past my time but my understanding is that, yes, the 500s were the big boy class but there was a lot of merit in riding in 350, 250, 125 etc. It's not the same as today's hierarchy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 18 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If the now lower classes of 125 and 250 were merely stepping stones to the 500s, then why on earth would Freddie Spencer, among others, waste their time riding 250s in addition to 500s? It's past my time but my understanding is that, yes, the 500s were the big boy class but there was a lot of merit in riding in 350, 250, 125 etc. It's not the same as today's hierarchy.

You obviously got a very dense and elementary understanding of the world too Austin

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 18 2009, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You obviously got a very dense and elementary understanding of the world too Austin
Must be my Norwegian heritage.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 17 2009, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah, so you finally admit that they are “junior” series. Perhaps you may have forgotten your previously held erroneous notion that 125/250 were equal and stand alone world championship. I guess your opinions, like your favorite ride of the week and flavor of the month are as usual, changing with the winds.

As far as the point of the thread, saying that “work experience” is being downplayed is miles from the issue being discussed. If fact, what I'm saying is that you gain the 'experience' in the lower/feeder classes, but this is only a stepping stone, a process, in becoming a rider for the premier series. That you had success in the lower class is only important if you use that experience to graduate to the top class, which is the one that counts. The accomplishments and success you have in college ball are great, and you get the t-shirt and praises, but that is not the goal of the person trying to go for the ultimate accolade in that particular sport, is it? NO. In regard to the sport of motorcycle racing, its great to have local, national, and underclass titles, but that will never replace the premier class title for which the pinnacle of the sport recognizes. Yeah, the work experience leading up to that title is noteworthy, but only in the context of the process! But as usual, your post above twits and missed the gist of the debate by light years.

Again, Nieto’s Biaggi’s, Melandri’s Capirossi’s 250 titles are great, and I’ll even say, impressive, noteworthy, but is that title represent the pinnacle championship of the sport? NO WAY.

I didn't say the modern 250cc and 125cc championships represent the pinnacle of the sport in the way that motogp does (they used to have more value of course) but they are world championships in their own right. They used to be considered junior in size more than status, now they have a lower status but still exist as world championships rather than academies like the redbull rookies or GP2 for example. Also, you stated that Pedro's 250cc championships don't mean ...., which is not at all true.