Bautista To Take Pedrosa's Seat In 2010?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 16 2009, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>give me his number...
Usually No.1. 13 world championships, 90 victories 1782 career points.

Telephone number?...er, I think he's ex directory

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 16 2009, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Usually No.1. 13 world championships, 90 victories 1782 career points.

Telephone number?...er, I think he's ex directory
winning 125cc champs is not that kinda special....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 16 2009, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>winning 125cc champs is not that kinda special....
You do it then

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 16 2009, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>winning 125cc champs is not that kinda special....

yeah, i got a few of them and i keep losing them behind the sofa etc! last week i saw my wife was using one to level out the kitchen table leg....

Arrabbiata has made the point previously that whilst the 125s to some extent have now become a feeder class for young riders this was not always the case.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Feb 17 2009, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah, i got a few of them and i keep losing them behind the sofa etc! last week i saw my wife was using one to level out the kitchen table leg....

Of course winning titles in the junior catagory is meaningful, it'd foolish to think otherwise. Just like with normal jobs, motogp rides are not given out randomly and they have to be earned with previous achievements. If you went for a job interview and said you were uneducated and had no work experience but it doesn't matter because thats just the little leagues you probably wouldn't get the position.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 17 2009, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Arrabbiata has made the point previously that whilst the 125s to some extent have now become a feeder class for young riders this was not always the case.
It certainly wasn't, although Nieto himself was more renowned I think for his 250 prowess/campaigns.

In fact I would go as far as to suggest that there was a time when each class attracted a similar amount of gravitas due to the great names that competed simultaneously in each championship re - Ago, Hailwood. I like motorcyle racing of all shapes and sizes, and over the years have derived as much pleasure from the so called smaller classes as I have 500cc, 990's, WSB whatever. It is regrettable that WSS, 125's, 250's are now percieved as merely feeder series towards the ultimate aim by both pundits plaudits and riders alike.

Of course everyone supposedly wants to be Moto GP World Champion, just as everyone wants to be WSB Champion, - I'm not suggesting that was always the case, and it shouldn't now depreciate the smaller classes or even the national championship series throughout the world which are all relative, and as we know, and in a constant state of flux.

But in fact, not everyone wanted to be Moto GP champion of the world...does this devalue Joey's road racing achievements in any way? Furthermore I got as much of a kick watching him thrash the .... out of a 125 single on the island as I did seeing him tame the latest 1 litre 4 cylinder superbike.

It is my recollection that prior to the '80s all classes were regarded more or less equal. Rides chose the class that best suited their size and/or riding style. The masters of that age could, and did, ride and champion in various classes simultaneously. Nieto's achievements cannot be diminished because they were garnered in different classes. Modern age is not the same - Pedrobot's 125 and 250 wins do not carry the same weight.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 17 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You do it then
im just saying that - from a premier class rider's point of view - winning 125cc is a bit child's play...

i know it is not nothing, but its only a nice status at the start of a career... no one is going to race 125cc for the rest of his live getting the WC every year... 125 is a class for the starting professional racers... as succesful rider's career prolongs, it changes into side info...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 17 2009, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>im just saying that - from a premier class rider's point of view - winning 125cc is a bit child's play...

i know it is not nothing, but its only a nice status at the start of a career... no one is going to race 125cc for the rest of his live getting the WC every year... 125 is a class for the starting professional racers... as succesful rider's career prolongs, it changes into side info...
I remember Vale saying that that first 125 cc championship was amongst his most cherished alongside the first year on the Yam. He was also highly influenced by Biaggi on the 250 when he was a kid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 16 2009, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tell that to Angel Nieto
ok, I'll send him a note.


(BTW Angel Nieto underclass titles are nice, but for me, ride the big bike buddy).

I get what you are saying Arrab, just that in the modern era it doesn't mean much. I think there should be a limit in titles for the lower classes. Tell me something, what's the idea of the age limit in 125s? I say, you win three and that's it, move on. What's this .... about being the best ever college player and 13th year senior. Yo, tap this fool on the shoulder, it may be time to graduate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 16 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You do it then
Again, yes, its special, but we mortals/spectators/arm chair quarterbacks place way more value on the top class/big leagues championships, than we do for the minors/lower classes...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 17 2009, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I remember Vale saying that that first 125 cc championship was amongst his most cherished alongside the first year on the Yam. He was also highly influenced by Biaggi on the 250 when he was a kid.
thats vale's oppinion.... >.<

someone's first WC is always unforgettable....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 17 2009, 04:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Of course winning titles in the junior catagory is meaningful, it'd foolish to think otherwise. Just like with normal jobs, motogp rides are not given out randomly and they have to be earned with previous achievements. If you went for a job interview and said you were uneducated and had no work experience but it doesn't matter because thats just the little leagues you probably wouldn't get the position.

Ah, so you finally admit that they are “junior” series. Perhaps you may have forgotten your previously held erroneous notion that 125/250 were equal and stand alone world championship. I guess your opinions, like your favorite ride of the week and flavor of the month are as usual, changing with the winds.

As far as the point of the thread, saying that “work experience” is being downplayed is miles from the issue being discussed. If fact, what I'm saying is that you gain the 'experience' in the lower/feeder classes, but this is only a stepping stone, a process, in becoming a rider for the premier series. That you had success in the lower class is only important if you use that experience to graduate to the top class, which is the one that counts. The accomplishments and success you have in college ball are great, and you get the t-shirt and praises, but that is not the goal of the person trying to go for the ultimate accolade in that particular sport, is it? NO. In regard to the sport of motorcycle racing, its great to have local, national, and underclass titles, but that will never replace the premier class title for which the pinnacle of the sport recognizes. Yeah, the work experience leading up to that title is noteworthy, but only in the context of the process! But as usual, your post above twits and missed the gist of the debate by light years.

Again, Nieto’s Biaggi’s, Melandri’s Capirossi’s 250 titles are great, and I’ll even say, impressive, noteworthy, but is that title represent the pinnacle championship of the sport? NO WAY.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 17 2009, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I remember Vale saying that that first 125 cc championship was amongst his most cherished alongside the first year on the Yam. He was also highly influenced by Biaggi on the 250 when he was a kid.
I thought he followed in the footsteps of Capirossi and thus, hated Biaggi. That's where the rivalry started, it was Biaggi vs. Capirossi and Valentino was a die hard Capi fan so he took it upon himself to make Biaggi into a villain.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 17 2009, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought he followed in the footsteps of Capirossi and thus, hated Biaggi. That's where the rivalry started, it was Biaggi vs. Capirossi and Valentino was a die hard Capi fan so he took it upon himself to make Biaggi into a villain.
He was definitely an initial admirer of Max. There's a famous picture of him in his bedroom as a kid, and the walls are festooned with Max posters. But yeah, that obviously didn't last long and he changed his allegiancies to Lols. Then there was his fixation with Norick...Uccio must have been very insecure young man during all of these periods

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 17 2009, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He was definitely an initial admirer of Max. There's a famous picture of him in his bedroom as a kid, and the walls are festooned with Max posters. But yeah, that obviously didn't last long and he changed his allegiancies to Lols. Then there was his fixation with Norick...Uccio must have been very insecure young man during all of these periods
Sorry about that. Admittedly, it's been about three years since I've read Rossi's autobiography but I did not remember him being a Max fan. Just the bits about Capi and Abe.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 17 2009, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ok, I'll send him a note.


(BTW Angel Nieto underclass titles are nice, but for me, ride the big bike buddy).

I get what you are saying Arrab, just that in the modern era it doesn't mean much.
what exactly are you trying to say here. That Nieto's titles should be valued based on todays value of the 250 title?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 17 2009, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry about that. Admittedly, it's been about three years since I've read Rossi's autobiography but I did not remember him being a Max fan. Just the bits about Capi and Abe.

I read it on the shiter once a week ...no... he was NEVER a Max fan

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 17 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what exactly are you trying to say here. That Nieto's titles should be valued based on todays value of the 250 title?

Your question asks how many meters in a pound. I've said very plainly, so even you can understand, that 250 titles, no matter if they were 50 years ago or 5 years ago, are still minor leagues. They are NOT the pinnacle title therefore are NOT as valued. The 250 rider, while there has been a premiere class, has never been perceived as the top rider unless he was the big bike champion. WTF, don't you understand?