Arab is a Stalker.

Well we all disagree with your life style to .... animals. Go back to being just plain ..., troll.

BarryMachine said:

See ...... Stalking and trolling thats all you guys post ....... never anything of readable value

Just follow Barry around and sook/moan/troll at him thats pretty much all you do here Mdub .

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So what the .... did you expect from this thread? You opened up Pandoras box dude. And no Pandora is not the name of my dog.







Ben, please give me my moderator status so I can move this thread to the lounge where it belongs. I thought Barry is supposed to be smart or something?

BarryMachine said:

Luckily I live half a world away I say. Or he'd be following me round in person.

I disagree with your take on "Backing it in Arab" get over it.

thats not how it happens.

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That's because your idea of "point and shoot" involves animals rather than motorbikes !

? ????????

BarryMachine said:

I disagree with your take on "Backing it in Arab" get over it.



thats not how it happens.

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O.k - I have no problem with that - we'll start again. As I suggested earlier, if you disagree start a new thread and state why and I'll happily debate the topic systematically with you in a civil and constructive way for all to see.



Even easier. Thanks for starting this you fool. No problem with me - I've got two threads now to continue to 'stalk you' and 'out' your depraved fetishes whilst reminding everyone that you said this.....

BarryMachine said:

I was happily ... until I saw a photo of you ....... turned me off blokes for life!!



Nearly turned me off humans and other primates as well, but meh, if dogs are good enough for me so are apes!

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Now why not do something totally unexpected and perhaps retaliate with an image of a bicycle wheel

Arrabbiata1 said:

Thanks for starting this. No problem with me - I've got two threads now to continue to 'stalk you' and 'out' your depraved fetishes - and remind everyone that you said this.....









Now why not do something totally unexpected and perhaps retaliate with an image of a bicycle wheel

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Ummm that bike wheel must be some cryptic clue. Maybe Bestiality barry is telling us he is the dog pound "bike" so there for he is the one being abused by these animals rather than the contrary like we assumed?

BarryMachine said:

I disagree with your take on "Backing it in Arab" get over it.

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That's fine and that is indeed your prerogative. Therefore I challenge you to a duel.



I suggest starting a thread to debate this albeit with certain rules to adhere to. No personal insults, no digression, you outline why you disagree with me, define what you believe the term 'backing in' a motorcycle precisely constitutes and I will respond. Then we request a completely impartial forum member or moderator, completely unaffiliated and rational - say Tom, Gaz, Mike or a moderator Ben, Dazza or Frost to act as arbitrator over the relative merits of our contentions.



Alternatively you post a picture of the rear wheel of a bicycle for the hundredth time and I in return continue to 'out you'. I absolutely guarantee that you will bottle out of this which will illustrate my point that you are incapable of rational discourse. If you disagree then state why and beat me in a fair debate.



Personally, I would prefer the debate. If you have the conviction (no pun intended) my Aussie friend, then take me up on my challenge.



(I have an impending sense of a rear bicycle wheel posted somewhere at dawn in New South Wales)

". Therefore I challenge you to a duel."



Just don't demand satisfaction, you never know what you might get

Arrabbiata1 said:

That's fine and that is indeed your prerogative. Therefore I challenge you to a duel.



I suggest starting a thread to debate this albeit with certain rules to adhere to. No personal insults, no digression, you outline why you disagree with me, define what you believe the term 'backing in' a motorcycle precisely constitutes and I will respond. Then we request a completely impartial forum member or moderator, completely unaffiliated and rational - say Tom, Gaz, Mike or a moderator Ben, Dazza or Frost to act as arbitrator over the relative merits of our contentions.



Alternatively you post a picture of the rear wheel of a bicycle for the hundredth time and I in return continue to 'out you'. I absolutely guarantee that you will bottle out of this which will illustrate my point that you are incapable of rational discourse. If you disagree then state why and beat me in a fair debate.



Personally, I would prefer the debate. If you have the conviction (no pun intended) my Aussie friend, then take me up on my challenge.



(I have an impending sense of a rear bicycle wheel posted somewhere at dawn in New South Wales)

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Is it physically impossible to back in a motorcycle without a back brake and/or a gear downchange?



Depends, on a two stroke I would say its impossible, on a four stroke v twin with no slipper clutch, yes why not? Specifically whats the difference between shutting the throttle with the engine at redline and downchanging? In each case the force the engine will apply to the back wheel is similar if not the same. Unless you mean a botched up downchange but thats more poor technique, something I have done, not controlled backing in. Whether its the engine applying the force through the chain or the rear brake, the rear wheel and tyre do not differentiate the difference like some sentient being, sliding only when its being done 'correctly'. Either the force is enough to send the wheel sideways on the lean angle or not.



I dont think its impossible, rather a much harder to do, extreme speed, expert rider type of technique. Watching those stunt dudes do their thing, what with the mx backflips etc if someone described on the internet they could do that a few years ago I would probably call ........ without seeing it with my own eyes, yet these days even a backflip on a bike is a fairly common occurance.



I see your debate being more along the lines of whether Barry himself can really back it in this way as he claims which is fair enough to question but still not the same as to debate whether or not it is possible to do on certain types of bikes, particularly V twins. A more logical way to engage Barry rather than asking him to post himself backing in might be to question whether he can provide some figures for engine back torque forces for v twin engines at peak rev range at closed thottle to see whether they are ever comparable to the forces caused by braking and downchanging. To me though its not really necessary, I get that two big pistons move enough air under compression to make it possible to semi-lock a rear tire.



Or else we can just post more pics of bikes and beasts?



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20XsaHpRQC8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20XsaHpRQC8[/media]

birdman said:

Is it physically impossible to back in a motorcycle without a back brake and/or a gear downchange?



Depends, on a two stroke I would say its impossible, on a four stroke v twin with no slipper clutch, yes why not? Specifically whats the difference between shutting the throttle with the engine at redline and downchanging? In each case the force the engine will apply to the back wheel is similar if not the same. Unless you mean a botched up downchange but thats more poor technique, something I have done, not controlled backing in. Whether its the engine applying the force through the chain or the rear brake, the rear wheel and tyre do not differentiate the difference like some sentient being, sliding only when its being done 'correctly'. Either the force is enough to send the wheel sideways on the lean angle or not.



I dont think its impossible, rather a much harder to do, extreme speed, expert rider type of technique. Watching those stunt dudes do their thing, what with the mx backflips etc if someone described on the internet they could do that a few years ago I would probably call ........ without seeing it with my own eyes, yet these days even a backflip on a bike is a fairly common occurance.



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20XsaHpRQC8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20XsaHpRQC8[/media]

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Agree - it is not impossible to do but it is highly unlikely that Barry or any road rider is 'routinely' employing such a technique 'with ease' on public roads on a Ducati 749s.



What's the difference between shutting the throttle with the engine at redline and downchanging? - Do you actually ride? Backing in involves a controlled feed of the clutch in conjunction with the downshift - with the emphasis being upon control.



I think that the debate here is just as much about terminology as it is technique. Barry is unable to differentiate between a 'powerslide' and 'backing in'. He talks of shutting the throttle on the approach to a corner and sliding with body position alone yet in the next sentence insists that slides are purely initiated by the throttle.



No what Barry is describing it's not impossible to do - but on a public road? as a common occurance? - about as common, meaningful and relevant to this debate as someone pulling a backflip on a bike I'd say.

birdman said:

Is it physically impossible to back in a motorcycle without a back brake and/or a gear downchange?



Depends, on a two stroke I would say its impossible, on a four stroke v twin with no slipper clutch, yes why not? Specifically whats the difference between shutting the throttle with the engine at redline and downchanging?

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I can answer that. I used to ride a supermoto and regularly used this backing ion technique. To get the bike's rear wheel to step out you need to get the rear wheel rotating at a slower speed than the front. Just closing the throttle will slow the front and rear wheels to the same speed unless you have back pressure so unbelievable the bike would be un-ridable. I couldn't manage that on a single so doubtful a v twin could manage it.

Skidding the rear wheel will also step out the rear because the rear is now stopped so slower than the front wheel but this will not be controlled.

This is how i did it.

First you need to carry a lot of speed, it will not work at slow speeds. When you get on the front brake for a corner at speed you change down one or two gears more than you would normally. Because your hard on the front brake the rear is light, you feed out the clutch and balance the amount of rear wheel rotation while tipping the bike in. Balance the bike by sticking your leg out and aiming for the front spindle.

Im sure there must be other ways but this was how i was tought.

If you look at the left foot especially towards the end of the vid you can see the down shift prior to the rear stepping out. You will also notice how long the left leg stays on the peg, this is because of downshifting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1y9c2WMYzY

Great stuff, and Berry, you brought it on yourself....

Off topic, but that video gives me wood!

...back on topic...Barry.....balls in your court.