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a whine from stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 16 2008, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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Continue diging Jumkie, this is hilarious.
Only the morons fail to see that this is the exact things that were compared and what bikergirl objected to in the start. That was an attempt to show how bad flapping electronics could be exemplified with flying rubber and stones from the tires of others vehicles. And as you said two very different scenarios.
When you want to make a fool out of others you might want to check what they actually argue against.
One thing I can always count on you, is you're very predictable--predictably wrong! I know that these are the two scenarios, but one of them was what actually happened (which is what I've been talking about, but that you missed). This is why I said; the morons bring up the "stationary" scenario. Yes I am aware she disputed in part, but then made the mistake of saying the forces were "negligible" and the "experience equivalent to having the thing flapping ...as if both elements are stationary" Notice the word that BikerGirl used here? She said its "EQUIVALENT" to having the thing flapping as if were both "SATIONARY". That what I disputed little buddy.

Both posts, I bring up something dangling in the wind from the bike traveling forward, and Rog & Bikerguru jump on here talking about a stationary scenario (read their posts again, or just go to mine, I highlighted the import parts of the quote). WTF. This is much different than what Rog & Bikergifted suggest about stationary objects being hit at speed, that is; if Casey would have been traveling then somebody standing on the side of the track dangled a little camera and it hit his hand, then we would be talking about that, but since that did NOT happen, then why even try to compare this scenario, only a moron would, and a moron wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two, like you. (Or at least somebody who cant read or understand elementary physics.)

Again, go back and read slowly and carefully, if the big words confuse you, then you Rog and Bikersweetheart (our resident physicist) can get an elementary dictionary.

What exactly did I say in my scenarios that you dispute???

Geez, is this that difficult to understand that event the seemingly very educated can get it so wrong? ...., we are all doomed. Rog, I get him, he’s just ....... around breaking my balls, and I’m doing the same, Bikergirl is pregnant, so enough said, but you Babel, all I can do is laugh and say, ....... we need a minimum IQ test on the forum. Lets add that to the wish list.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 16 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>. Maybe its just that people are relating his little tantrum in his garage or his other comments about people interfering during he’s quals, some maybe he does have a bit of a whining tone, but in this case I think it fairly legit. Perhaps eloquence and humility is not his strong suit,
i agree with this part of your post, the rest was just the ramblings of a mad man
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 16 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree with this part of your post, the rest was just the ramblings of a mad mad
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Just trying to keep up with present company.
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(Sorry to disappoint you buddy, I know it would have been much funnier having dumb & dumber going bonkers trying to defend their whining little boy, but this actually happened to me once (that is, .... hanging off my bike coming lose, remember I have a Ducati and they're not exactly known for keeping together).
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XOXO
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Apr 16 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can still kick a lot of ....
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Just because you have a big ... doesn't mean you can kick ....

Ah, come on, you know I was just breaking balls here, in your case, fat .........
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 16 2008, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because it has a shape that make the airflow too complex and without any disitnct direction. It makes the box twist and turn and change direction all the time. That's not exactly ideal to start a violent continous flapping. Hiting a resonance frequency isn't that easy. Mythbusters that were mentioned above, have tried without success
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That's assuming that there's not some characteristic frequency of the flow around the bike that the box is being driven by. The box isn't sitting in some pristine wind tunnel isolated from everything but itself. Also, I don't remember the box being nearly that convoluted in shape, but that's really beside the point.

Mythbusters generally fails pretty spectactularly at making any sort of rigorous point. They just make a halfassed stab at replicating something under a given set of circumstances. Fine if it works, pretty meaningless if it doesn't.

Hitting a resonant frequency just isn't that hard at all. Mythbusters trying to hit one isn't mentioned above, btw. A quick google search for resonance mythbusters turns up a couple of episodes/instances. In their first season they apparently tested a bridge with a bunch of mechanical soldiers, but in their typical sloppy fashion they ...... it up and randomly tested at the wrong frequency/frequencies then ...... up again and killed their bridge off-resonance. They later revisited that and killed a bridge with resonant excitation. Not particularly meaningful either way, to be honest. The other one was a wine glass. Once again, they broke it @ resonance. Once again, their technique was sloppy as hell, convoluted, and otherwise stupid. Even then, they managed to achieve what they were trying to do.

If you want to be taken seriously, don't cite anything that mythbusters failed to do, because they fail at designing worthwhile experiments.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 16 2008, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So it had nothing to so with CS, you jsut felt obligated to tell about urelated incidents, although it finally may or may not be related to CS' situation?

The only propper response to this, and probably more related to the Casey incident:

I like ham

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Well I realise that some are so blinded or have such diverse opinions that they cannot see a comment for what it is, so below in italics is the paragraph that started this whole 'pain' debate.

I would expect that in racing terms having an object flapping around and impacting with your hand would be quite distracting and potentially painful (not knowing the size nor power of the impacts). As such I could believe that it would have affected Stoner in some way.

Please tell me where it says 'would have been painful'?

The fact remains that having an object flapping around a motorcycle at any time (road or race) can be distracting.

Another fact is that being struck by that flapping object has potential to cause pain.

It does not mean that the object striking him was painful, nor distracting to him (although I would expect that the flapping was distracting).

So, I have that opinion but because it relates to CS (who by the way, read my posts and you will see my opinions of him) and I assume because I am an Aussie you (and others) decide that this is a fan boy approach. If this is all it takes to be a fan boy in your opinion so be it but really, look at the full context of the post, take off the anti-CS glasses and see what it said.

I will say also that I have no physics qualifications, nor did I go to university, nor do I have any formal qualifications but have been riding bikes for 25 or so years, watching or involved in racing for a great number of those years so do know a thing or two in that regard.

Ah well, till next debate where one of my commenst causes people to steer off-track.





Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 14 2008, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With respects.

I wear full gloves with finger protection and can say that it hurts like hell when I have been hit by rocks, bugs etc so you can feel it and it can be painful. I am also aware of a rider in an Australian club race who broke two fingers when struck by a piece of rubber flung up by the bike in front whilst coming down the main straight at Eastern Creek. So it can hurt.

As for not knowing what the object was, it isn't his responsibility to know every detail of the machine nor what every component that is tacked on is about. But, he should have an idea of where the camera is placed in the event that something does go awry. But to pull it out and throw it away may not have been possible at the speeds nor mid race so he needed to find an alternative which was to try to place 'it somewhere out of the way', which failed.




Garry
actually mate it was this post !
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 16 2008, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>actually mate it was this post !


How?

Now I am confused as that was a direct reply to BikerGirls and was only intended to say that getting hit can hurt as well as provide examples. Geez, are you saying that people took and ran with that?

Ah well, I guess some will grab anything for the sake of debate





Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 16 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How?

Now I am confused as that was a direct reply to BikerGirls and was only intended to say that getting hit can hurt as well as provide examples. Geez, are you saying that people took and ran with that?

Ah well, I guess some will grab anything for the sake of debate
No Gaz, but its a very common mistake for people to misinterpret your meaning. It was obvious to me what you meant, (this is why I didn’t respond) but to some, it sounded like you meant to correlate the scenarios where a stationary object (or one flying in the wind) hit the rider (or should I say the rider struck the object). It is here where the deviations to the discussion took off. What wasn't getting through was that regardless that the object was attached to the bike and dangling (hence both traveling at the same speed, some here used "velocity”) was compared to something not attached, and making correlations. And even more erroneous was the suggestion that an object dangling wouldn’t be subject to great forces causing potential harm (at least distraction). So no, its not a matter of "people grabbing anything" but rather people grabbing something that is NOT the reality of what happened and then trying to make sense or incorrect correlations. (Aside from just trying to poke fun at him for sounding like a little ....., which I would say is equally fun and wish I might have taken this route, but couldn't resist jumping on BC & RM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 17 2008, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So no, its not a matter of "people grabbing anything" but rather people grabbing something that is NOT the reality of what happened and then trying to make sense or incorrect correlations. (Aside from just trying to poke fun at him for sounding like a little ....., which I would say is equally fun and wish I might have taken this route, but couldn't resist jumping on BC & RM
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LOL

I know who grabs somthing that is NOT the reality of what happened and make incorrect correlations, and I know who are trying to poke fun at others. At the same time making the incorrest correlations I might add.

I guess you two are buddies now?
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Finaly, what really made this into a case are those trying to make fun of BG who only stated the obvious: You cannot compare the damage of a flapping lightweight box (losely) attached to the bike and an object you hit with the relative speed of 200km/h, especially not when we are talking about high desety objects like stone and rubber.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 16 2008, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's assuming that there's not some characteristic frequency of the flow around the bike that the box is being driven by. The box isn't sitting in some pristine wind tunnel isolated from everything but itself.
Exactly, it's not in a wind tunnel and that flow and turbulence will change for every single mph change in speed, any wind, any change in direction. All this adding up to a very random turbulent flow, partly behind handlebars and windscreen, making any kind of stable frequncy at any order for any period of time less likely than me walking on the moon.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 16 2008, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One thing I can always count on you, is you're very predictable--predictably wrong! I know that these are the two scenarios, but one of them was what actually happened (which is what I've been talking about, but that you missed). This is why I said; the morons bring up the "stationary" scenario. Yes I am aware she disputed in part, but then made the mistake of saying the forces were "negligible" and the "experience equivalent to having the thing flapping ...as if both elements are stationary" Notice the word that BikerGirl used here? She said its "EQUIVALENT" to having the thing flapping as if were both "SATIONARY". That what I disputed little buddy.

Next time you try to quote try not to leave out the all important things. Should make it even easier as you just cut and paste once instead of intentionally leaving out parts that give the whole a full and logic meaning. Soemthing your rambeling totally lack.
It could have been given a better visual discription but I guss she just tried to dumb it down to your technical level. At least that make a lot of sense allthough even that was obvious not enough
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Anybody see that mythbusters where they fired that tire shred at 45mph through that windshield and it decapitated the head of that dumby. That happened to my wifes friend, no decapitation, but she died.

Hey, I thought it would bring some insight to what happened to Stoner
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 16 2008, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How?

Now I am confused as that was a direct reply to BikerGirls and was only intended to say that getting hit can hurt as well as provide examples. Geez, are you saying that people took and ran with that?

Ah well, I guess some will grab anything for the sake of debate
Garry
Sorry for my contribution to the thread about me going to university which was ego-driven and irrelevant. Contributions from people like you with real experience at riding on a track at speeds greater than 200kmh are very valuable to the ignorant like me and your basic point, that things becoming detached or semi-detached from a bike at such speeds is not to be taken lightly, is surely correct. Presumably most people riding on the road would just stop riding at least at anything resembling a high speed in such an eventuality.

Wave forms etc at high speed is way beyond the basic physics I did many years ago but I know we have engineers and the like on the board including babelfish who can make an informed comment. I think yamaka is an aeronautical engineer.
 
I have a GCSE & a degree in English. A GCSE, B-TECH & degree in Media & Communication/film studies, & a GCSE in psychology. A crappy little OCN in video editing, & a City N' Guilds in IT.

Is this not the CV thread?...sorry.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Apr 17 2008, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry for my contribution to the thread about me going to university which was ego-driven and irrelevant. Contributions from people like you with real experience at riding on a track at speeds greater than 200kmh are very valuable to the ignorant like me, and your basic point that things becoming detached or semi-detached from a bike at such speeds is not to be taken lightly, is surely correct. Presumably most people riding on the road would just stop riding at least at anything resembling a high speed in such an eventuality.

Wave forms etc at high speed is way beyond the basic physics I did many years ago but I know we have engineers and the like on the board including babelfish who can make an informed comment. I think yamaka is an aeronautical engineer.


Michael,

Where did I say something that seems to have gotten up your nose so much or makes you feel taht I have called you ignorant (personally I quite enjoy your level headed posts)?

So let me state here and now, I have never raced a bike (didn't say I have), but I have worked around racing motorcycles as an official for a number of years, known races for longer and watched as soon as I saw it on the tv back in the early 70's.

I have 25 or so years of road riding so am more than aware that somthing flapping around can cause distractions and unfortunately on the road, distractions often lead to accidents (seen plenty of damage from those as well).

If you have gotten qualifications, congratulations and I d hope that you have used these qualifications to good effect in either your personal or professional life and just because you mentioned these I do not find it 'ego driven'. Nor is it ego driven if others mention their qualifications, but if they then try to use that qualification in a demeaning way then to me it becomes ego driven (and I am not saying that it occurred).

Being honest while I found the physics arguments 'interesting' and I do understand the basics, much of what was said made my head hurt as it is not a subject in which I have an interest. But that does not mean that I didn't try to understand (although I struggle) nor that I don't appreciate the efforts of those that contributed to the discussion/debate.

Obviously something I types has been misunderstood by yourself (and maybe others) and if so then apologies but really, there is no reason to feel that anything I have typed was an attack on any individual (I save that for special occasions).



Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 17 2008, 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Michael,

Where did I say something that seems to have gotten up your nose so much or makes you feel taht I have called you ignorant (personally I quite enjoy your level headed posts)?

So let me state here and now, I have never raced a bike (didn't say I have), but I have worked around racing motorcycles as an official for a number of years, known races for longer and watched as soon as I saw it on the tv back in the early 70's.

I have 25 or so years of road riding so am more than aware that somthing flapping around can cause distractions and unfortunately on the road, distractions often lead to accidents (seen plenty of damage from those as well).

If you have gotten qualifications, congratulations and I d hope that you have used these qualifications to good effect in either your personal or professional life and just because you mentioned these I do not find it 'ego driven'. Nor is it ego driven if others mention their qualifications, but if they then try to use that qualification in a demeaning way then to me it becomes ego driven (and I am not saying that it occurred).

Being honest while I found the physics arguments 'interesting' and I do understand the basics, much of what was said made my head hurt as it is not a subject in which I have an interest. But that does not mean that I didn't try to understand (although I struggle) nor that I don't appreciate the efforts of those that contributed to the discussion/debate.

bviously something I types has been misunderstood by yourself (and maybe others) and if so then apologies but really, there is no reason to feel that anything I have ypes was an attack on any individual (I save that for special occasions).
Garry
No worries garry. You didn't get up my nose at all, and I didn't think I specifically had gotten up your nose much.

I really just meant to agree with you that it was strange that a simple comment had caused such a storm of posts, but I guess the exploration of the trivial and arcane is why we obssessed motogp fans participate in the site.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Apr 17 2008, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have a GCSE & a degree in English. A GCSE, B-TECH & degree in Media & Communication/film studies, & a GCSE in psychology. A crappy little OCN in video editing, & a City N' Guilds in IT.

Is this not the CV thread?...sorry.


Honest question here as someone who hasn't further education.

Are these type of quals globally recognised (ie. called the same in each country) and therefore mean the same or does it vary.

For example, is a Batchelor of Arts in Oz, say the same in UK etc?






Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 16 2008, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>(I save that for special occasions).
Group hug everybody.
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Barry, Pinkys, & Babel, you're not invited.
 
Gee you folk!! ..

Get a small PCB with a few components on it hanging off a foot of cable .... then drive along the freeway at say 150mph with it flapping in the breeze ....... now how was it? ......

Its a crazy argument anyone saying it was "no incident" has never been in a "no loose articles" situation ........ I would have thought GP speeds rendered it pretty .... no loose articles ..... matter of fact I'm a bit surprised they didn't get a bit of stick from the scrutineers/officials over it.

Oh and Rog ... i don't think Stoner even bothered to reattach it did he? .... looked like he just threw it back inside the fairing to me??
 

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