a whine from stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Apr 14 2008, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with the part that it would have been distracting. But painful is just ridiculous. It was a tiny thing and these guys wear protection which is supposed to keep them safe at high speed spills so I doubt pain was an issue.
What I did hear him say on a post race interview was that it was interfering with his clutching as it kept getting in the way, which, admittedly, is an unacceptable condition to race in. He also admitted he hadn't the remotest clue as to what it was. Also, in my opinion, unacceptable.
Still, as others have mentioned, it was a convenient thing to be able to point a finger at otherwise he'd have had to turn it on himself (not going to happen) or Ducati (end of honeymoon) as it was pretty clear he was getting nowhere all weekend.


With respects.

I wear full gloves with finger protection and can say that it hurts like hell when I have been hit by rocks, bugs etc so you can feel it and it can be painful. I am also aware of a rider in an Australian club race who broke two fingers when struck by a piece of rubber flung up by the bike in front whilst coming down the main straight at Eastern Creek. So it can hurt.

As for not knowing what the object was, it isn't his responsibility to know every detail of the machine nor what every component that is tacked on is about. But, he should have an idea of where the camera is placed in the event that something does go awry. But to pull it out and throw it away may not have been possible at the speeds nor mid race so he needed to find an alternative which was to try to place 'it somewhere out of the way', which failed.




Garry

Its not really acceptable for this to happen but can we confirm if it was Dorna's responsibility to secure the item or the teams?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 14 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its not really acceptable for this to happen but can we confirm if it was Dorna's responsibility to secure the item or the teams?
good question. i would have thought dorna supply the gizmo and ducati engineers fit it. but who knows ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 14 2008, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>good question. i would have thought dorna supply the gizmo and ducati engineers fit it. but who knows ?

No idea but i would also expect a red shirted guy to be responsible for making sure everything is tight and secure.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 14 2008, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With respects.

I wear full gloves with finger protection and can say that it hurts like hell when I have been hit by rocks, bugs etc so you can feel it and it can be painful. I am also aware of a rider in an Australian club race who broke two fingers when struck by a piece of rubber flung up by the bike in front whilst coming down the main straight at Eastern Creek. So it can hurt.

With utmost respects back to you.
Being hit by something that you are travelling into, such as a flung up rock etc which is stationary vs your direction of travel or worse still coming towards you (ie where total velocities would be additive)is one thing. Being hit by a flapping object travelling in same direction and at same forward velocity (as in the case of a flapping bit of your own bike), the element of forward speed should according to all rules of physics be negligible, rendering the experience equivalent to having the thing flapping onto your hand as if both elements are stationary (except the flapping motion) ie as already specified, distracting but not painful.
It's all relative.

I think Stoner has a legitimate concern here and is NOT whining. If anything, it’s a bit of an explanation as to why he may have lost some time. At least this one was something the world could see rather than those phantom excuses I've read from other riders. However, those two crashes at the front helped, so I'd say the whole thing evened out.



BTW, to say he could just rip it out, or it wasn't interfering mechanically, or it wasn't potentially painful and detrimentally distracting, just shows more about what you do NOT know about riding a bike at that speed in a significant competition.

Congrates on 3000 posts Jumkie.

I bet that was distracting, and it was enough of a distraction that it affected him. You are supposed to block out all distractions, and if that affected him, it means this was huge and should be dealt with by Dorna and Ducati.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Apr 15 2008, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With utmost respects back to you.
Being hit by something that you are travelling into, such as a flung up rock etc which is stationary vs your direction of travel or worse still coming towards you (ie where total velocities would be additive)is one thing. Being hit by a flapping object travelling in same direction and at same forward velocity (as in the case of a flapping bit of your own bike), the element of forward speed should according to all rules of physics be negligible, rendering the experience equivalent to having the thing flapping onto your hand as if both elements are stationary (except the flapping motion) ie as already specified, distracting but not painful.
It's all relative.
But the bike and rider are travelling at speeds of more than 300 km/h in some places, so the object is subject to hitting the air and being flung around at those speeds.

Ripping the thing off would not be a good idea. We sometimes see the onboard data displayed on the screen. We see rpm, gear position etc, which must be taken from the bikes systems. Tampering with something connected with all that could have dire consequences.

Placement and securing the cams would go something like this, at a guess.
Dorna; "We would like to place a cam here."
Bike Tech; "No, you can't put it there as it will interfere with this."
Dorna; "OK. How about here?"
Bike Tech; "That should be OK, how can we secure it?"
Dorna; "Perhaps like this."
Bike Tech; "That will probably work."

But it didn't.


Be interesting to get the full story about the responsibilities though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 14 2008, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Congrates on 3000 posts Jumkie.
Haha, I wouldn't have noticed unless you pointed it out. I've posted in the hall of fame. Thanks man!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 14 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its not really acceptable for this to happen but can we confirm if it was Dorna's responsibility to secure the item or the teams?There was something on the BBC about this last year. & If I remember it correctly, two technicians from the company that supply the new digital cameras fit them to the bikes.

Not Dorna.

Casey was 7th again in testing today.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Apr 14 2008, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With utmost respects back to you.
Being hit by something that you are travelling into, such as a flung up rock etc which is stationary vs your direction of travel or worse still coming towards you (ie where total velocities would be additive)is one thing. Being hit by a flapping object travelling in same direction and at same forward velocity (as in the case of a flapping bit of your own bike), the element of forward speed should according to all rules of physics be negligible, rendering the experience equivalent to having the thing flapping onto your hand as if both elements are stationary (except the flapping motion) ie as already specified, distracting but not painful.
It's all relative.You are full of .... Girl.

Here do this; tie a small sharp rectangular object (like the camera) made of ABS plastic strong enough to house a lens to the side of your car, then get out on the highway and do about 150-180mph (borrow your friends shinny new Porsche). Then check out the paint on the side of your car where the object was dangling. Get the picture? You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that this .... can hit your hand and cause at very least some discomfort.

With all due respect of course…

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 14 2008, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are full of .... Girl.

Here do this; tie a small sharp rectangular object (like the camera) made of ABS plastic strong enough to house a lens to the side of your car, then get out on the highway and do about 150-180mph (borrow your friends shinny new Porsche). Then check out the paint on the side of your car where the object was dangling. Get the picture? You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that this .... can hit your hand and cause at very least some discomfort.

With all due respect of course…

Something like this hit you in the hand, it might glance off your hand or face, but not after breaking a few bones. That is one thing you fear the most on a race track. Something coming up and hitting you is one of the most dangerous things on the planet. And at 150 mph it is like a rock coming at you. If you were behind Casey and that came off, with you both going 150, that is a 300 mile per hour impact. That is sickening. Added that fact that this is pretty much a small rock. Gravel kicked up from the runoffs is bad enough, have something 100 times the weight come at you, it is very dangerous.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Apr 14 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I presume you mean hopkins whom I think he would have had some chance of catching given that he got down to 1:37s ; stoner may have slowed down himself in the last few laps when he realised there was no chance of catching hopkins. I don't think catching edwards could ever have been in prospect, nor hayden or dovi if they hadn't crashed.
Edited my post to correct my stupidity. Just not used to seeing Colin so close to the podium

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 14 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are full of .... Girl.

Here do this; tie a small sharp rectangular object (like the camera) made of ABS plastic strong enough to house a lens to the side of your car, then get out on the highway and do about 150-180mph (borrow your friends shinny new Porsche). Then check out the paint on the side of your car where the object was dangling. Get the picture? You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that this .... can hit your hand and cause at very least some discomfort.

With all due respect of course…
Too true. The bracket holding the drivers side front indicator on my Skyline broke whilst I was overtaking at about 150km/h (ie slow in comparison). It held on by the wires long enough to bash several shades of .... out of the front wing before departing. It was lucky I was overtaking though, 'cos it ended up in the grass on the RHS of the road. Went back for it and it wasn't broken. Hate to think how much damage it could have done if there had been a car travelling behind me though....

BTW, it's a 1993 R32 GTS imported from Japan to Oz in 2001, so not exactly a loads-a-money car. Bloody good fun to drive though

With all due respect, the box was not at a stand still while Stoner came by and hit it, the box was traveling at the same speed as Stoner. The force of it hitting him would be that of what the wind pushing it would produce (I'm not sure what that is but it has to be significantly less than getting hit by a near stationary piece of gravel etc. as some have said). I'm not saying it wouldn't hurt, but it would be far less significant than getting hit by a pebble at speed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 15 2008, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With all due respect, the box was not at a stand still while Stoner came by and hit it, the box was traveling at the same speed as Stoner. The force of it hitting him would be that of what the wind pushing it would produce (I'm not sure what that is but it has to be significantly less than getting hit by a near stationary piece of gravel etc. as some have said). I'm not saying it wouldn't hurt, but it would be far less significant than getting hit by a pebble at speed.
Relative wind speed would be approx Stoners speed on the straights, ie 320 km/h (200mph). So this box is being flapped about by a force with higher wind speeds than your average hurricane. Hurricanes have been know to flatten whole villages.

Hurricane Catagories

And you reckon that won't hurt much.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 14 2008, 07:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hitting his hand and interfering with his clutch my aunt fanny.
it was dangling on the out side of the fairing and took all of a second to grab it and shove it in the fairing and how many seconds was he behind the winner
2 excuses in one ,
1. the dorna camera box
2. I didn't have a good feeling when there was a bit of water, well neither did anybody else mate.

they say proper racers always blame someone else

truth is stoner was slow all weekend due to everything other than himself. you stoner fans were slating rossi last year calling him a whinner and heres your boy crying like a ...... what you gota say now ,except barrymachine cos you no i dont read ya ..... ever.

He was quicker than Toseland


luv ya pacman

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Apr 14 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Relative wind speed would be approx Stoners speed on the straights, ie 320 km/h (200mph). So this box is being flapped about by a force with higher wind speeds than your average hurricane. Hurricanes have been know to flatten whole villages.

Hurricane Catagories

And you reckon that won't hurt much.
The force in which the box hits his hand is not equal to 200mph though. The box was connected to the motorcycle traveling at 200mph, Stoner's hand would also be traveling at 200mph, it is not stationary so the box would not be hitting him at that force. The force in which Stoner would feel would be what force the box can create in its side to side flapping movement which would be considerably less than 200mph. It really isn't that complicated.

And as I said in the first place, I'm not arguing that it was painful, I'm arguing the force of the impact (if it even hit his hand, when I saw the box it was hanging outside his handlebars near where it says Ducati on the side fairing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 15 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The force in which the box hits his hand is not equal to 200mph though. The box was connected to the motorcycle traveling at 200mph, Stoner's hand would also be traveling at 200mph, it is not stationary so the box would not be hitting him at that force. The force in which Stoner would feel would be what force the box can create in its side to side flapping movement which would be considerably less than 200mph. It really isn't that complicated.

And as I said in the first place, I'm not arguing that it was painful, I'm arguing the force of the impact (if it even hit his hand, when I saw the box it was hanging outside his handlebars near where it says Ducati on the side fairing.


I think I'll "pass" on the letting you work on my bikes thanks

Its just plain dangerous and given that objects in the wind, hit the wind at all manners of angles .... we are dealing with vectors such as a sail experiences here ..... so for a tiny flat PCB flapping in the wind at such speeds ...... it could have become a projectile quite easily.

Just look what a chunk of light insulation material did to one of the shuttles.

But anyway I think the big problem was the actually mechanical obstruction he experienced .... ie the board lodges between the bars and the fairing or clutch and fairing at times ...... imagine that .... yuo are turning in and you lean and expect to turn the bars "X" amount and they are stuck

Spooky and dangerous.

The other thought I had was if it had dislodged on the straight and another rider copped it in the visor who knows what it would have done ....

i must say when stoner put the camera back in half way through the corner looked fucken amazing