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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 14 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are full of .... Girl.
Here do this; tie a small sharp rectangular object (like the camera) made of ABS plastic strong enough to house a lens to the side of your car, then get out on the highway and do about 150-180mph (borrow your friends shinny new Porsche). Then check out the paint on the side of your car where the object was dangling. Get the picture? You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that this .... can hit your hand and cause at very least some discomfort.
With all due respect of course…
i agree with bikergirl. besides from what i saw on tv the black box was hanging a good 6 inches down the outside of his fairing and nowhere near his dainty armoured clad gloved hand. even if he did loose a few seconds because of it its not like it would have made much difference to his finishing place. in fact he was gifted a couple of places so has .... all to moan about really.
Here do this; tie a small sharp rectangular object (like the camera) made of ABS plastic strong enough to house a lens to the side of your car, then get out on the highway and do about 150-180mph (borrow your friends shinny new Porsche). Then check out the paint on the side of your car where the object was dangling. Get the picture? You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that this .... can hit your hand and cause at very least some discomfort.
With all due respect of course…
i agree with bikergirl. besides from what i saw on tv the black box was hanging a good 6 inches down the outside of his fairing and nowhere near his dainty armoured clad gloved hand. even if he did loose a few seconds because of it its not like it would have made much difference to his finishing place. in fact he was gifted a couple of places so has .... all to moan about really.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 15 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree with bikergirl. besides from what i saw on tv the black box was hanging a good 6 inches down the outside of his fairing and nowhere near his dainty armoured clad gloved hand. even if he did loose a few seconds because of it its not like it would have made much difference to his finishing place. in fact he was gifted a couple of places so has .... all to moan about really.
He likes to moan, and who are you and I to deny his inalienable right to do so
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To be fair although I agree with bikergirl that pain and injury (to him at least; perhaps not to others if he actually had tossed the thing) were unlikely to be a concern as far as I know this was not his complaint. He said it got in the way, which I think is plausible. I do agree that it cost him at most one place; he arguably may have passed hopkins. Passing edwards, or dovi and hayden if they had not crashed would never have been in prospect; then again they shouldn't have crashed, should they? He didn't even at jerez despite giving himself ample opportunity.
He likes to moan, and who are you and I to deny his inalienable right to do so
To be fair although I agree with bikergirl that pain and injury (to him at least; perhaps not to others if he actually had tossed the thing) were unlikely to be a concern as far as I know this was not his complaint. He said it got in the way, which I think is plausible. I do agree that it cost him at most one place; he arguably may have passed hopkins. Passing edwards, or dovi and hayden if they had not crashed would never have been in prospect; then again they shouldn't have crashed, should they? He didn't even at jerez despite giving himself ample opportunity.
I think we all know the biggest problem this box caused Stoner was psychological, and i don't think any of us can justde him for being phased by it.
Also his pace was not great anyway and things didn't look much brighter for him without the trouble.
Also his pace was not great anyway and things didn't look much brighter for him without the trouble.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Apr 14 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Being hit by a flapping object travelling in same direction and at same forward velocity (as in the case of a flapping bit of your own bike), the element of forward speed should according to all rules of physics be negligible, rendering the experience equivalent to having the thing flapping onto your hand as if both elements are stationary (except the flapping motion) ie as already specified, distracting but not painful.
It's all relative.
Don't quit your day job. Sure, there isn't any difference in forward speed, but flapping alone can be damned powerful. There's an awful lot of forward velocity to drive some pretty powerful flapping.
It's all relative.
Don't quit your day job. Sure, there isn't any difference in forward speed, but flapping alone can be damned powerful. There's an awful lot of forward velocity to drive some pretty powerful flapping.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 15 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't quit your day job. Sure, there isn't any difference in forward speed, but flapping alone can be damned powerful. There's an awful lot of forward velocity to drive some pretty powerful flapping.
if it were flapping that hard surly it would have damaged the fairing. didn't look like it even scratched the paint. but as said in another post, casey didn't say it did hit/hurt him just it lost him time while shoving it back in the fairing.
if it were flapping that hard surly it would have damaged the fairing. didn't look like it even scratched the paint. but as said in another post, casey didn't say it did hit/hurt him just it lost him time while shoving it back in the fairing.
1. Stoner never claimed it caused him pain.
2. Ripping off was not an option, too dangerous to him and other riders.
3. He didn't know what it was. What kind of ........ is that? Captain has to know his ship.
4. Most importantly, he said that he needed to shove it in a spot but then the turbulence would just blow it back out. Did he finally get it into a stable spot when he started to slam down some pretty quick laps towards the end of the race?? Or was it still dangling and he just got used to it?
5. Nobody can rightly claim that if it had not been a hindrance that he would not have ben battling with Edwards, Hayden, and Dovi. Although his practice times appeared that he was off the pace. Coulda, woulda, shoulda...
6. Im glad this is happening, last year was just too perfet a season for Stoner. Now we are going to really see what he is made of when he is experiencing some adversity.
7. Let us also see what his fans are made of as well.
2. Ripping off was not an option, too dangerous to him and other riders.
3. He didn't know what it was. What kind of ........ is that? Captain has to know his ship.
4. Most importantly, he said that he needed to shove it in a spot but then the turbulence would just blow it back out. Did he finally get it into a stable spot when he started to slam down some pretty quick laps towards the end of the race?? Or was it still dangling and he just got used to it?
5. Nobody can rightly claim that if it had not been a hindrance that he would not have ben battling with Edwards, Hayden, and Dovi. Although his practice times appeared that he was off the pace. Coulda, woulda, shoulda...
6. Im glad this is happening, last year was just too perfet a season for Stoner. Now we are going to really see what he is made of when he is experiencing some adversity.
7. Let us also see what his fans are made of as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 15 2008, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't quit your day job.
I'm a physics graduate. And was always a consistent A student. It seems relativity is something that escapes most of you.
I'm a physics graduate. And was always a consistent A student. It seems relativity is something that escapes most of you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Apr 16 2008, 07:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm a physics graduate. And was always a consistent A student. It seems relativity is something that escapes most of you.
I am, theoretically at least, more qualified to comment about the pain and injury aspect; I did do some physics at university and I agreed with you.
I am, theoretically at least, more qualified to comment about the pain and injury aspect; I did do some physics at university and I agreed with you.
I don't think whether or it not was painful when it hit him is the main point, (although I do agree with Bikergirl on the physics involved), just that fact that it was flapping around must have been a hell of a distraction and I don't blame him for complaining about it.
Riders whining and making excuses about everything pisses me off as much as anyone, but I think Stoner has a fairly legitimate reason to complain this time.
Riders whining and making excuses about everything pisses me off as much as anyone, but I think Stoner has a fairly legitimate reason to complain this time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Apr 16 2008, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am, theoretically at least, more qualified to comment about the pain and injury aspect; I did do some physics at university and I agreed with you.
i know about pain and injury as well. my job is inflicting it. i also agreed with bikergirl .
i know about pain and injury as well. my job is inflicting it. i also agreed with bikergirl .
Here is what Kropotkin had to say on this matter;
"Then, an electronic control box, part of the on-board camera and GPS system supplied and maintained by Dorna for the TV feeds, broke free of its velcro moorings and started dangerously flapping about the Ducati's steering head and clutch, occasionally interfering with the clutch and, what's worse, with the steering lock."
I think Casey had every right to be pissed off about this. He wouldn't have won or even podiumed, but this didn't help his race at all!
"Then, an electronic control box, part of the on-board camera and GPS system supplied and maintained by Dorna for the TV feeds, broke free of its velcro moorings and started dangerously flapping about the Ducati's steering head and clutch, occasionally interfering with the clutch and, what's worse, with the steering lock."
I think Casey had every right to be pissed off about this. He wouldn't have won or even podiumed, but this didn't help his race at all!
Wow, I make a comment about the 'flapping object' being 'potentially painful' and we end up with a discussion relating to the relativity of physics and whether the speed of the object would have been sufficient to cause damage.
My comment was not relaying anything CS had said but from personal experience that objects striking a hand can well be painful, which may or may not have been the case in the CS situation.
That said and done, having now been able to sit down and watch a few replays the object was not really striking his hand but definitely would have been causing distraction but IMO did not cost him any points in the race.
I bet though that the unit/object is secured with every manner of methods on CS' bike and others next time.
Garry
My comment was not relaying anything CS had said but from personal experience that objects striking a hand can well be painful, which may or may not have been the case in the CS situation.
That said and done, having now been able to sit down and watch a few replays the object was not really striking his hand but definitely would have been causing distraction but IMO did not cost him any points in the race.
I bet though that the unit/object is secured with every manner of methods on CS' bike and others next time.
Garry
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at the 4 minute mark here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGW4ZsqCt58...feature=related
fun to watch ....
I love the look on the Bridgestone guys face when they show it ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGW4ZsqCt58...feature=related
fun to watch ....
I love the look on the Bridgestone guys face when they show it ....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Apr 16 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow, I make a comment about the 'flapping object' being 'potentially painful' and we end up with a discussion relating to the relativity of physics and whether the speed of the object would have been sufficient to cause damage.
My comment was not relaying anything CS had said but from personal experience that objects striking a hand can well be painful, which may or may not have been the case in the CS situation.
Garry
So it had nothing to so with CS, you jsut felt obligated to tell about urelated incidents, although it finally may or may not be related to CS' situation?
The only propper response to this, and probably more related to the Casey incident:
I like ham
My comment was not relaying anything CS had said but from personal experience that objects striking a hand can well be painful, which may or may not have been the case in the CS situation.
Garry
So it had nothing to so with CS, you jsut felt obligated to tell about urelated incidents, although it finally may or may not be related to CS' situation?
The only propper response to this, and probably more related to the Casey incident:
I like ham
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Apr 16 2008, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think whether or it not was painful when it hit him is the main point, (although I do agree with Bikergirl on the physics involved), just that fact that it was flapping around must have been a hell of a distraction and I don't blame him for complaining about it.
Riders whining and making excuses about everything pisses me off as much as anyone, but I think Stoner has a fairly legitimate reason to complain this time.
Like you I agreed by implication anyway with biker girl's physics;I agree with you he had reasonable justification for complaint otherwise.
Riders whining and making excuses about everything pisses me off as much as anyone, but I think Stoner has a fairly legitimate reason to complain this time.
Like you I agreed by implication anyway with biker girl's physics;I agree with you he had reasonable justification for complaint otherwise.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 16 2008, 05:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>at the 4 minute mark here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGW4ZsqCt58...feature=related
fun to watch ....
I love the look on the Bridgestone guys face when they show it ....
Your link sucks. What was it about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGW4ZsqCt58...feature=related
fun to watch ....
I love the look on the Bridgestone guys face when they show it ....
Your link sucks. What was it about?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 16 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like ham
I like bacon and cheese toasties. Mmmmmmm........god I can't stop eating!!!
I like bacon and cheese toasties. Mmmmmmm........god I can't stop eating!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Apr 17 2008, 01:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your link sucks. What was it about?
Gee they pulled that fast!!
It was a French coverage of the GP and showed a zoomed replay of the part flapping about and Stoners mid corner reparations.
I have noticed Motogp/Dorna must be getting onto the clandestine gp posters pretty fast these days
Gee they pulled that fast!!
It was a French coverage of the GP and showed a zoomed replay of the part flapping about and Stoners mid corner reparations.
I have noticed Motogp/Dorna must be getting onto the clandestine gp posters pretty fast these days
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Apr 14 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Being hit by a flapping object travelling in same direction and at same forward velocity (as in the case of a flapping bit of your own bike), the element of forward speed should according to all rules of physics be negligible, rendering the experience equivalent to having the thing flapping onto your hand as if both elements are stationary (except the flapping motion) ie as already specified, distracting but not painful.
It's all relative.
Who ever agrees with this should go back to school and learn elementary physics. The issue is NOT the "forward velocity" but rather the force of wind flapping the thing around.
I already gave you guys a great example, but here is another one. Take your car out to 200mph. Put on a necklace around your neck with one of those medallions rappers like to wear, and then stick your head out the window while holding the chain in front of you. Tell me something; are you and the car traveling at about the same speed (velocity)? Yes. But does the fuking medallion have the potential of flapping & slapping the .... out of your face? Yes. Would you consider this "negligible" and the "experience equivalent to having the thing flapping ...as if both elements are stationary"? .... NO.
Thank God you don't work for NASA! (with all due respect...of course)
It's all relative.
Who ever agrees with this should go back to school and learn elementary physics. The issue is NOT the "forward velocity" but rather the force of wind flapping the thing around.
I already gave you guys a great example, but here is another one. Take your car out to 200mph. Put on a necklace around your neck with one of those medallions rappers like to wear, and then stick your head out the window while holding the chain in front of you. Tell me something; are you and the car traveling at about the same speed (velocity)? Yes. But does the fuking medallion have the potential of flapping & slapping the .... out of your face? Yes. Would you consider this "negligible" and the "experience equivalent to having the thing flapping ...as if both elements are stationary"? .... NO.
Thank God you don't work for NASA! (with all due respect...of course)
