2024 season by math's

mikesbytes · Monday at 11:09 PM

Anyone interested in playing with numbers with this years results?

Here's one, 1st rule of racing to beat your teammate but what about beating your teammate by double the number of points ie a factor of 2. But which rider beat their teammate by the highest factor and which teammates had the most similar results?

Factor	Team	1st Rider	2nd Rider
8	Red Bull GASGAS Tech3 (RC16)	Pedro Acosta	Augusto Fernandez
3.6	Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)	Fabio Quartararo	Alex Rins
2.9	Prima Pramac Racing (GP24)	Jorge Martin	Franco Morbidelli
2.5	Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16)	Brad Binder	Jack Miller
2.3	Gresini Racing MotoGP (GP23)	Marc Marquez	Alex Marquez
1.8	CASTROL Honda LCR (RC213V)	Johann Zarco	Takaaki Nakagami
1.5	Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)	Joan Mir	Luca Marini
1.3	Ducati Lenovo Team (GP24)	Francesco Bagnaia	Enea Bastianini
1.2	Aprilia Racing (RS-GP24)	Maverick Vinales	Aleix Espargaro
1.1	Pertamina Enduro VR46 Racing (GP23)	Fabio di Giannantonio	Marco Bezzecchi
1.1	Trackhouse Racing (RS-GP24)	Miguel Oliveira	Raul Fernandez

Sennas_Caress · 2024-11-19T01:06:45-0800

And there you have your best riders on the current grid - Acosta, Quartararo, Martin and Binder. Marc isn't doing bad either.

p4p1 · 2024-11-19T20:54:56-0800

Considering that DiGi missed 3 races and 3 sprints, Bezz really should have beat him comfortably rather than being behind.
I know that the Hondas weren't often in the points but Mir crashing out of 9 GPs and I don't know how many sprints should have seen Marini finish ahead of him comfortably.
Oliveira missing 25% of the races shows that R Fernadez did a pretty bad job and is probably a tad lucky to have a ride next season.

mikesbytes · 2024-11-19T21:06:29-0800

Yeh the math's doesn't take into account how often a rider crashes and we see that clearly in the top 2 this year.

Marini may well of crashed less than Mir but finishing outside of the points doesn't work either.

AnnoyingTwit · 2024-11-20T01:27:43-0800

Sennas_Caress said:
And there you have your best riders on the current grid - Acosta, Quartararo, Martin and Binder. Marc isn't doing bad either.

It's very interesting to see the table, but I don't think we can go from there to whom are the best riders as a list. It depends on the second rider in the team. The Ducati Factory team had both riders in the championship fight for quite some time, while that doesn't apply to any other team. Hence, Bagnaia being down the list could say that Bagnaia isn't as good as other riders, or that Bastianini is better than other 'second' riders, or a combination of the two.

mikesbytes · 2024-11-20T03:17:38-0800

Have Honda and Yamaha benefited from the testing rules etc? The graph below is the best combined sprint/race results by a rider per manufacturer with Ducati split to GP24 and GP23.

Looking at the graph it looks like Yamaha and Honda have only slightly progressed more than the others during the season, not enough to claim real progress. What the graph might show is that KTM and Aprilia have lost a little ground over Ducati.

AnnoyingTwit · 2024-11-20T04:32:06-0800

The thing I find a bit concerning about the above graph in terms of what it means for Yamaha and Honda, is that there has been some progress but there is still a long way to go. It's always the case that a new, or recovering, manufacturer finds it easiest to catch up to a dominant manufacturer when the new (and recovering) manufacturer is a long way behind. As the gap gets smaller, it gets harder to catch up. Yamaha and Honda may, given their concessions, budgets, and hopefully motivation, be able to catch up a lot and perhaps equal KTM and Aprilia. But, then crossing that smaller gap to catch Ducati becomes much harder.

I wonder if Ducati's dominance will only be ended by Ducati making a significant wrong turn or something going wrong with the team. As in Formula One with Mercedes, then Red Bull, and others before them.

Sennas_Caress · 2024-11-20T05:57:26-0800

The graphs are nice to have. The stopwatch though is the one that will show you the progress more clearly.
The difference between quali and race trim is the litmus test.

Ducati had already an unsurmountable lead in development when the new rules came into place.
Restricting their testing will not show until earliest 26, and with the new format introduced in 27, we can't see it on track for a long while.

You can also add to the equation the number of world champions on the Ducati, and you'll be looking at an even longer domination for those Bologna bullets

mikesbytes · 2024-11-20T15:05:27-0800

In this case the number of world champions remained the same during the year, what I was looking for was to see if Honda and Yamaha had made better progress than the other manufacturers during the year and while the graph is hard to read it looks like the progress is small. I didn't anticipate seeing a decline from Aprilia and KTM. However it should be noted that there aren't enough data samples to get real meaning from it.

Any suggestions on other data analysis?

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