2023 Silverstone GP

Didn't he also crash into someone early on?

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MdubSTYLIE said:

Congrats goes out to Pecco who exceeding track limits on the last lap rule doesn't apply. Just like being punished for drunk driving. There is clear video of him on the green. Once again race direction only directs the direction of the race in favor of .........

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Surely KTM will protest

Aleix rode an amazing race. Aprilia definitely had the goods for Silverstone. The took the win, and had 3 riders in the top 5. I'm sure Pecco is disappointed, and knowing Ducati, they are sticking pins in his voodoo doll, even though he added to his lead at Silverstone. Binder got a much deserved podium.

Big picture, the Japanese manufacturers are in dire straits, and the European coup in MotoGP is generally unamusing. Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki didn't forget how to build bikes. The rules were changed such that they no longer want to build bikes. This is just 1968 all over again, and it's shameful. To be fair, the Japanese contingent did this to themselves by introducing the loathsome 800cc formula that was ill-conceived and fractured the existing power structure as the GFC took a bite out of the sport's finances. However, MotoGP's current trajectory is perilous, and headed down the same dead-end as F1, LMP, and other series.

There is nowhere for racing to go technologically speaking. Pushing for a new space race with active ride height and aero will merely lead the premier class towards clownish balancing formulas and carnival sideshows like DRS. This formula needs to be nipped in the bud now. By 2027 too much damage will have been done to the sport.

There was some doubt whether Francesco Bagnaia exceeded track limits at the British MotoGP at Silverstone.

Reigning MotoGP champion and the championship leader Bagnaia finished second, behind Aprilia’s Aleix Espargaro and ahead of KTM’s Brad Binder.

With Binder behind him on the last lap there was some initial questioning about Bagnaia remaining inside the track limits and therefore whether the result might be amended.

Bagnaia exceeded track limits? #BritishGP pic.twitter.com/V99zFW0wUM
— Crash MotoGP (@crash_motogp) August 6, 2023

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Binder was punished for similar at Assen in the last race before the summer break.
MotoGP Stewards confirmed afterwards: “No exceeded track limit - tyres were not touching the green as sensor was not triggered, verified by camera.”

Ducati also insisted the rule stipulates that track limits are only relevant if the rider behind is close enough to potentially overtake, which Binder was not.

KTM spoke to the stewards about the Bagnaia incident to find out if the result should relegate him one place, to behind Binder. But to no avail.

tl;dr: do you trust me or your lying eyes?

MichaelBolton said:

Explaining why Francesco Bagnaia was not out of track limits at British MotoGP

There was some doubt whether Francesco Bagnaia exceeded track limits at the British MotoGP at Silverstone.

www.crash.net

There was some doubt whether Francesco Bagnaia exceeded track limits at the British MotoGP at Silverstone.

Reigning MotoGP champion and the championship leader Bagnaia finished second, behind Aprilia’s Aleix Espargaro and ahead of KTM’s Brad Binder.

With Binder behind him on the last lap there was some initial questioning about Bagnaia remaining inside the track limits and therefore whether the result might be amended.

Binder was punished for similar at Assen in the last race before the summer break.
MotoGP Stewards confirmed afterwards: “No exceeded track limit - tyres were not touching the green as sensor was not triggered, verified by camera.”

Ducati also insisted the rule stipulates that track limits are only relevant if the rider behind is close enough to potentially overtake, which Binder was not.

KTM spoke to the stewards about the Bagnaia incident to find out if the result should relegate him one place, to behind Binder. But to no avail.

tl;dr: do you trust me or your lying eyes?

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in other words rules only apply to riders not named bagnaia.

Marc crashing out of races has become so common no one even picked up on it. About halfway through the race the commentators mentioned that he was as far from Bagnaia as the second best Honda was from him.
He actually lost the right front wing on lap one. He either did a great job (till the crash) overcoming the aero imbalance or the Honda aero is so inefficient the missing wing didn't matter.

It was actually a good race! Aleix pulled it off with authority. The tricky conditions must have made that 4 way battle at the front pretty nerve racking for those guys but they all stayed upright.

MM still hasn’t finished a full race. Fabio was making a valiant effort, I didn’t really see what happened.

On to the next, I’m glad the break is over.

I spotted M Marquez racing with a missing wing. A Marquez had a mechanical spoiling what was a potential podium, might of been the shifter. Quartararo lost the front of his faring but still managed to resume the race on the spare bike. Those who came into the pits to change to the wet bikes lost the gamble.

It's funny how quickly the broadcasting team and pundits fell in line with "he missed the sensor by mm".... It's like Ferrari/FIA in the Schumacher days.

MotoGP Stewards confirmed afterwards: “No exceeded track limit - tyres were not touching the green as sensor was not triggered, verified by camera.”

Barbedwirebikerr said:

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Fun fact, that Binder/Assen image is a screenshot from my phone. I posted it on the MotoGP facebook page and it went vial haha.

I dont go online much over the weekend, especially race weekends so here goes.

Sprint:
Great job by Alex, good to see him and Gresini get a win.

GP:
Entertaining race, especially with the rain at the end! If Aleix rode like that every race, he'd be multiple WC.
Gutted for Alex M, rare mechanical failure there.

Gutted for Marc, it's hard to see but it looks like he was avoiding the beast when he dropped it. Is there any other view except the onboard?
Did anyone see his pre-race interview too? When the interviewer said 'You are the best at these flag to flag conditions' and he replied 'I WAS the best'...I hope he was joking but that's not something you;d hear old Marc say. Now that it is unlikely he's got any other option than the Honda for 2024, is he somewhat resigned to his fate?

Pecco: Did anyone notice on lap 2 how he appeared to hit a boost button on the old start finish straight, ride around the outside of Marco, then out of copse powered past Miller like he was standing still?
Likewise, I didn't see Pecco get a wobble out of Copse on the last lap, yet Aleix powered by him easily.

Finally: AERO HAS TO GO. It's too easily damaged (see Marc and Fabio) and renders the bike almost unrideable. I'd also argue now that it is becoming a safety issue as it appears Bezzechi lost the front into Stowe because he lost downforce.

Ban aero and ban ride height devices. If they want innovation, allow unlimited engine cylinders for a start.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Whats the over under for Marc finishing the race? Will he finish over like a masive high side or under with a high speed low side?

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Well, the for GP, it was the latter.....

MdubSTYLIE said:

Congrats goes out to Pecco who exceeding track limits on the last lap rule doesn't apply. Just like being punished for drunk driving. There is clear video of him on the green. Once again race direction only directs the direction of the race in favor of .........

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This is why race direction has zero respect from the riders, or the fans.

MichaelBolton said:

Explaining why Francesco Bagnaia was not out of track limits at British MotoGP

There was some doubt whether Francesco Bagnaia exceeded track limits at the British MotoGP at Silverstone.

www.crash.net

There was some doubt whether Francesco Bagnaia exceeded track limits at the British MotoGP at Silverstone.

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Only if you were blind

MichaelBolton said:

Reigning MotoGP champion and the championship leader Bagnaia finished second, behind Aprilia’s Aleix Espargaro and ahead of KTM’s Brad Binder.

With Binder behind him on the last lap there was some initial questioning about Bagnaia remaining inside the track limits and therefore whether the result might be amended.

Binder was punished for similar at Assen in the last race before the summer break.
MotoGP Stewards confirmed afterwards: “No exceeded track limit - tyres were not touching the green as sensor was not triggered, verified by camera.”

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So are they using sensors, or the cameras? The cameras will not verify if the sensors triggered or not. Are they optical sensors or pressure sensors?

MichaelBolton said:

Ducati also insisted the rule stipulates that track limits are only relevant if the rider behind is close enough to potentially overtake, which Binder was not.

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This if ....... ........ frankly. They argued this case with Martin in Assen too.
*Edit* - I took a look at the FIM regulations (available online) and surprise surprise, NOWHERE does it say anything about a penalty only being applied if a rider is close enough behind to overtake:

In the case where the organisation has been unable to, or has decided not
to carry out the long lap penalty before the end of the race, the relevant
rider will be inflicted with an equivalent time penalty, or other penalty
applied as decided by the FIM MotoGP Stewards

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So Ducati are full of .....

A penalty is a penalty, irrespective of if it affects the race result or not. In F1 they have a 5 second time penalty. If it demotes them a position, then so be it. But still, if it doesn't, they get 5s added to their race time.
I'm trying to think of the best analogy but If I got done for speeding, and my argument was 'but I didn't cause an accident', they aren't going to withdraw my penalty. Likewise, when a LLP is issued there isn't a *Only to be taken if a rider is less than 1 second behind* caveat behind it.
I used to be a big Ducati fanboy, but this is another reason I don't like them anymore.

MichaelBolton said:

KTM spoke to the stewards about the Bagnaia incident to find out if the result should relegate him one place, to behind Binder. But to no avail.

tl;dr: do you trust me or your lying eyes?

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I have no words...