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gui22a said:
Yes, coward. Speed is just a question of getting used to. They are all human beings, not gods. I don't like this idea of calling some MotoGP riders as "aliens", this is ridiculous to say at least. They are not any special, and talent it's just a word that describes something that does not exists. I don't believe in ........ "natural talent", I believe in training and in brains capable of extract and process more information from that specific kind of training than others, just that. There is no such thing like "talent to ride a bike", there is indeed brains more or less capable to process activities that involve tasks ALSO used when riding a bike. All the rest is the environment providing ways, i.e., training, training, training... and yes, the guy has to have a life that provides him time and resources to train a lot.

There is no guarantee that the riders in MotoGP are the "most special" (and indeed they are not) since very few people have the opportunity to have their kind of life. There is a very, very highly probability that there could be a lot of riders much better than the average MotoGP rider over there if more people had the chance to follow their path at bike racing. There could be much more Marquezes, Rossis and Stoners, et al.
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...., If he's is a coward then what does that make you?
 
gui22a said:
Yes, coward. Speed is just a question of getting used to. They are all human beings, not gods. I don't like this idea of calling some MotoGP riders as "aliens", this is ridiculous to say at least. They are not any special, and talent it's just a word that describes something that does not exists. I don't believe in ........ "natural talent", I believe in training and in brains capable of extract and process more information from that specific kind of training than others, just that. There is no such thing like "talent to ride a bike", there is indeed brains more or less capable to process activities that involve tasks ALSO used when riding a bike. All the rest is the environment providing ways, i.e., training, training, training... and yes, the guy has to have a life that provides him time and resources to train a lot.

There is no guarantee that the riders in MotoGP are the "most special" (and indeed they are not) since very few people have the opportunity to have their kind of life. There is a very, very highly probability that there could be a lot of riders much better than the average MotoGP rider over there if more people had the chance to follow their path at bike racing. There could be much more Marquezes, Rossis and Stoners, et al.
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Sour grapes.
 
gui22a said:
Yes, coward. Speed is just a question of getting used to. They are all human beings, not gods. I don't like this idea of calling some MotoGP riders as "aliens", this is ridiculous to say at least. They are not any special, and talent it's just a word that describes something that does not exists. I don't believe in ........ "natural talent", I believe in training and in brains capable of extract and process more information from that specific kind of training than others, just that. There is no such thing like "talent to ride a bike", there is indeed brains more or less capable to process activities that involve tasks ALSO used when riding a bike. All the rest is the environment providing ways, i.e., training, training, training... and yes, the guy has to have a life that provides him time and resources to train a lot.

There is no guarantee that the riders in MotoGP are the "most special" (and indeed they are not) since very few people have the opportunity to have their kind of life. There is a very, very highly probability that there could be a lot of riders much better than the average MotoGP rider over there if more people had the chance to follow their path at bike racing. There could be much more Marquezes, Rossis and Stoners, et al.
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Dude on his couch calls dude who is one of the fastest guys in the world a coward. Lol.
 
gui22a said:
Yes, coward. Speed is just a question of getting used to. They are all human beings, not gods. I don't like this idea of calling some MotoGP riders as "aliens", this is ridiculous to say at least. They are not any special, and talent it's just a word that describes something that does not exists. I don't believe in ........ "natural talent", I believe in training and in brains capable of extract and process more information from that specific kind of training than others, just that. There is no such thing like "talent to ride a bike", there is indeed brains more or less capable to process activities that involve tasks ALSO used when riding a bike. All the rest is the environment providing ways, i.e., training, training, training... and yes, the guy has to have a life that provides him time and resources to train a lot.

There is no guarantee that the riders in MotoGP are the "most special" (and indeed they are not) since very few people have the opportunity to have their kind of life. There is a very, very highly probability that there could be a lot of riders much better than the average MotoGP rider over there if more people had the chance to follow their path at bike racing. There could be much more Marquezes, Rossis and Stoners, et al.
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Riiight . . . just matter of a little adustment. Have YOU ever been on a bike at anywhere near those kind of speeds? I raced AMA-CCS and WERA races for a bunch of years and rode all kinds of bikes including TZ 250s and liter bikes and trust me you never get blase about moving through the air at speeds over 150 Mph, never mind drafting riders and/or out-braking them at the end of a straight. You get better at it - but it never becomes a walk-in-the-park proposition. What you choose to "believe" is in this instance, bares no relationship to real world experience.

If you don't believe in natural talent, how do you explain Mozart composing his first symphony at age 5? Or Enrico Fermi who was building electrical motors at age 10 that surpassed those designed by men in their 50s with multiple degrees in engineering and physics? Or Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz who taught herself Latin, Greek and Nahuat (spoken language of the Aztecs) at age 8. Or Blaise Pascal who by age 12 invented his own terminology and independently discovered nearly all the geometric proofs of Euclid and at age 15 was was viewed by Rene Descartes as a respected contemporary.
 
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You say as if the motogp riders keep at over 300 km/h during the whole lap. It's just a couple of seconds, and not even at every circuit, and always at a straight line, hidden behind an acrylic bubble. Not that is basic math, it causes panic and strong sensations at first, and it takes some balls to speed up to 300 km/h, but getting used to it it's just a matter of training, I'd bet anyone here could handle it with sufficient time.

I have already explained my point, I will not repeat myself if some of you can't read a text not being a moron.

By the way, all motogp riders are videogame kids, little chickens, compared to isle of man TT racers. That kind of activity does indeed requires balls of steel.
 
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Keshav said:
Riiight . . . just matter of a little adustment. Have YOU ever been on a bike at anywhere near those kind of speeds? I raced AMA-CCS and WERA races for a bunch of years and rode all kinds of bikes including TZ 250s and liter bikes and trust me you never get blase about moving through the air at speeds over 150 Mph, never mind drafting riders and/or out-braking them at the end of a straight. You get better at it - but it never becomes a walk-in-the-park proposition. What you choose to "believe" is in this instance, bares no relationship to real world experience.

If you don't believe in natural talent, how do you explain Mozart composing his first symphony at age 5? Or Enrico Fermi who was building electrical motors at age 10 that surpassed those designed by men in their 50s with multiple degrees in engineering and physics? Or Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz who taught herself Latin, Greek and Nahuat (spoken language of the Aztecs) at age 8. Or Blaise Pascal who by age 12 invented his own terminology and independently discovered nearly all the geometric proofs of Euclid and at age 15 was was viewed by Rene Descartes as a respected contemporary.
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If Mozart hadn't the piano, what would he be? Probably an artist, painter, or whatever the task a right-side brain genius would become.

"Talent" is a term created by lazy and coward people to use as an excuse to not believe in themselves, so explaining their lack of success.
 
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gui22a said:
Yes, coward. Speed is just a question of getting used to. They are all human beings, not gods. I don't like this idea of calling some MotoGP riders as "aliens", this is ridiculous to say at least. They are not any special, and talent it's just a word that describes something that does not exists. I don't believe in ........ "natural talent", I believe in training and in brains capable of extract and process more information from that specific kind of training than others, just that. There is no such thing like "talent to ride a bike", there is indeed brains more or less capable to process activities that involve tasks ALSO used when riding a bike. All the rest is the environment providing ways, i.e., training, training, training... and yes, the guy has to have a life that provides him time and resources to train a lot.

There is no guarantee that the riders in MotoGP are the "most special" (and indeed they are not) since very few people have the opportunity to have their kind of life. There is a very, very highly probability that there could be a lot of riders much better than the average MotoGP rider over there if more people had the chance to follow their path at bike racing. There could be much more Marquezes, Rossis and Stoners, et al.
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Yes coward. Then you go one a wordy rant about talent that has .... all to do with cowardice.

While it is certainly probable that their are human beings out there who have a talent for an endeavour they have never been fortunate enough to try; It is just as certain that we humans DO have specific abilities which and us more suited, or naturally talented, to some activities more than others.

No matter how hard Pedro trained he was never gonna play basketball...
 
gui22a said:
You say as if the motogp riders keep at over 300 km/h during the whole lap. It's just a couple of seconds, and not even at every circuit, and always at a straight line, hidden behind an acrylic bubble. Not that is basic math, it causes panic and strong sensations at first, and it takes some balls to speed up to 300 km/h, but getting used to it it's just a matter of training, I'd bet anyone here could handle it with sufficient time.

I have already explained my point, I will not repeat myself if some of you can't read a text not being a moron.

By the way, all motogp riders are videogame kids, little chickens, compared to isle of man TT racers. That kind of activity does indeed requires balls of steel.
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Agree, total cowards, even the TT guys. None of them have the 'balls of steel' and 'true grit' required like yourself, to go to and online forum and give the world such a bold insight into just how embarrassingly simple they are.
 
gui22a said:
You say as if the motogp riders keep at over 300 km/h during the whole lap. It's just a couple of seconds, and not even at every circuit, and always at a straight line, hidden behind an acrylic bubble. Not that is basic math, it causes panic and strong sensations at first, and it takes some balls to speed up to 300 km/h, but getting used to it it's just a matter of training, I'd bet anyone here could handle it with sufficient time.

I have already explained my point, I will not repeat myself if some of you can't read a text not being a moron.

By the way, all motogp riders are videogame kids, little chickens, compared to isle of man TT racers. That kind of activity does indeed requires balls of steel.
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And yet here you are posting on a Motogp forum. To be perfectly honest I think your perspective on this disrespects all the motorcycle racers who have given their lives or limbs in pursuit of keeping you entertained. If you think the sport is so tame why even watch it?
 
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gui22a said:
"Talent" is a term created by lazy and coward people to use as an excuse to not believe in themselves, so explaining their lack of success.
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Have you ever competed? Have you ever competed with someone considered to be among the greatest at their sport? I have. Talent is real.
 
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Mick D said:
Have you ever competed? Have you ever competed with someone considered to be among the greatest at their sport? I have. Talent is real.
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It's the death defying sport of clinging to an absurd and indefensible notion with no regard for the likely outcome, ie becoming the object of communal scorn rather than admit to a faulty and illogical premise. His predecessors being Pinky, Shinya and Knockdown, he is vying for a place in the pantheon. For myself, I don't think he has the talent to make it to the podium, but if he practices enough...
 
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There is a whole movement in the western world, they denounce Freud and even Darwin. They think everyone is equal. These people are seriously confused. People may have equal rights in modern society, this doesn't make them equal. Yet, these confused people think of themselves as "progressive".
 
Segfault said:
There is a whole movement in the western world, they denounce Freud and even Darwin. They think everyone is equal. These people are seriously confused. People may have equal rights in modern society, this doesn't make them equal. Yet, these confused people think of themselves as "progressive".
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Yup. The ranks of the Holocaust deniers, anti-vaxers, flat earthers, and people who think the moon landing was faked seems to be growing every day.
 
I always (obviously being a Stoner fan) liked Shuehi Nakamoto’s assessment early in MM’s career, that MM had faster reflexes but Casey was a genius on a bike. Doubtless he would call MM a genius on a bike now as well. Of course you need hard work in addition, but you aren’t going to get there without fast reflexes and probably some innate genius as well. Hard to speed up your synapses if they are not particularly fast, or to gain innate genius by pure determination. Most people don’t have the innate talent including physiology the really top guys have, and while you can make the most of what you have I don’t believe you can develop what you don’t have in the first place, particularly elite reflexes and hand-eye co-ordination.
 
Talent is real. It’s crazy that people think it isn’t. It comes in different forms in different sports. It doesn’t matter how hard you work to be elite in any sport you need to have a degree of talent.

Jesus there’s guys like Ablett Snr who some of the Aussie members on her might remember who could just do things that nobody else could, because they just can. I remember when I was boxing as an 18 year old (I was fighting professionally by then)I got asked how I did or knew when to throw this short little left hand (I’m left handed) that seemed to never miss and always hurt guys when it landed. I didn’t know how to answer, I just did it, I knew when to do it without thinking. I could explain what I did when I really thought about it and ran how I did it through my mind but to me it was just something I did. I didn’t work on it, nobody taught me how to do it but it was arguably my most effective move. That was talent, obviously I didn’t have elite level talent but I was still pretty handy despite being lazy too much of the time.

Hard work beats talent but when talent works hard the grinder type of guy in any sport always gets found out.
 
p4p1 said:
Talent is real. It’s crazy that people think it isn’t. It comes in different forms in different sports. It doesn’t matter how hard you work to be elite in any sport you need to have a degree of talent.

Jesus there’s guys like AABBBLLLEETTTT! Snr who some of the Aussie members on her might remember who could just do things that nobody else could, because they just can. I remember when I was boxing as an 18 year old (I was fighting professionally by then)I got asked how I did or knew when to throw this short little left hand (I’m left handed) that seemed to never miss and always hurt guys when it landed. I didn’t know how to answer, I just did it, I knew when to do it without thinking. I could explain what I did when I really thought about it and ran how I did it through my mind but to me it was just something I did. I didn’t work on it, nobody taught me how to do it but it was arguably my most effective move. That was talent, obviously I didn’t have elite level talent but I was still pretty handy despite being lazy too much of the time.

Hard work beats talent but when talent works hard the grinder type of guy in any sport always gets found out.
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Ablett : definition. GOD.


I'm a Carlton man. Always preferred kernahan and diesel Williams.
 
Segfault said:
There is a whole movement in the western world, they denounce Freud and even Darwin. They think everyone is equal. These people are seriously confused. People may have equal rights in modern society, this doesn't make them equal. Yet, these confused people think of themselves as "progressive".
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Ever read Vonnegut's "Welcome To The Monkey House"? When new folks introduce themselves on the forum I most always use that phrase to greet them.:p
 
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Barbedwirebikerr said:
Ablett : definition. GOD.


I'm a Carlton man. Always preferred kernahan and diesel Williams.
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I only caught and remember the tail end of Abletts career and am not a Geelong supporter but the guy is the definition of natural, god given otherworldly talent.

My wife’s ex step father knew a couple of guys who were at Hawthorn back when Ablett had his short stint there and they said that from the moment he turned up he could do things nobody else on their team could. Leigh Matthews actually used to get to the ground early to watch him when he was as playing in the reserves. It must have been amazing to watch him when he was at his best during the 80s.
 

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