2014 Suzuki to be tested on Monday by Depuniet

3540721371530029

Well...no regarding the fuel, but yes, very meaningful indeed.  The meaning as I see it is to expose yet again the stupid arbitrary rules of MotoWWF.


 


 


This was my first reaction, but when you think about it a bit more, the cocks are Dorna inspired GP rules.  I've alway thought the fuel limits are stupid and counter to "prototype" grand prix racing competition.  And as much, when Dorna say they have done something for [insert reason here] you can bet they are deflecting from the real reason, not to mention the unintended consequences that a bit of follow through thought might have avoided.  Suzuki are not exactly the most committed factory; but then again, look at the commitment of Ducati and where its got them.  Suzuki have several problems, few stem from their ability to make a bike that will lap at a respectable pace, the issue is making it consistent, reliable, last a race distance and a season.  GP has become a competition of software...very ....... expensive software!  Oh but wait, the engine rules are a "cost saving" limit, right Dorna...except they have to spend a grip of money getting their bikes to make it to the end of the season on such a limit.  Kinda like the added "safety" of the 800s, which saw several riders get seriously hurt and a death to boot.  Dorna have placed many obstacles and hoops for Suzuki to jump through.  Supposedly some of the thinking is because in the past Dorna have been compelled to make concessions.  Yet, Suzuki have managed to assembled a bike with a 2nd tier rider which lapped within a second of the pace setter, that my friend is noteworthy.  Consider that Ducati were consistently 1.5+ off the pace, even with the Greatest of All Time riding it.  And frankly, today Duc are really not that much better after several years of development and top tier riders.  Suzuki done good, but Dorna still have a hard-on to make it difficult for them.  From limiting the grid entires to 24, proposing the current entires sell their slot for inflated value, to 20L of fuel to 5 engines per season (the most costly aspects I suppose), to Dorna issued ECU for their baby CRTS; yet, the CRTs get a special tire dispensation?  Some .... doesn't add up.  

Click to expand...

3540781371534980

They're cockteasers because I want to see another factory out there.


Non-rhetorical question: Who was it that said it was to be a 2014 bike? Hamamatsu? Was it an assumption by reporters or have Suzuki pushed the date out now they've seen the size of the mountain?

Click to expand...

3540781371534980

I don't know what software and ECU they were running so I wonder how much we can read into the lap times. I don't think Suzuki used Magneti Marelli on the GSV? Makes you wonder what they're running here.


... further, we don't know whether the bike was amped up to full-noise-empty-the-tank-in-5-laps compared with the fuel miserliness everyone else is most likely using at the test.


But, yeah, the times are promising thus far, but I wouldn't present my new bike for the first time with miser settings...

Click to expand...

3540831371537799

I'm with you, I wanted Suzuki to be in the grid for a few reasons.  One, I'd like to see who they would sign up.  Second, I'd like to see them, as ...... as a factory effort they have been historically, they would still embarrass Ducati (who I think needs to fold up and leave despite me being an avid brand Aficionado).  And three, Suzuki have been a staple in GP for many years, and I simply want to see the brand there competing.  And, I like the why the bike looks, its different.  No pretty but not ugly. Plus, I miss their umbrella girls.


 


<span style="font-size:14px;Mitsubishi electowizardry (used it last time they were in GP)


 


Actually they are calling their test bike some combination of letters and numbers, but I can't remember what it was though it wasn't GSV.  Something with an X1 (or some .... in it).  Sounded more like a moniker for some space rocket.

Click to expand...

3540721371530029

Well...no regarding the fuel, but yes, very meaningful indeed.  The meaning as I see it is to expose yet again the stupid arbitrary rules of MotoWWF.


 



 


This was my first reaction, but when you think about it a bit more, the cocks are Dorna inspired GP rules.  I've alway thought the fuel limits are stupid and counter to "prototype" grand prix racing competition.  And as much, when Dorna say they have done something for [insert reason here] you can bet they are deflecting from the real reason, not to mention the unintended consequences that a bit of follow through thought might have avoided.  Suzuki are not exactly the most committed factory; but then again, look at the commitment of Ducati and where its got them.  Suzuki have several problems, few stem from their ability to make a bike that will lap at a respectable pace, the issue is making it consistent, reliable, last a race distance and a season.  GP has become a competition of software...very ....... expensive software!  Oh but wait, the engine rules are a "cost saving" limit, right Dorna...except they have to spend a grip of money getting their bikes to make it to the end of the season on such a limit.  Kinda like the added "safety" of the 800s, which saw several riders get seriously hurt and a death to boot.  Dorna have placed many obstacles and hoops for Suzuki to jump through.  Supposedly some of the thinking is because in the past Dorna have been compelled to make concessions.  Yet, Suzuki have managed to assembled a bike with a 2nd tier rider which lapped within a second of the pace setter, that my friend is noteworthy.  Consider that Ducati were consistently 1.5+ off the pace, even with the Greatest of All Time riding it.  And frankly, today Duc are really not that much better after several years of development and top tier riders.  Suzuki done good, but Dorna still have a hard-on to make it difficult for them.  From limiting the grid entires to 24, proposing the current entires sell their slot for inflated value, to 20L of fuel to 5 engines per season (the most costly aspects I suppose), to Dorna issued ECU for their baby CRTS; yet, the CRTs get a special tire dispensation?  Some .... doesn't add up.  

Click to expand...

3540851371539730

Really?


Have fun with that, Suzuki. They'll be so long out of the game by the time they return...do they really think they can catch up with Yam/Hon inhouse or the spec ECU?

Click to expand...

3540861371539799

bluegreen, on 18 Jun 2013 - 09:14, said:

I like all this. My only thought is, everything I have read has told me MSMA is behind 20L and 5 engines? Regardless, the rules are ....... stupid and your post is bang on. I was really impressed with their pace until I started wondering about how much fuel they were using. The .... part is RDP was raving about how nice it felt, handled etc. I believe he even said it didn't really have any weak spots. This thing should be on the track. These rules are lame.

Click to expand...

354077" data-author="Bunyip

I think my green 14 is quite a good looking bike,especially now that it has yoshi slip-ons. I used to look at my old busa and could never find any beauty there. Good bike, but it was hideous!
If Pov has a 14 too, then he is an even better bloke than I thought.  

Click to expand...

3540861371539799

 

I like all this. My only thought is, everything I have read has told me MSMA is behind 20L and 5 engines? Regardless, the rules are ....... stupid and your post is bang on. I was really impressed with their pace until I started wondering about how much fuel they were using. The .... part is RDP was raving about how nice it felt, handled etc. I believe he even said it didn't really have any weak spots. This thing should be on the track. These rules are lame.

Click to expand...

3541311371583596

They want these rules because Gp is nothing but a testing ground for the scooter market. They want to win the marketshare race in that gargantuan industry by creating the most efficent and reliable scooter.


ZX 14 Is the ugliest motorcycle in existence. It looks like the Hindenburg had a baby with an 85 Ferrari Testarossa

Click to expand...

3541481371591200

They want these rules because they use the offset off emmisions however the .... you spell it against their gas guzzling sports cars so they fall below whatever the .... legislation they fall under to keep the company below the regs set by whoever the .... sets them.


Why do you think Audi bought Ducati.


To offset lamborghini.


If they sort the Duc out Bonus.


If not Sweet save a freeking fortune.


Win win situation for Audi.

Click to expand...

3541481371591200

They want these rules because they use the offset off emmisions however the .... you spell it against their gas guzzling sports cars so they fall below whatever the .... legislation they fall under to keep the company below the regs set by whoever the .... sets them.


Why do you think Audi bought Ducati.


To offset lamborghini.


If they sort the Duc out Bonus.


If not Sweet save a freeking fortune.


Win win situation for Audi.

Click to expand...

3541751371604490

 

Sorry, lil red, but the 130g CO2 fleet average only considers cars. Bikes would screw up the weight scales used to calculate the fleet average. Lambo can combine itself with VW or Seat or whomever and use the likes of the Up! to offset their ugly, overweight, .....-substitutes.


Volkswagen Group bought Ducati so Ferdy Piech could have a shiny toy to satify his ego.

Click to expand...

3540981371562352

 Im a big guy who was looking for a big sport bike, but everything that had the big block was fugly to me. The Eyeabuser was the most hideous looking thing ever, the Blackbird, meh, the early ZX12R with that goofy snorkel, nope. Then in 2002, Kawasaki made the bike i was looking for. Big power for my big ..., with the looks of a sport bike. I owned it within days after seeing pics on the internet. The 12R was simply a scale larger sport bike. 80000 miles and ten years later, it still brings a smile to my face. If you have the strength to throw that ..... around, it is an amazingly solid bike in the twisties. I burnt up a new set of BT003's this past weekend on our annual Fathers Day camp and ride weekend. No offense Bunny, but my next bike may be a 14 despite its looks. Its growing on me. Or, i might just go with a new Concours. I recently had surgery on both my wrists and the sport bike position  is becoming an issue at my age. Maybe a 14R with risers, yeaaaaa, thats the ticket. Anyway, im biased, but i think this is the best looking big block to date.

 

12R.jpg

Click to expand...

3541961371626648

 

So Julian Ryder talks out of his arse too!?

That's where I heard it.

Click to expand...

3542071371641378

I stand to be corrected, but I've not seen mention of motorbikes in the reports I've read.
Ask yourself why the likes of Daimler or JLR haven't bought some poxy little scooter company to offset their CO2? Got to be cheaper than re engineering their entire powertrains...
Or just look at what Aston Martin have done witb the vile Cygnet...

Click to expand...

3542171371647114

You know, that made me go and look at the legislation, and it all quite clearly uses the words "passenger cars". Very well spotted, Doctor.

Click to expand...

3542271371658149

I don't know a great deal about Euro vehicle pollutinon regulations, but if they are anything like US regulations, the regulations are not nearly as important as the exceptions and special credits. In the US, manufacturers can gain compliance by using special A/C refrigerants.

Click to expand...

3542271371658149

I don't know a great deal about Euro vehicle pollutinon regulations, but if they are anything like US regulations, the regulations are not nearly as important as the exceptions and special credits. In the US, manufacturers can gain compliance by using special A/C refrigerants.

Click to expand...

3542561371688215

I don't know about US standards. I find the mix of Federal, State, CARB, etc regulations baffling.


 In Australia, we are pretty much harmonised with the EU directives.


The thing you need to take note of is that the usual emissions standards (Euro 3 for bikes and Euro 5 for cars) don't actually places limts on CO2. "Only" CO, NOx, particulates, blah blah.


The legislation for a fleet average CO2 emissions is a separate regulation.


 


Further to the Ducati/Lamborghini discussion. If you go to the link Krop sent out, have a look at the pdf'd list of "Pooled Vehicles". Volkswagen Group have pooled everything....so Skodas will be offsetting Veyrons. But no mention of Ducati (unless it's hidden 'inside' Lamborghini...) But as Krop also wrote, the legislation only mentions passenger cars...

Click to expand...