Yamaha just lost the championship for Rossi!

'no motorsport will ever attain this kind of consistent battling at the front consistency! <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%what planet are u from! breakdowns, tire problems & the like HAPPEN! they always will & when it affects someone like yer man rossi yer just gonna have to bite the bullit & deal with it!'

i just personally would like to see all the racers trying to compete for the title throughout the season....

im not a friggin fool mate....i know how the sports works....

beleive it or not....but i also know that the bikes are NOT perfect....and that the teams will NEVER go through a whole season without problems with tyres or the weather or the engine or whatever!

and also.... i WOULD like every racer to finish the race....becasue then...the competition heats up...and with more competing for that championship....the racing gets even better than it already is.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Jul 29 2006, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...this was after some burnouts..

Here is a closeup:



I believe this was taken before the burnouts. It was up near the top of the corkscrew, where Nicky stopped, took off his helmet, and asked for a flag. If he did a burnout there, it was after he got the flag. His big burnout was on the straight, definitely after this was taken.

Steve Jones

Either way, Rossi's tyres were fcked, Hayden's obviously weren't during the race as his lap times were always consistent, menaing it never bothered him in the slightest.

Rossi isn't the only one that had pb with tyres at laguna seca...that was a resurfaced track ... that not all the team and bike adjust to it. Ducati had a terible week-end, Suzuki faded in the end and Kawasaki... also had pb.All this teams were on bridgestone tyre. But look at the difference in performance and bike behavior between suzuki and ducati...
That happened to Rossi and yamaha ... they couldn't delier the perfect packege and the bike damaged more the tyres.

here's a very cool link with a tyre compar....

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Jul/timtire.htm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Jul 31 2006, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>here's a very cool link with a tyre compar....

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Jul/timtire.htm

Thats a good link - those guys have to much time on their hands! lol

Interesting to see Colins rear also, near identical to Rossi's............perhaps they had some set-up issues which meant that they used more tire (can bike set-up do this?)

Not a spot on KR JR's bike. Yeah Ben I agree, Colin's and Valentino's rear wheels are both very bad and both have wear in the same places. Look identical.

Infact, I think Colin's is worse than Valentino's.

I read a blurb from Colin Edwards Senior yesterday that mentioned standard protocol for tires when temperatures get as hot as they did at Laguna. Apparently Michelin, not sure about the other tire manufacturers, shaves the tires when the temperatures get as hot as they did in Laguna. They do this because when they take layers of rubber off the tire, there is less mass there to retain heat so the tire stays cooler and is less likely to blister. CE Senior said something happened at Laguna and Michelin didn't have time to shave all the tires for their riders. Judging by Edwards, Rossi and Hayden's tires, I would guess they got unshaved rubber. Just thought I would add that.

THE Rossi didn't get his tyres shaved first??? I really doubt it!

I would think Rossi would have gotten his tires taken care of but I don't know for sure. Just thought I'd throw another wrench in the spokes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Aug 1 2006, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would think Rossi would have gotten his tires taken care of but I don't know for sure. Just thought I'd throw another wrench in the spokes.

What I read was that Rossi and Colin might have had a different problem than Nicky's blistered rear rubber. I remember from my racing days that if the rubber actually gets hot enough (friction, ambient temp, track temp) the rubber will actually boil for a split second allowing air under the surface rubber making almost a pimple in the rubber....then it creates an air pocket which breaks leaving the pot mark in the rubber......Rossi and Colin specified that the left side of the rear tire only was a problem, meaning they might have been running a dual compound which had a defect......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fg998 @ Jul 24 2006, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Already after some 10 sec of the first race of the season when Rossi was hit, I could feel it comming! Bad luck! Is it really just Rossi that ride so hard thet the Michelins rips up to pieces. Or is the tirecompany one link in Hondas massive attac to beat Rossi? They've put in all they can to beat Rossi, and even starting from fourth row last week didn't stop Rossi from winning. But he has to be stopped, and conviniently, when Rossi get to close in the points his tire rips up, hmmm?
However right now it ain't Honda forcing Rossi to lay down his sword....! Even on a non working package he rides like a deamon when the racre is on. But for what, he's hit, bikes break, tires rips up, however he show us his the true champion, taking victories from fourth row starts and batteling in the top even when it seems impossible!
Who else gets the title this year got it cause Rossi was sabotaged. "You know" Haden may be in front of the pointscore, but it's only technical luck , sorry, Honda has got me turning my back to their brand. To see the Rupsol team boss make me sick!
-YAMAHA come on and get it toghter in the summer break you just been given, it's your last chance to change things!
And Ducati, work your way back to the top with Capirossi, we need you guys there infront of the Hyndas.
Rossi gave Yamaha the title 2004 and 2005, and will/would 2006, if only...


Effectively michelin have cost valentino 50 points cos hes had two tyre problems
i agree with you yamaha have let rossi down in a way theres soemthin not right with the bike it cant even handle a qualifier

hope mr dani "robot" pedrosa doesn't finish ahead of nicky haydon, he will get a big head and think he is superhuman going into the off season lol

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dribbles @ Aug 1 2006, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats a good link - those guys have to much time on their hands! lol

Interesting to see Colins rear also, near identical to Rossi's............perhaps they had some set-up issues which meant that they used more tire (can bike set-up do this?)

agreed, the link give a very good impression of the tires and the riders performace at the end of the race.

Bike set-up can mess up the tire big time. Check out a supersort bike compared to a production bike on the track. On fresh tires and a short track there is very little difference, if any, in lap times. But as the tires wear you will most probably see a much worse rear on a production bike dispite a 20hp disadvantage. This is due to bad suspension components on the rear shock that still are the standard item on a production bike. The same happen if you do mess up the settings. That said, on the supersport tires tearing is the big issue. That is not the same as we saw on the tires at laguna. Tearing is when you have those diagonal stripes of rubber hanging loose.
The big chuncks of rubber seems to be teared out of the tire at LS. Very strange and no doubt due to very special high teck GP-rubber. Assuming there is no real production faults that rubber must have some really strange propertis when it come to flexibility and tear strenght. Behaves more like old brittle silcon than rubber to me. You can see the same happen to those see-trough toy spring balls.