Yamaha just lost the championship for Rossi!

<-Long time lurker first time poster

I've been watching MotoGP for several years now, and without a doubt Rossi's talent puts him in a class by himself. Rossi has had an amazing run of luck since hitting the premier class. In many ways he creates that good luck for himself through the use of his intelligence (helping to develop the bikes he rides), raw talent, and a team that works flawlessly with him. What we have seen in 2006 is a run of bad luck that eclipses all of that and has all but cost him the title.

Every rider on the grid eventually faces the same challenges. Challenges such as setup problems, physical illness, riding injured, poor tire selection, poor weather/track conditions, etc, etc, etc. The thing everyone should remember and keep in mind is that Rossi won races and championships when his closest rivals were the ones having bad luck (eg Honda chatter problems in '05). That's racing.

2006 will be remembered as either the year Rossi triumphed over adversity (if anyone could still win it this year it's him), or the year he gave up the crown to a more consistent rival (Hayden, Pedrosa or possibley Melandri). If he does give up the crown, then the person who wins the title does so legitmately playing by the same rules and with the same risks as everyone else on the grid.

No matter how it turns out 2006 will be remembered as one of the best years for MotoGP in history.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Jul 24 2006, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"I'M NOT FALLING FOR THE BANNANA IN THE TAIL PIPE!"

ahahahahaa fantastic...

Welcome to the site SV. Couldn't have said it better myself, really.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jul 25 2006, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Welcome to the site SV. Couldn't have said it better myself, really.

Same here.

Personally, I think in the matter of skills or talents, then Rossi doesn't have to prove anything more. We have seen it year after year as he clinched 5 MotoGP world championships.

However, if he does give up the crown to someone (which I agree is totally deserving of that), then he is left with one more thing to prove: How does a man as great as himself bouce back from this?

I believe that a man's greatness is not measured by the way he carries himself in his glory, but how he handles himself after such a bad fall.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jul 24 2006, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>quite yer belly aching!..... sour grapes!!! suck it up!!!


haha i got nothing to say bout this ..... BUT FROSTY! ur still around! hadn't seen u post in ages

or maybe it was my imagination

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ([email protected] @ Jul 24 2006, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>to repeat....all the top riders battling the entire race at every round.....
thats what this sport is about.....

So, are you saying that this has been a bad season because Rossi has had bad luck? Every one battling for the whole race at every single stop on the tour...aint gonna happen. Bad luck and mechanical failures are a part of racing. But since all of the best riders have to be battling for the duration of each race, maybe the race should be red flagged whenever Rossi's bike goes. He'll need some time to go get his other bike ready. Perhaps we can stop the race and let Rossi catch back up to the front whenever he is too far back to challenge for the win (like NASCAR caution periods). Of course, every other "top rider" would be entitled to these breaks. Every top rider battling for the win for the enitre race at every round is ideal, not realistic (perhaps even a pipe dream?).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (svgamer @ Jul 24 2006, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><-Long time lurker first time poster

What kept you!

I'm interested to hear how long you've been lurking and what made you join in?......its just we have a massive ratio of more people lurking to members posting....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doctor @ Jul 24 2006, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ahahahahaa fantastic...

Ditto....................thats quality!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (svgamer @ Jul 24 2006, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2006 will be remembered as either the year Rossi triumphed over adversity (if anyone could still win it this year it's him), or the year he gave up the crown
As good as Rossi is, and despite him climbing up and then getting knocked down again this year, I think the DNF at Laguna Seca was the biggest blow to his title charge; maybe even the finishing blow.

It's going to be fun to watch the final part of the season though and we should see the great racing continue.

my god,even Yamaha tried to relay the surface for him,and Nicky saying,"geeze they took away my favourite bits",was quite funny !

I hope 2006 isn't remembered as the season that Rossi lost beacause of bike problems, because the other riders are well deserving of their positions. Don't know if people had noticed but Rossi's been beat fair a square a few time this season, bike problems or no bike problems.
Whats happening to him know is what happens to everyone else, so there's not going to be any investigations or sabotage claims because .... happens.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ Jul 25 2006, 02:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What kept you!

I'm interested to hear how long you've been lurking and what made you join in?......

I've been reading the board for about a year now (took me a while to find it hehe). I am not sure why I posted, I guess up until now someone else usually posted what I was thinking so I didn't feel the need.

For some reason this thread struck a cord with me. I have seen a lot of talk on many boards including this one from people who think Rossi's problems are unique to him when the reality is all riders face the same challenges. I just felt like tossing in my $.02.

Thanks for the warm welcome!

hi lads ive been away in bonny scotland for a week so lets have a word on this hey,, ooost spot on, well for me if vale had this luck last year and the year before and the year before then hey ur gunna struggle and not win titles,, the bike well its a massive problem, crap 1 week next its spot on then next its crap for 1 thing or another, and for all of u laughing and u know u r? he as in rossi has rode his nuts off as normal but more this year,, i say it again theres only 1 geezer in the field who can win from so far back and thats pedrosa but he aint rossi,, if u cant see wot rossi has done this year then get sum contacts,, yes im gunna suck it up but yet again rossi has treated me to sum fantastic performances,, the title is over bar sumthink stupid end of,, the gud things this year is the consistances of hayden and without a doult pedreosa,,
the one thing i hate and i say it again the arragances of laughing when rossi fails,,, we all hate a true champ.. heyyyyyyyyy..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Jul 25 2006, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So, are you saying that this has been a bad season because Rossi has had bad luck? Every one battling for the whole race at every single stop on the tour...aint gonna happen. Bad luck and mechanical failures are a part of racing. But since all of the best riders have to be battling for the duration of each race, maybe the race should be red flagged whenever Rossi's bike goes. He'll need some time to go get his other bike ready. Perhaps we can stop the race and let Rossi catch back up to the front whenever he is too far back to challenge for the win (like NASCAR caution periods). Of course, every other "top rider" would be entitled to these breaks. Every top rider battling for the win for the enitre race at every round is ideal, not realistic (perhaps even a pipe dream?).


i was never saying that rossi shold have any sort of special treatment....

but.... ITS WELL EASY TO BEAT A CHAMP WHEN HE IS DOWN....

it makes me laugh when we hear people like randy momola in MCN...making little snide comments about rossis DNF's...

also, the bbc commentator steve parish is starting to get on my nerves.....subtly slating rossi while commentating....

it makes me laugh even more that they used to do it to gibenau last season when he was having his 'bad luck'...ND when back in catalunia when rossi raced a spectacular race...those people were back to saying all different kinds of nice things about him

i can honestly say that if hayden wins this championship...then ill be pleased for him...he has showed consistency and i think he is a fantastic character and role model for the sport...and i would be extremely excited....becasue if the future of moto gp is in his hands then AWSOME!

i also think that rossi's performance shows this year the inportance of getting it all right...

its been a weird year for rossi....and a year where hayden has excelled....

but when both are racing to full performance.....just think of the outcome....

No disresprect meant from me to Rossi. The man is brilliant and what he has done this season despite his tough breaks has been a pleasure to watch. You're right, it's easy to hate a true champion but I always try to remind myself that I am watching a living legend every time he takes the track. Don't get me wrong though, I'm still pullin' for Nicky. I just hope in 2007 Yamaha has a competitive 800cc so Valentino can fight it out straight up with the likes of Pedrosa, Melandri and Nicky. I have a gut feeling Nicky will only get faster as the years pass, a bit like Doohan in that sense.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jul 25 2006, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No disresprect meant from me to Rossi. The man is brilliant and what he has done this season despite his tough breaks has been a pleasure to watch. You're right, it's easy to hate a true champion but I always try to remind myself that I am watching a living legend every time he takes the track. Don't get me wrong though, I'm still pullin' for Nicky. I just hope in 2007 Yamaha has a competitive 800cc so Valentino can fight it out straight up with the likes of Pedrosa, Melandri and Nicky. I have a gut feeling Nicky will only get faster as the years pass, a bit like Doohan in that sense.

brilliantly put.....

im looking forward to see rossi back on top form....

AND hayden getiing a LOT LOT faster

I am sorry Ooost but i think your wrong bout Hayden, I dont think he will get faster. He rides the bike like a dirt bike. He aint smooth enough! I think this will show when we go to 800cc
He might prove me wrong! I hope so.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jul 25 2006, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am sorry Ooost but i think your wrong bout Hayden, I dont think he will get faster. He rides the bike like a dirt bike. He aint smooth enough! I think this will show when we go to 800cc
He might prove me wrong! I hope so.
People have been saying that about him for years now and he keeps finding a way to go faster and faster. We'll see what happens with the 800cc, cheers for your support.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (svgamer @ Jul 24 2006, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><-Long time lurker first time poster

Welcome to the list.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The thing everyone should remember and keep in mind is that Rossi won races and championships when his closest rivals were the ones having bad luck (eg Honda chatter problems in '05). That's racing.

First, let me say soemthing about luck. Saving a slide once or twice is luck. When you over the years have 10 - 20 all saved it's got nothing to do with luck. Sure you agree but just had to say that.
Next, Rossi won championships with a far slower bike that his oponents in those years, how much a a handicap should he have?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>2006 will be remembered as either the year Rossi triumphed over adversity (if anyone could still win it this year it's him),

No. it's far beyond that. The two leaders in the series would have to .... up in major way for Rossi to win. So if he wins, it's luck in unluck not triumph over adversity but because bad luck or major misstakes take out the two on the top. In other words, as of last weekend he is not in charge of his own destiny regarding the chapionship.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>or the year he gave up the crown to a more consistent rival (Hayden, Pedrosa or possibley Melandri). If he does give up the crown, then the person who wins the title does so legitmately playing by the same rules and with the same risks as everyone else on the grid.

But is consistency is the best you can say about Hayden?
Why don't we just hand it to Edwards, that's mr. consistency him self. 23 or 24 races with points?
Is it just me, or is consistency just another word for a slower rider who just got his lucky shot? Is consistency brilliance? Is consistncy a winner?
I don't know, just that I got this funny taste in my mouth.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>No matter how it turns out 2006 will be remembered as one of the best years for MotoGP in history.

I don't think it will. Nither '99 or '00 where seasons with new but not clear winners, but they are not remembered as good years in my book, rather in between years, also with many starnge incidents taking out good riders.

I think 2006 is going to be remembered as a great season.

We've had so much exciting & varied racing.........its been superb and unpredictable, a really great season up to this point!

I'm not even fussed who wins the championship, cause I know that whoever does will be a well deserved champion of motoGP.....I just take each race and watch it - and each race this year has been superb!