Yamaha extends Rossi contract to 2018

Keshav · Mar 23, 2016

JPSLotus said:
My theory, while unprovable without access to data, is that most Rossi fans don't ride motorcycles at all. There's a few here that I believe this holds true.

The Ducati/Phillip Morris sponsorship is being used as a business-to-business platform which is exactly what they have done with their Ferrari F1 sponsorship. Yes there's the subliminal advertising and all of that, but they have stated the use of F1/Ferrari for business-to-business workings makes financial sense to them. The last time they have the Marlboro sponsorship was at Shanghai 2007 and they're still dumping in hundreds of millions. So it's not so much about the cigarettes as it is about access to a platform, and they also have something only one other sponsor (Rolex) has: a vote on the F1 commission to approve items that come out of the F1 Strategy Group.

I reckon it's not merely about selling bikes (understatement) - but along with current day brand awareness - there's that relationship that both riders and fans maintain years after a given racer has retired. Look at all the replica helmets for guys like Freddy Spencer, Schwantz, and relatively forgotten guys like Wes Cooley, helmet designs that are re-licensed each time they are applied to the latest $900.00 carbon fiber update from Arai or AGV. I would say never underestimate the power of nostalgia/brand loyalty. Guys will pay good money for a retro Yamaha T-shirt simply because it reminds him the good old days when he followed Kenny Roberts' career 35 years ago.

I'm almost embassed to say how much I paid for a real Red Bull Casey Stoner cap from Australia.

#22 · Mar 23, 2016

Oh go orn, embarrass yourself.

povol · Mar 23, 2016

Keshav said:
I'm almost embassed to say how much I paid for a real Red Bull Casey Stoner cap from Australia.

50.00 ?

JohnnyKnockdown · Mar 23, 2016

Keshav said:
To be sure. But gotta say, after 6 weeks in Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia - no question that the Honda livery that's most prominent for bikes and scooters made in the last ten years is the Pedrosa/Marquez Repsol one.

M1 replicas... Not so much. Repsol replicas - on every street corner.

Oathbreaker

WVMotoGP99 · Mar 23, 2016

povol said:
50.00 ?

75.00?

black101 · Mar 23, 2016

#22 said:
Others have responded eloquently to your posts,so the only thing I'll add is that I watched Valencia 2015 again recently and you are wrong, Lorenzo did not run wide at one single corner (at least on camera view) the entire race.

The point you have missed is that he did run wide, enough for MM anyway. The bold MM can find or indeed make a gap anywhere. Please understand that I am never wrong, merely misquoted!

Gaz · Mar 23, 2016

povol said:
It used to infuriate me when Tiger Woods would finish 20th, 8 strokes off the leader board, and Sportcenters report on the tournament would be 10 minutes explaining why Tiger didnt win, and an oh by the way here is the insignificant peeon that won, next up on Sportcenter. Right or wrong, whatever pays the bills. You never heard the others complain though, he took the game to a level that made them insanely rich. Rossi is the Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Peyton Manning, etc etc of bike racing. Love him or hate him, like Kesh said, these boards would be a 5 minute a day habit instead of hours.

Funny that you mention Woods Pov as I have often bought him up in this and other places when discussing Rossi as I see remarkable similarities in the way that they have played the media, generated a tremendous business empire and seemingly been allowed to run rampant over the sport as they through their public personality increased awareness and introduced the sport to new followers.

With Wood, it all caught up and the truth came out eventually with his cheating on the wife and the girl in every port, not to mention that Woods by all accounts anyway was a total ....... of a person to so many people as the little stories that emerged when he was winning grew louder as he faded.

Thus I will be interested in how Rossi goes now as we have seen the public meltdown but unlike Woods I suspect that Rossi will be fine as he has not had the associated infidelity issues (although there are rumours that he may now be single and been the dumped) and as such, the moral majority only have to look at the ....... approach

Jumkie · Mar 23, 2016

black101 said:
#22 said:

Others have responded eloquently to your posts,so the only thing I'll add is that I watched Valencia 2015 again recently and you are wrong, Lorenzo did not run wide at one single corner (at least on camera view) the entire race.

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The point you have missed is that he did run wide, enough for MM anyway. The bold MM can find or indeed make a gap anywhere. Please understand that I am never wrong, merely misquoted!

Ah, I see. That's a fantastic debate strategy, use imaginary events and disavow your own words from direct quotes to make assertions.

Anyway, here is why Marquez couldn't pass Lorenzo when 'he ran wide' because the Loch Ness Monster.

black101 · Mar 23, 2016

Jumkie said:
Ah, I see. That's a fantastic debate strategy, use imaginary events and disavow your own words from direct quotes to make assertions.

Anyway, here is why Marquez couldn't pass Lorenzo when 'he ran wide' because the Loch Ness Monster.

I've seen the Loch Ness monster. He was far smaller in real life as I recall.

Gaz · Mar 23, 2016

black101 said:
I've seen the Loch Ness monster. He was far smaller in real life as I recall.

He has beefed up apparently ............ to many burritos

michaelm · Mar 23, 2016

Gaz said:
Funny that you mention Woods Pov as I have often bought him up in this and other places when discussing Rossi as I see remarkable similarities in the way that they have played the media, generated a tremendous business empire and seemingly been allowed to run rampant over the sport as they through their public personality increased awareness and introduced the sport to new followers.

With Wood, it all caught up and the truth came out eventually with his cheating on the wife and the girl in every port, not to mention that Woods by all accounts anyway was a total ....... of a person to so many people as the little stories that emerged when he was winning grew louder as he faded.

Thus I will be interested in how Rossi goes now as we have seen the public meltdown but unlike Woods I suspect that Rossi will be fine as he has not had the associated infidelity issues (although there are rumours that he may now be single and been the dumped) and as such, the moral majority only have to look at the ....... approach

I think the main parallel between Rossi and Woods is both lost the intimidation/beaten before they start factor in regard to their rivals which applied for both in their (very long) pomp. Woods became a figure of fun due to his marital indiscretions, and to his main rivals Rossi's end of season behaviour probably appeared as it does to many of us, frankly loopy, and if he was trying to intimidate MM he certainly didn't succeed and is even less likely to succeed in future.

I am no moralist, and would have had no problem with Woods' extra-curricular adventures if he hadn't got married and had children and hypocritically marketed himself as a clean cut family man. As a some time golfer I would say some of his behaviour on course, swearing and club throwing and such, when in his prime would have been poorly tolerated from an ordinary member of a golf club.

I have mostly had no problem with Rossi's on track ruthlessness, having been a Mick Doohan fan, and still would regard only the Gibernau last corner "pass" at Jerez 2005 and the Sepang 2015 thing as indefensibly and unequivocally dirty.

This quest for the 10th title seems to have taken on Moby ..../search for the great white whale proportions though, at cost to his reputation and perhaps even his personal life, starting with the move to Ducati, subsequently ditching Burgess (I thought this was understandable at the time, JB seemed to have lost faith) and now apparently misplacing the long term girlfriend.

yamfan · Mar 23, 2016

black101 said:
I've seen the Loch Ness monster. He was far smaller in real life as I recall.

Picture or it never happened matey. [emoji1]Welcome by the way

JohnnyKnockdown · Mar 23, 2016

yamfan said:
Picture or it never happened matey. [emoji1]Welcome by the way

We've all seen the LCM. Around here We call him Pete. Stick around, he surfaces every once in a while

Keshav · Mar 23, 2016

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Oathbreaker

I've said something to offend you???

#22 · Mar 24, 2016

black101 said:
#22 said:

The point you have missed is that he did run wide, enough for MM anyway. The bold MM can find or indeed make a gap anywhere. Please understand that I am never wrong, merely misquoted!

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J4rn0 · Mar 24, 2016

Aw Mang said:
You don't understand what I said. When I said Rossi has nowhere to go, I mostly meant competitive rides like Honda and Ducati. At his age, Rossi wouldn't want to go to any non competitive teams like Suzuki, aprilia, ktm or any of the satellite teams. I don't speak out of spite, just reality.

Suzuki "non competitive"? No, they are almost there imho. Maybe what they are still lacking is exactly a top rider with lots of experience.

Aw Mang · Mar 24, 2016

Dude, "Almost" doesn't count. Rossi had a disaster at Ducati, what makes you think he would go there at the age of 38? To be fighting with mid packers on a Suzuki would damage his ego in massive proportions. Unless Suzuki offers him mucho dinero and they didn't, the idea of Rossi going there is just a pipe dream.

JohnnyKnockdown · Mar 24, 2016

Keshav said:
I've said something to offend you???

What is wrong with you? I and others repeatedly ask you to ignore us. Now I see you quoting me, Dub and JPS. Things were peacefull for a few weeks and now here you go again breaking the terms of the truce. How many times do you need to be told this.

cucoloco · Mar 24, 2016

black101 said:
#22 said:

The point you have missed is that he did run wide, enough for MM anyway. The bold MM can find or indeed make a gap anywhere. Please understand that I am never wrong, merely misquoted!

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Honey, is that you??

cucoloco · Mar 24, 2016

JohnnyKnockdown said:
What is wrong with you? I and others repeatedly ask you to ignore us. Now I see you quoting me, Dub and JPS. Things were peacefull for a few weeks and now here you go again breaking the terms of the truce. How many times do you need to be told this.

I was not involved in the discussion, or better said, argument that happened not too long ago but if you really really don't want anything to do with kesh then you shouldn't have put "oathbreaker" under his post. You are responding to him, you are inviting him to a conversation/discussion or argument whether he did it on purpose or not, because you want to not because he makes you. It' in your hands.

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