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Yamaha extends Rossi contract to 2018

You don't understand what I said. When I said Rossi has nowhere to go, I mostly meant competitive rides like Honda and Ducati. At his age, Rossi wouldn't want to go to any non competitive teams like Suzuki, aprilia, ktm or any of the satellite teams. I don't speak out of spite, just reality.

No, you were absolutely right, Rossi has nowhere to go because of the conditions he placed. He said he would only continue in MotoGP if he could "fight for the important positions". That narrowed down the only possibly to Honda, Yamaha, and Ducati. He burned bridges at all THREE manufacturers, and it took an extraordinary deal brokered by the CEO of Dorna to get him back at Yamaha, otherwise he'd already be retired. Staying at Yamaha was his ONLY "option".

Btw, if he couldn't "fight" for the podium on a Yamaha, there was no way he was going to "fight" for a podium on a Suzuki (much less an Aprilia or KTM). I keep highlighting the word "fighting" because this is what he said, though it didn't look like much of a fight he put up at Qatar. More like followed Marquez around. Which according to him was something of a crime just one race removed!
 
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His "strategy" now is basically hoping for rain or keeping close to the top riders and hope their tires worn out so he could " steal" the race. With lesser bikes, he would be in mid pack and wouldn't be in positions to steal races;
 
If Rossi finishes in the top 3 this year, and top 4 the next and top 5 the next, it is a 100% win and cash cow for Yamaha.

You folks seem to forget this sport is first and for most about selling bikes.. Rossi still sells bikes. Outside the US any ways.
 
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I already showed Rossi being at, or not at Yamaha had little impact on sales in Southeast Asia, which flew directly in the face of some bold claims being made here.
 
If Rossi finishes in the top 3 this year, and top 4 the next and top 5 the next, it is a 100% win and cash cow for Yamaha.

You folks seem to forget this sport is first and for most about selling bikes.. Rossi still sells bikes. Outside the US any ways.

I made the following post about a month or so ago...

Did some research about 2011.

Here's the relevant bits...

Asian (excluding Japanese) motorcycle demand in 2011 grew 4.8%, to 45,529 thousand units, as the benefits
of generally stable economic growth more than offset the negative effects of slower growth in China stemming
from the European economic crisis, and damage from the flooding in Thailand.

Although Yamaha Motor’s 2011 sales declined in Indonesia, Thailand and China from the effects of the flooding in Thailand, growth in Vietnam and India held the overall decline in volume to 0.4%, to 6,059 thousand
units, while net sales declined 2.5%, to ¥594.1 billion.

Total demand in 2012 is expected to rise 7.1%, to 48,756 thousand units, against a backdrop of stable economic growth and insufficient social infrastructure.

Yamaha Motor will aggressively introduce new models and work to increase sales, both quantitatively and qualitatively, and we are forecasting an 18.8% increase in unit sales, to 7,197 thousand units.

Total motorcycle demand in Indonesia grew 10.6% in 2011, to 8,001 thousand units, reflecting an environment of stable economic growth, the region’s population demographic and underdeveloped transportation infrastructure.

Total 2011 motorcycle demand in the Thai market grew 8.7% from the previous year, to 2,007 thousand units, as a strong economy boosted by solid exports absorbed the economic damage caused by the flooding.

Growth in the Vietnamese market in 2011 was weakened by the government’s anti-inflation policies, but nevertheless total motorcycle demand grew 16.0% from the previous year, to 3,562 thousand units.

The Indian market experienced an economic slowdown in 2011, but solid retail consumption continued to increase amid rising interest rates and inflation. As a result, total demand for motorcycles grew 16.0%, to 13,078 thousand units.
Frankly, I think Yamaha marketing may very well have been overstating the case. I'm still looking at 2012. Overall global growth in 2011 and 2012 dropped, whereas in 2013 it picked up, but there were far more important economic factors than whether or not Valentino Rossi was on the 2nd Yamaha M1. Euro Zone crisis was in full swing during that period.

Marketing tends to overstate the effects of such things as a rider being on a bike being essential for sales. For example I love Stoner, but I wouldn't buy a Ducati based upon his riding a Ducati. The win on Sunday buy on Monday culture has long died off with NASCAR, and I don't believe it holds true for the vast majority of buyers out there.

Yamaha made zero mentions of losing Rossi as being a cause for the decline in sales. There were far more important factors to sales declines than Rossi going to Ducati. Whether Rossi is on the M1 or not is irrelevant in the overall scheme of things.
 
Don't believe that or Yamaha wouldn't have sponsored his riding school. End of the day, it is all about money. Not favorites. Not friends. Not ......... The little old white hair gentlemen in Japan want, demand a return on investment on each dollar spent. If they did not believe Rossi was going to make them more money in the long run than they gave him in his contract, there would be no contract. Racing is business.. As much if not more than a sport.
 
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I made the following post about a month or so ago...







Yamaha made zero mentions of losing Rossi as being a cause for the decline in sales. There were far more important factors to sales declines than Rossi going to Ducati. Whether Rossi is on the M1 or not is irrelevant in the overall scheme of things.


I must of missed it, but I didn't see where Rossi was referenced once in the article? Just that sales declined... No data correlating Rossi to the decline.. No baseline to verify against. Maybe it would have dropped more if he was not riding?
 
To compare VR sitting behind MM last weekend and MM sitting behind JL at Valencia 2015 is hardly accurate.
The belief here is that VR doesn't have the pace or commitment to make a pass stick at the front whereas MM does, proven by his re pass on DP at Valencia.
 
It is only 'hardly accurate' in your mind because it doesn't fit the narrative, again in your mind, that Marquez did Rossi out of the title in 2015.

Pedrosa ran wide after passing Marquez in Valencia, which allowed the repass. Lorenzo never ran wide once.
 
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If Rossi finishes in the top 3 this year, and top 4 the next and top 5 the next, it is a 100% win and cash cow for Yamaha.

You folks seem to forget this sport is first and for most about selling bikes.. Rossi still sells bikes. Outside the US any ways.

Brother, i agree that this was a marketing decision by Yamaha. I thinks that's what I'm arguing, that it was a marketing decision first and foremost.

Lets not lose sight of one undeniable fact, the racing department did not want Rossi to return to Yamaha, this is from the mouth of the Yamaha racing personnel, moreover the decision to sign him was made by the marketing department. This two-year deal is not that dissimilar to the dynamic that ushered Rossi back to Yamaha from Ducati. Again, I'm agreeing with you that this deal is a marketing coup. As you say this sport (Dorna) and Yamaha are a business, therefore having thee most popular figure the face of your business is logical and good business sense. He brings value to the TV and live audience (venues) potential and certainly to Yamaha marketing.

My position in the debate is to refute that he had options based on Rossi's own conditions. Regarding motorcycle sales, I don't know bro. I honestly think they could 'sell' as many bikes if they hired Brad Pitt or some famous movie/singer to market their product. Fiat for example featured Rossi and Jennifer Lopez on marketing of the Fiat 500 here in the US. I don't know the figures, but I would suspect Lopez got more eyes on product than Rossi. Who know the sales differential.

As you say, VR is extremely popular in SE Asia, and certainly he gets eyes on product when they splash his picture next to a Yamaha scooter. I wouldn't argue against it. How many scooters does this actually sell versus if they instead of Rossi had some famous SE Asia actor/singer or whatever pop culture icon is adored there, that is a reasonable question. I think signing Rossi was a no brainer because it was a marketing decision.

From a purely racing standpoint we can debate the merits, but this would be a complete different argument. But again, I agree with you, this was a business decision.
 
Sorry J4rn0, but I gotta call ........ buddy. Rossi had nowhere to go. Are you forgetting Rossi's capricious condition? He said he would only race if he could do so for the important positions? That absolutely narrowed down his option to basically stay and hope Yamaha offered him a deal, lucky for him he has Lin Jarvis and the Yamaha marketing department to thank. Its the same same reason he considered not showing up to Valencia, if he can't be guaranteed a top 3, he won't show up. There are only 2 other manufacturers in podium contention, Honda and Ducati. So no, you're wrong, based on his conditions, he effectively had nowhere to go. His only "option" was to thank Yamaha for giving him a golden parachute.

As you say, everyone only really has the option of 4 seats if they want to win though. I am sure J4RNO is correct, Suzuki, KTM would, even Ducati again might, take him, although I don't see him wanting to run midfield again.

I guess this is as much about what Rossi wants in his retirement as what Yamaha wants in his retirement. The length of time in the contract is puzzling , I don't see Rossi being competitive in 2018, but Rossi proved us, and Jerry Burgess for that matter, wrong by going very close last year. It is possible this is all a gesture, since Rossi can easily quit earlier by mutual agreement if he decides he had no chance against JL/MM.
 
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Brother, i agree that this was a marketing decision by Yamaha. I thinks that's what I'm arguing, that it was a marketing decision first and foremost.

Lets not lose sight of one undeniable fact, the racing department did not want Rossi to return to Yamaha, this is from the mouth of the Yamaha racing personnel, moreover the decision to sign him was made by the marketing department. This two-year deal is not that dissimilar to the dynamic that ushered Rossi back to Yamaha from Ducati. Again, I'm agreeing with you that this deal is a marketing coup. As you say this sport (Dorna) and Yamaha are a business, therefore having thee most popular figure the face of your business is logical and good business sense. He brings value to the TV and live audience (venues) potential and certainly to Yamaha marketing.

My position in the debate is to refute that he had options based on Rossi's own conditions. Regarding motorcycle sales, I don't know bro. I honestly think they could 'sell' as many bikes if they hired Brad Pitt or some famous movie/singer to market their product. Fiat for example featured Rossi and Jennifer Lopez on marketing of the Fiat 500 here in the US. I don't know the figures, but I would suspect Lopez got more eyes on product than Rossi. Who know the sales differential.

As you say, VR is extremely popular in SE Asia, and certainly he gets eyes on product when they splash his picture next to a Yamaha scooter. I wouldn't argue against it. How many scooters does this actually sell versus if they instead of Rossi had some famous SE Asia actor/singer or whatever pop culture icon is adored there, that is a reasonable question. I think signing Rossi was a no brainer because it was a marketing decision.

From a purely racing standpoint we can debate the merits, but this would be a complete different argument. But again, I agree with you, this was a business decision.


I think we are on the same page.

I agree with your opinion that he does not have any options in the "top tier" of teams. Also agree that he would not and will not ride for one of the lesser teams, even though I think KTM or Apillia would sign him and give him a big check.

When half the fans in the stands are Yellow Boppers, I think that has to correlate to fat Yamaha pockets.

Basically, I think we agree on everything.. Well maybe not on the degree he plays in sells bikes..

Let's recap...

Agree
1 - Yamaha is it for the money
2 - Rossi was signed as much for his past glory has his future potential
3 - Rossi ego will not let him ride for anyone else
4 - Other small teams would take him just to have his face next to their product, because they are in it for the money as well.

Not so much
1 - Rossi still is cash cow of product endorsement

4 out of 5 is stellar on this site!!!!!!!!
 
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To compare VR sitting behind MM last weekend and MM sitting behind JL at Valencia 2015 is hardly accurate.
The belief here is that VR doesn't have the pace or commitment to make a pass stick at the front whereas MM does, proven by his re pass on DP at Valencia.
Because when Lorenzo ran wide at Valencia, Marquez didn't pounce? Oh wait, Lorenzo never ran wide or made a miniscule mistake to give any opportunity to Marquez.

However, Pedrosa did run wide (fact) which gave the faster line to Marquez. Then...Pedrosa never again attempted a pass.

Now contrast this to Qatar: Marquez ran wide several times, struggling to get his bike turned. Rossi followed on a more sorted M1, which had better cornering and drive out of corners. Rossi acted like Marquez bodyguard, never once as much as showing Marc a wheel.

Why is Rossi cheating us of the championship? Protecting Marquez's podium was "obvious" and "proof" Rossi wanted a Honda on the podium. Maybe Rossi finally feels bad for accusing Marquez of all those bad things and to make amends he 'gave' Marc a podium as an olive branch.
 
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Don't believe that or Yamaha wouldn't have sponsored his riding school. End of the day, it is all about money. Not favorites. Not friends. Not ......... The little old white hair gentlemen in Japan want, demand a return on investment on each dollar spent. If they did not believe Rossi was going to make them more money in the long run than they gave him in his contract, there would be no contract. Racing is business.. As much if not more than a sport.

I don't think it is just about money for the Japanese marques though, but rather there are elements of some arcane form of Japanese ritual combat to gp bike racing for them. The same commercial imperatives would have applied to Honda, but they made no pretence about parting less than amicably with Rossi. I think there are also aspects of tradition/philosophy for Honda at least, Sochiro Honda having been very much a racing guy.
 
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It is only 'hardly accurate' in your mind because it doesn't fit the narrative, again in your mind, that Marquez did Rossi out of the title in 2015.

Pedrosa ran wide after passing Marquez in Valencia, which allowed the repass. Lorenzo never ran wide once.


Your assumption, because it fits your narrative, that I blindly support VR. This is not the case but I do admit to trying to apply a little balance when considering events. MM didn't do VR out of the title in 2015, JL did, by winning it.
DP did indeed run wide, not much, but enough. However so did JL, enough for an MM pass anyway, it's just that MM made no overt attempt to capitalise.
 
Because when Lorenzo ran wide at Valencia, Marquez didn't pounce? Oh wait, Lorenzo never ran wide or made a miniscule mistake to give any opportunity to Marquez.

However, Pedrosa did run wide (fact) which gave the faster line to Marquez. Then...Pedrosa never again attempted a pass.

Now contrast this to Qatar: Marquez ran wide several times, struggling to get his bike turned. Rossi followed on a more sorted M1, which had better cornering and drive out of corners. Rossi acted like Marquez bodyguard, never once as much as showing Marc a wheel.

Why is Rossi cheating us of the championship? Protecting Marquez's podium was "obvious" and "proof" Rossi wanted a Honda on the podium. Maybe Rossi finally feels bad for accusing Marquez of all those bad things and to make amends he 'gave' Marc a podium as an olive branch.


You mistake my post as in some way an attempt to find some way of attacking anyone not VR. The facts of the matter is that you cannot compare the two events and stand by the narrative that VR hasn't got the speed or commitment to improve his own position in a race without someone falling off in front of him. This is the firm belief of many on this forum.
In my opinion VR simply hasn't got the speed or youthful tenacity to throw the bike in with the same belief that MM would. Therefore the two instances cannot be compared at this time in heir careers. Comparing MM with the VR of a few seasons ago then I would have no argument.
 
Your assumption, because it fits your narrative, that I blindly support VR. This is not the case but I do admit to trying to apply a little balance when considering events. MM didn't do VR out of the title in 2015, JL did, by winning it.
DP did indeed run wide, not much, but enough. However so did JL, enough for an MM pass anyway, it's just that MM made no overt attempt to capitalise.

I don't think JL ran sufficiently wide at Valencia 2015 myself, and Valencia is probably the most "one line" circuit of all.

Had MM been behind in the points but with a chance of winning the title at Valencia he may well have made a lunge, but JL never gave him a sufficient opportunity to make a clean pass imo and he had just been admonished for racing a title contender at Sepang, to say nothing of Valentino having more or less called for his public lynching. Why on earth would he make a rash move for Valentino's benefit?

My impression is that he did ride fairly and with consideration for both title contenders by his own standards at PI, making no risky moves on either but taking the win when it was there, hence why he was even more annoyed by VR's pre-Sepang outburst. He certainly also made Lorenzo work at Valencia, pushing him to near record pace for most of the race.

MM had fairly rapid warm-up times this race btw, another reason given why he must not have been trying at Valencia (EDIT I meant Sepang).
 
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Let's not forget the fact that pedrosa beat Rossi in a previous race prior to PI, then after the race, Rossi asked pedrosa in private why pedrosa tried to race him while he was in the hunt for the title when pedrosa was not. What? He expected people to get out of his way?
 
I don't think JL ran sufficiently wide at Valencia 2015 myself, and Valencia is probably the most "one line" circuit of all.



Had MM been behind in the points but with a chance of winning the title at Valencia he may well have made a lunge, but JL never gave him a sufficient opportunity to make a clean pass imo and he had just been admonished for racing a title contender at Sepang, to say nothing of Valentino having more or less called for his public lynching. Why on earth would he make a rash move for Valentino's benefit?



My impression is that he did ride fairly and with consideration for both title contenders by his own standards at PI, making no risky moves on either but taking the win when it was there, hence why he was even more annoyed by VR's pre-Sepang outburst. He certainly also made Lorenzo work at Valencia, pushing him to near record pace for most of the race.


We've all seen MM make lunges before when at a point in the season that it wasn't do or die..yet.
I also agree that MM raced fairly thru out last season but it was certainly out of character to not even make an attempt at a pass in that race. Did he do it consciously, who knows.
I've been to the Valencia round several times (I was certainly outnumbered in my excitement when VR fell off in front of me in 2006..go Hayden!) but for a reputedly one line circuit, I've seen as many passes made there as anywhere else. And if anyone can stick a pass on someone MM is the man!
 
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You mistake my post as in some way an attempt to find some way of attacking anyone not VR. The facts of the matter is that you cannot compare the two events and stand by the narrative that VR hasn't got the speed or commitment to improve his own position in a race without someone falling off in front of him. This is the firm belief of many on this forum.
In my opinion VR simply hasn't got the speed or youthful tenacity to throw the bike in with the same belief that MM would. Therefore the two instances cannot be compared at this time in heir careers. Comparing MM with the VR of a few seasons ago then I would have no argument.

The post I quote asserted something rather interesting, that I couldn't compare Rossi sitting behind Marquez at Qatar in the same way as Marquez "sitting" behind Lorenzo at Valencia. Pivotal, according to your post was the "proof" being in Marquez able to pass Pedrosa.

Two things are happening here:

#1. The comparison I'm making is NOT a real comparison; but rather I'm making a mockery of Rossi's assertions that Marquez sitting behind Lorenzo was "PROOF" of Marc protecting Lorenzo's position. I'm mocking that assertion! Do you understand this first point? Because I don't think you do. In fact there is no need to discuss any real 'comparison' because what you saw unfold at Valencia and Qatar is not a mystery or conspiracy! Simply we saw two riders chasing the guy in front unable to make an impression for the position. End of. However, I entertained your assertion that a comparison can't be made, which is what you're saying.

#2, you are seemingly asserting that these two events cannot be compared because Marquez possessed the determination to challenge Lorenzo but did not for whatever reason, according to you really try to pass Lorenzo, YOUR PROOF is that Marc was able to pass Pedrosa. (I could stop you right there and point out how false this proof is given passing Pedrosa (WHO RAN WIDE) is a completely different proposition to passing Lorenzo who was fighting for the title. You may want to revisit 2013 Valencia to understand the difference in passing Pedrosa verses passing Lorenzo at Valencia. Furthermore, Marquez couldn't pass Lorenzo BECAUSE HE COULDN'T PASS LORENZO. Rossi couldn't pass Marquez because he couldn't pass Marquez. You see, same ...., no mystery, no conspiracy. I'm calling ........ on Rossi. Get it?
 
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