WSBK rd.4: Monza

Jumkie said:

I'm sorry Arrabi, blame it on my lack of sleep, 3 hours in 2 days, but I didn't understand a ....... thing you just said.

About Laguna Seca, we Americans classify all Euros the same. So playing an Italian anthem (whatever the .... that is) to a Spanish anthem (whoever the .... cares) is of no consequence. About mixing up the Aussies and the Brits, c'mon, you can't really blame us for that, both under the Queen, right? Both use the word "mate" profusely, right? And correct me if I'm wrong, but the only real ethnic difference is that Brits are gentlemen and Aussies are convicts, right?

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Am sorry that made me laugh cheers!



Am waiting to see what happens with Laverty in the next round am hoping it wasnt just a blip!



Personally I would just like to see someone take it to checa on a different type of track whoever it is!

Jumkie said:

right? Both use the word "mate" profusely, right? And correct me if I'm wrong, but the only real ethnic difference is that Brits are gentlemen and Aussies are convicts, right?

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Mate, I said buddy, I said pal, you forgot that us Aussies are the nice ones that bath regularly and of course have recent champions in the MotoGP world and probably one of the most loved of all WSBK'ers.



What is it the Brits have again

















All in fun people











Gaz

Kropotkin said:

If Spies wins, I'm going to get the circuit to play "Oh Canada"

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And what a beautiful anthem that is.

Jumkie said:

Canadians r subjects of the Crown, r they not? If, they didnt sound so much like Americans, i'd lump them in as some variety of Brit (obvously a lower form of course).

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Jum, you forget about the nearly 25 percent of Canadians who speak French as their first language.

Austin said:

And what a beautiful anthem that is.

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Funny about anthems, how some are good and others are not. The French anthem, for example, is fantastic, stirring. The British anthem is a dirge and fairly awful. Oh Canada and the US anthem are almost archetypal, slightly martial and just a little bit dull. The Italian anthem is fantastic, always stirring, while the Spanish anthem is also stately and rather dull. The Belgian anthem is a perky little number, while the lyrics to the Dutch national anthem are frankly bizarre, talking about honoring the King of Spain, something which only makes sense once you know the long history of the Netherlands.

Jumkie said:

Biaggi, sure he got ...... out of a result, but he's not exactly blameless. He wasn't the only one to short cut this ridiculous pathetic circuit which offers these side streets (in case your google maps didn't show the upcoming turn needing braking from 1000mph.) But for him not to make a federal gesture of slowing down enough so as not to garner attention from race direction is plumb dumb. Maybe he thought the 20-minute lead wouldn't be enough and couldn't risk bring that down to 10 minutes. But I'm quite happy it happened. It gave us a great race for the win and podium. The down side of course is that Rob is probably in a fetal position somewhere, crying that his once chance at showing how top speed and power really do win races wasn’t in the cards. Biaggi came in to the event as the double winner to elect, and he lost them both. Sorry Rob.

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Watching live my feeling was that max got screwed, but you are probably right; he got penalised for gross stupidity, which has not infrequently also been a problem for him in the past. He could have made a pantomime of slowing and still had a lead of 5 seconds.



The whole wsbk season has been an argument against rob's position, including the first race at monza, which is surely the best race on the calendar for a bike with a power/straight line advantage; the second race not so much, as that was purely max related, but I guess that's part of it too .



If they need contrivances like the chicane etc, I would agree the circuit shouldn't be in the schedule.

michaelm said:

Watching live my feeling was that max got screwed, but you are probably right; he got penalised for gross stupidity, which has not infrequently also been a problem for him in the past. He could have made a pantomime of slowing and still had a lead of 5 seconds.



The whole wsbk season has been an argument against rob's position, including the first race at monza, which is surely the best race on the calendar for a bike with a power/straight line advantage; the second race not so much, as that was purely max related, but I guess that's part of it too

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If they need contrivances like the chicane etc, I would agree the circuit shouldn't be in the schedule.

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Rob's second contention was that a fundamental of racing is that a bike with superior power will always have a greater chance of winning. (I say second contention because he editied his first while I was in the process of replying to it by adding 'a chance' where he originally stated a bike with more power will always have an advantage). Either way either assertion is incorrect.



Actually the Aprilia RSV4 if anything is an example of straightline top end speed and outright power prevailing over the competition because the other aspects of the bike are all sorted and work in harmony with the rider. But even so, the Yamaha's were unquestionably slower as demonstrated by the trap speeds, and last weekend was an example of rider superiority, race tactics, guille and a little bit of fortune. Rob presumes to believe that as a fundamental of racing all the other variables are negligible because outright power alone is the prevailing factor - purely derived from his dislike for Casey Stoner and his securing of the '07 championship on a bike that granted, could rinse the competition in a straight line drag race, but supposedly rode itself around the rest of the circuit. The '07 Ducati screamer was clearly a rodeo ride - and Casey grabbed the bull by its horns - and as most point out, his on the edge style was evidently the only way to make it work.



The Aprilia RSV4 is the complete opposite to its MotoGP counterpart the Aprilia Cube which made more power than the Saturn V. Try to harness that meaningfully around a racetrack. Easily the most powerful machine out there but irrespective of this, it never stood a remote chance of winning a race given its inherent developmental defficiencies.

Gaz said:

Mate, I said buddy, I said pal, you forgot that us Aussies are the nice ones that bath regularly and of course have recent champions in the MotoGP world and probably one of the most loved of all WSBK'ers.



What is it the Brits have again

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Outch

Austin said:

And what a beautiful anthem that is.

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I know you’re from Minnesota, which is practically Canada (well at least your baseball teams have had about the same success as theirs, that is, very little), but I’ll admit, their anthem is nice, if you like college anthems. However, I’ll give you one thing, their singers probably don’t forget the words to their anthem as they do regularly with the US one.

Austin said:

Jum, you forget about the nearly 25 percent of Canadians who speak French as their first language.

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Oh, no sir. I’ve been to Quebec. It’s a beautiful city. But I don’t think they consider themselves “Canadian”. Speaking of anthems, its was in Quebec I learned that the anthem was originally a French song later translated into English, much to the chagrin of the Québécois who told me.

Kropotkin said:

Funny about anthems, how some are good and others are not. The French anthem, for example, is fantastic, stirring. The British anthem is a dirge and fairly awful. Oh Canada and the US anthem are almost archetypal, slightly martial and just a little bit dull. The Italian anthem is fantastic, always stirring, while the Spanish anthem is also stately and rather dull. The Belgian anthem is a perky little number, while the lyrics to the Dutch national anthem are frankly bizarre, talking about honoring the King of Spain, something which only makes sense once you know the long history of the Netherlands.

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I for one like national anthems. I particularly like the British & the French ones. I think it says a lot about the aspirations of the people when it was written, but also a picture in time by the creator of such an anthem. For exmple, I love the line in the “God save the King” were it says something about “crushing the Scots”. A tune that I’m sure my buddy BassPete hums regularly.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Rob's second contention was...

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Rob will not be pleased with this…





Deploy the following emoticons in my post as you boys see fit:

Kropotkin said:

If Spies wins, I'm going to get the circuit to play "Oh Canada"

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This planet has enough passive aggression already.

Jumkie said:

I know you’re from Minnesota, which is practically Canada (well at least your baseball teams have had about the same success as theirs, that is, very little), but I’ll admit, their anthem is nice, if you like college anthems. However, I’ll give you one thing, their singers probably don’t forget the words to their anthem as they do regularly with the US one.

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Admittedly, it's been some time since we won a title. Actually, 20 years ago since we last won the World Series (apologies to the rest of the world for this name) in 1991. But another in '87 and division titles in 1987, 1991, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, and 2010 isn't bad. So that's two championships and eight division titles since we won our first won. You lot in LA have two championships and 10 pennants in the same span of time. With two teams. Just sayin'.

Austin said:

Admittedly, it's been some time since we won a title. Actually, 20 years ago since we last won the World Series (apologies to the rest of the world for this name) in 1991. But another in '87 and division titles in 1987, 1991, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, and 2010 isn't bad. So that's two championships and eight division titles since we won our first won. You lot in LA have two championships and 10 pennants in the same span of time. With two teams. Just sayin'.

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The "World" in World Series has nothing to apologize about. The best players in the 'world' play in the MLB. That the series doesn't travel to other countries is of no consequence. Put it this way, if the best players in the US traveled around the world competing with their national teams, the World Series trophies would read like this: USA Year 19xx-20xx and so forth. It certainly is a "World" series, the world's best players play for the series.



About the team comparisons:



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I think you will find that the Dodgers have more championships of any category than both Canadian teams (that is, Twins & the Blue Jays) combined.

Jumks,



I missed the race I was unable to see Haga's temporary resurgence! I was in London but arrived in the early AM after a long night and slept the race away....I suspect I'll be back in the UK this weekend for the GP round. I don't have any kind of video pass for SBK (does one even exist?).



BTW, for those in the know, which BBC channel typically broadcasts SBK and GP races? The Heathrow Marriott only had a few choices (Beeb 1,2) so I was probably out of luck any way.

levigarrett said:

Jumks,



I missed the race

I was unable to see Haga's temporary resurgence! I was in London but arrived in the early AM after a long night and slept the race away....I suspect I'll be back in the UK this weekend for the GP round. I don't have any kind of video pass for SBK (does one even exist?).



BTW, for those in the know, which BBC channel typically broadcasts SBK and GP races? The Heathrow Marriott only had a few choices (Beeb 1,2) so I was probably out of luck any way.

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SBK Is on British Eurosport (pay-tv) as is motogp

but

the BBC Show motogp too



times are UK/GMT

BBC Sport Interactive means whats called "red button coverage" most places in the uk have freeview / sky - freesat / cable TV to access that



if your TV access is via freeview it will show motogp Quali and 125.moto2 races on channel #301

then the motogp race will be on BBC2 Channel #2



if your TV Access is via sky / freesat / cable use the tvbox remote select a BBC Chan and press the red button to access Quali.125.moto2 coverage via a menu

then BBC2 for the motogp race channel #102



SEE SCHEDULE BELOW



Sat, May 14 · 11:50-15:05 · BBC Sport Interactive: (Freeview) CH301

+ sky - freesat - cable via the red button

Live MotoGP

French Grand Prix: Qualifying Sessions



Sun, May 15 · 09:50-12:05 · BBC Sport Interactive: (Freeview) CH301

+ sky - freesat - cable via the red button

Live MotoGP French Grand Prix: 125cc and Moto2 RACES





Sun, May 15 · 12:30-14:00 · BBC2

Live MotoGP French Grand Prix



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i think the London area has had there analogue tv switch over to digital

so i bet 99% sure the Marriott tv will be via freeview so channel 301 and 2 will be what you need

Pigsh, wow dude. Ur the man.

Jumkie said:

Pigsh, wow dude. Ur the man.

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Indeed! Thanks for the info Pigeon, I'll put this to proper use soon!

Arrabbiata1 said:

Actually the Aprilia RSV4 if anything is an example of straightline top end speed and outright power prevailing over the competition because the other aspects of the bike are all sorted and work in harmony with the rider. But even so, the Yamaha's were unquestionably slower as demonstrated by the trap speeds, and last weekend was an example of rider superiority, race tactics, guille and a little bit of fortune. Rob presumes to believe that as a fundamental of racing all the other variables are negligible because outright power alone is the prevailing factor - purely derived from his dislike for Casey Stoner and his securing of the '07 championship on a bike that granted, could rinse the competition in a straight line drag race, but supposedly rode itself around the rest of the circuit. The '07 Ducati screamer was clearly a rodeo ride - and Casey grabbed the bull by its horns - and as most point out, his on the edge style was evidently the only way to make it work.

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Sure, as you know I agree with you about rob's argument, and the current wsbk aprilia is nothing like the famous or infamous aprilia cube motogp bike.



My point about the whole 2011 superbike season so far is that by rob's argument aprilias ahould have won every race, as there is no way a yamaha let alone a ducati should be able to win given aprilia's power advantage.

Jumkie said:

I think you will find that the Dodgers have more championships of any category than both Canadian teams (that is, Twins & the Blue Jays) combined.

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No argument here. My only defense is that for a small market team, we do pretty well for ourselves. Before our new stadium last year, I don't think the payroll had ever gone higher than $70 million.



Oh, and for the record: The teams I support in the NL are the Mets and the Dodgers.

Too much going on here. Just finally got to watch Monza races this morning. Wow! Laverty is on fire.

Twas good to see a bit of Haga of old. Fabrizio seems to be racing smarter. I know rules are rules,

but really Max made no practical gain and shouldn't have been penalized. The Italians must have gone

wild. So far a very good season with no-one totally dominating.

Austin said:

No argument here. My only defense is that for a small market team, we do pretty well for ourselves. Before our new stadium last year, I don't think the payroll had ever gone higher than $70 million.



Oh, and for the record: The teams I support in the NL are the Mets and the Dodgers.

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You know I;m bustin your balls bro. Truth be told, I root for the Twin and most small market teams, in in particular the Twins and BlueJays. No BS.



However, the Mets? Well at least you don't root for the hated Giants or Yanks, or I'd have to reconsider our friendship.



Now lets get back on topic: Anthems, if they're not of some English speaking country (barring Mexico) then they suck!

Jumkie said:

You know I;m bustin your balls bro.

Truth be told, I root for the Twin and most small market teams, in in particular the Twins and BlueJays. No BS.



However, the Mets? Well at least you don't root for the hated Giants or Yanks, or I'd have to reconsider our friendship.

Now lets get back on topic: Anthems, if they're not of some English speaking country (barring Mexico) then they suck!

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And they really suck when some dipshit entertainer either forgets the ....... words, or turns a 30 second rendition into a 2 minute personal octave contest. Sing the ....... thing the way it was written, or get the .... off the stage