And Corser won WSBK, but he's not winning it now, is he?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ May 2 2007, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just a reminder.
Bayliss sucks!
And you wonder why Sheene got the hell out of there? He saw the future, man! How long since an Englander won a big bore GP? I'll give u a hint, it's more than 20 years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ May 2 2007, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just a reminder.
Bayliss sucks!
And you wonder why Sheene got the hell out of there? He saw the future, man! How long since an Englander won a big bore GP? I'll give u a hint, it's more than 20 years.
Good thing I don't give a toss about if Brits win in GP (unless it's Tose)!
How long since a Brit had a good bike!?
Anyway, this is about SBK series, and we BRITS are the most successful country in it by a long shot.
1.Foggy
2.Foggy
3.Foggy
4.Foggy
5.Hodge
6.Tose
Soon to be 7. Tose (cackles)
How long since a Brit had a good bike!?
Anyway, this is about SBK series, and we BRITS are the most successful country in it by a long shot.
1.Foggy
2.Foggy
3.Foggy
4.Foggy
5.Hodge
6.Tose
Soon to be 7. Tose (cackles)
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I've agreed with just about everything Povol has said. Can't really add much. The World Series is currently the best, not doubt. But then it’s the AMA, period. The problem is that there is so much money involved with this series that all the Americans are not willing to leave, including Mladin (on top of the fact that he's a ..... for not challenging his career against the MotoGP squad). Tom, that is the "trap", its money. And Provol nailed it when he said MotoGP is severely political. Certainly there are riders in WSBK and AMA that would trump many of the MotoGP guys. But MotoGP has closed the door effectively to other talent and has begun to cater only to their 250 guys. This is why the question is debatable whether or not MotoGP is the top series in the world. 10 years ago plus, this would never have been a question! But when you got guys who stay for the money in AMA and guys from WSBK shut out, then it becomes a question. This has been covered before, but I'll repeat it, I doubt the top MotoGP guys that have been reared in the GP series would automatically be successful in the AMA. Yes, it’s debatable, right? But why? Because the AMA and WSBK has retained some extremely talented riders that have not surfaced in GP for whatever reason. The AMA has deep talent, but the racing isn't closer because of their ...... rules that allow team Suzuki to dominate. Personally, if I were a billionaire, I would cut out all this ........ and make something similar to the IROC series, put all the top talented riders on equal bikes and let them sort it out. Then we can talk about who is the best. AMA has a few ...... tracks, they are infuriating to watch, but the other lists that Povol provided are world-class venues. Oh, and the camera work is the shittiest on the planet. As far as ranking all the other series, I guess BSB, then the Australia’s and Canada. There use to be something called the Trans-Atlantic series, some may remeber this (google it if you may), Americans and Europeans use to meet up to race. Perhaps there should be an all-star race of top contenders from all the national series, including world ones, to sort out the best.
RJ, the USA is the most represented nation in motogp, so don't try to complain that the whole world is against American riders, nor should you be foolish enough to compare AMA to world Superbike and Motogp.
The finer difference is the difference between AMA and BSB, and frankly AMA looses big time. If you watch BSB you will realize that the AMA field is anything but deep, in fact it is less deep than the disappointing world superbike field. BSB has far superior manufacture support to any other superbike series, and takes place on no less than 3 circuits that feature in world championship racing. Consider all of this before you even think about the quality of racing and the current wave of young talent shaking it up and threatening to be the future.
The finer difference is the difference between AMA and BSB, and frankly AMA looses big time. If you watch BSB you will realize that the AMA field is anything but deep, in fact it is less deep than the disappointing world superbike field. BSB has far superior manufacture support to any other superbike series, and takes place on no less than 3 circuits that feature in world championship racing. Consider all of this before you even think about the quality of racing and the current wave of young talent shaking it up and threatening to be the future.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 11 2007, 02:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>RJ, the USA is the most represented nation in motogp, so don't try to complain that the whole world is against American riders, nor should you be foolish enough to compare AMA to world Superbike and Motogp.
The finer difference is the difference between AMA and BSB, and frankly AMA looses big time. If you watch BSB you will realize that the AMA field is anything but deep, in fact it is less deep than the disappointing world superbike field. BSB has far superior manufacture support to any other superbike series, and takes place on no less than 3 circuits that feature in world championship racing. Consider all of this before you even think about the quality of racing and the current wave of young talent shaking it up and threatening to be the future.
First of all I wasn't complaining about "American" riders being shut out. I was making the point that MotoGP is catering to their support classes in 250s, and politically (not cross-national politics, but rather corporate culture politics) which has detrimentally and effectively shut out "superbike" riders (AMA, BSB, WSBK, etc).
The comparisons are made between the series' because they are derivatives of eachother. Just because you happen to hold the 'opinion' that MotoGP is the superior class, doesn't mean there are other riders in other series who are better, which if you don't realize this, you are being 'foolish".
The BSB series is held on about the trajectory compared to California. The AMA has depth both in venues and riders. Just because it’s much more popular in the UK, to feature several rounds shared by WSBK and MotoGP, doesn't necessarily lend prestige to the BSB (as you try to make the case). To me its simply means, the few tracks the BSB races on are also shared with other international series, nothing more.
The current 'wave' of young talent? More like a ripple in the pond I think. So the Brit Toesland is doing great, that's nice, I wouldn't exactly call that a wave. I hope him the best, and yes, he has been very impressive and determined, though he made a young man’s mistake, he may or may not make it MotoGP.
The finer difference is the difference between AMA and BSB, and frankly AMA looses big time. If you watch BSB you will realize that the AMA field is anything but deep, in fact it is less deep than the disappointing world superbike field. BSB has far superior manufacture support to any other superbike series, and takes place on no less than 3 circuits that feature in world championship racing. Consider all of this before you even think about the quality of racing and the current wave of young talent shaking it up and threatening to be the future.
First of all I wasn't complaining about "American" riders being shut out. I was making the point that MotoGP is catering to their support classes in 250s, and politically (not cross-national politics, but rather corporate culture politics) which has detrimentally and effectively shut out "superbike" riders (AMA, BSB, WSBK, etc).
The comparisons are made between the series' because they are derivatives of eachother. Just because you happen to hold the 'opinion' that MotoGP is the superior class, doesn't mean there are other riders in other series who are better, which if you don't realize this, you are being 'foolish".
The BSB series is held on about the trajectory compared to California. The AMA has depth both in venues and riders. Just because it’s much more popular in the UK, to feature several rounds shared by WSBK and MotoGP, doesn't necessarily lend prestige to the BSB (as you try to make the case). To me its simply means, the few tracks the BSB races on are also shared with other international series, nothing more.
The current 'wave' of young talent? More like a ripple in the pond I think. So the Brit Toesland is doing great, that's nice, I wouldn't exactly call that a wave. I hope him the best, and yes, he has been very impressive and determined, though he made a young man’s mistake, he may or may not make it MotoGP.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 11 2007, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all I wasn't complaining about "American" riders being shut out. I was making the point that MotoGP is catering to their support classes in 250s, and politically (not cross-national politics, but rather corporate culture politics) which has detrimentally and effectively shut out "superbike" riders (AMA, BSB, WSBK, etc).
The comparisons are made between the series' because they are derivatives of eachother. Just because you happen to hold the 'opinion' that MotoGP is the superior class, doesn't mean there are other riders in other series who are better, which if you don't realize this, you are being 'foolish".
The BSB series is held on about the trajectory compared to California. The AMA has depth both in venues and riders. Just because it’s much more popular in the UK, to feature several rounds shared by WSBK and MotoGP, doesn't necessarily lend prestige to the BSB (as you try to make the case). To me its simply means, the few tracks the BSB races on are also shared with other international series, nothing more.
The current 'wave' of young talent? More like a ripple in the pond I think. So the Brit Toesland is doing great, that's nice, I wouldn't exactly call that a wave. I hope him the best, and yes, he has been very impressive and determined, though he made a young man’s mistake, he may or may not make it MotoGP.
Do you actually watch British superbike racing? this reply suggests that you don't.
And i obviously do not think that the worst rider in motogp is better than any rider from another series, but the best from world superbikes fall in the motogp mid pack. So its pretty obvious that AMA riders are inferior compared to the majority of the motogp grid.
The comparisons are made between the series' because they are derivatives of eachother. Just because you happen to hold the 'opinion' that MotoGP is the superior class, doesn't mean there are other riders in other series who are better, which if you don't realize this, you are being 'foolish".
The BSB series is held on about the trajectory compared to California. The AMA has depth both in venues and riders. Just because it’s much more popular in the UK, to feature several rounds shared by WSBK and MotoGP, doesn't necessarily lend prestige to the BSB (as you try to make the case). To me its simply means, the few tracks the BSB races on are also shared with other international series, nothing more.
The current 'wave' of young talent? More like a ripple in the pond I think. So the Brit Toesland is doing great, that's nice, I wouldn't exactly call that a wave. I hope him the best, and yes, he has been very impressive and determined, though he made a young man’s mistake, he may or may not make it MotoGP.
Do you actually watch British superbike racing? this reply suggests that you don't.
And i obviously do not think that the worst rider in motogp is better than any rider from another series, but the best from world superbikes fall in the motogp mid pack. So its pretty obvious that AMA riders are inferior compared to the majority of the motogp grid.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 11 2007, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. Do you actually watch British superbike racing? this reply suggests that you don't.
2. And i obviously do not think that the worst rider in motogp is better than any rider from another series, but the best from world superbikes fall in the motogp mid pack. So its pretty obvious that AMA riders are inferior compared to the majority of the motogp grid.
1. Nah, I just read about it on google. (Do you actually watch the AMA?)
2. Of course, but that is not what we were debating. (red herring as usual).
The point is you say that AMA is inferior to BSB. And you also tried to make the point that the AMA is not comparable to MotoGP. I say you can draw some comparisons, afterall, many of their riders have come from national series, including the AMA. And I also rank the AMA over the BSB, though not by much and perhaps it may be even and fairly equal. You tried to point to the depth to make your case. But even MotoGP isn't all that deep, apart from the top few contenders. If any series is deep, I would say the WSBK series is deep.
2. And i obviously do not think that the worst rider in motogp is better than any rider from another series, but the best from world superbikes fall in the motogp mid pack. So its pretty obvious that AMA riders are inferior compared to the majority of the motogp grid.
1. Nah, I just read about it on google. (Do you actually watch the AMA?)
2. Of course, but that is not what we were debating. (red herring as usual).
The point is you say that AMA is inferior to BSB. And you also tried to make the point that the AMA is not comparable to MotoGP. I say you can draw some comparisons, afterall, many of their riders have come from national series, including the AMA. And I also rank the AMA over the BSB, though not by much and perhaps it may be even and fairly equal. You tried to point to the depth to make your case. But even MotoGP isn't all that deep, apart from the top few contenders. If any series is deep, I would say the WSBK series is deep.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 11 2007, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. Nah, I just read about it on google. (Do you actually watch the AMA?)
2. Of course, but that is not what we were debating. (red herring as usual).
The point is you say that AMA is inferior to BSB. And you also tried to make the point that the AMA is not comparable to MotoGP. I say you can draw some comparisons, afterall, many of their riders have come from national series, including the AMA. And I also rank the AMA over the BSB, though not by much and perhaps it may be even and fairly equal. You tried to point to the depth to make your case. But even MotoGP isn't all that deep, apart from the top few contenders. If any series is deep, I would say the WSBK series is deep.
I would consider motogp to be the deepest series because there are near enough 16 factory bikes out there and 9 world champions. The world superbike grid is ok, but i feel should be stronger as a world championship.
The reason i questioned your actual knowledge of the BSB was because when i referred to the wave of young talent, you thought i was talking about JT. In fact i was thinking more about the impact riders such as Rea, Camier, Crutchlow and Sykes are having on our domestic series.
I do in fact watch a reasonable amount of AMA racing, we are treated to the speed coverage of the superbike, Fx and supersport classes over here, so i can gather a more informed opinion.
2. Of course, but that is not what we were debating. (red herring as usual).
The point is you say that AMA is inferior to BSB. And you also tried to make the point that the AMA is not comparable to MotoGP. I say you can draw some comparisons, afterall, many of their riders have come from national series, including the AMA. And I also rank the AMA over the BSB, though not by much and perhaps it may be even and fairly equal. You tried to point to the depth to make your case. But even MotoGP isn't all that deep, apart from the top few contenders. If any series is deep, I would say the WSBK series is deep.
I would consider motogp to be the deepest series because there are near enough 16 factory bikes out there and 9 world champions. The world superbike grid is ok, but i feel should be stronger as a world championship.
The reason i questioned your actual knowledge of the BSB was because when i referred to the wave of young talent, you thought i was talking about JT. In fact i was thinking more about the impact riders such as Rea, Camier, Crutchlow and Sykes are having on our domestic series.
I do in fact watch a reasonable amount of AMA racing, we are treated to the speed coverage of the superbike, Fx and supersport classes over here, so i can gather a more informed opinion.
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Bottom line is,success in one series guarantees nothing in another.Look at Biatchi,I believe on the right bike [Ducati] he would be a podium finisher and sometimes winner in GP.He is not in WSB because of lack of talent,he is there because people got tired of his constant bickering and his inability to get along with others.He is still one of the top ten riders in the world and could easily replace any number of riders in GPyet he cant dominate WSB.On the flip side there is no guarantee that Toseland will do anything in GP.As far as Mladin being a ..... for not going GP,he has said many times that he is just to big for GP.Giving away 30 to 70 pounds on the 500 and now on the 800 would make him a middle pack rider and he would rather stay here,get rich,and win titles.I believe he would have faired pretty well on the 990 though.I picked WSB as the top because of venues and depth of riders over the AMA,but i will remind you that the AMA has produced more GP titles than any other Superbike series by a wide margin.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 11 2007, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The reason i questioned your actual knowledge of the BSB was because when i referred to the wave of young talent, you thought i was talking about JT. In fact i was thinking more about the impact riders such as Rea, Camier, Crutchlow and Sykes are having on our domestic series.
Ah, what I understood you saying is that the BSB is better than the AMA because they produced Toesland (well at least it's what I understood you implying).
As far as your list of talent in BSB, let me say, yes, those are bright boys and I wholly expect to see some in WSBK soon. Don't forget we have a few: Spies, Bostroms (already won a few WSBK), Zemke, Haydens, J. Haydes, and to a lesser extent but I think they have major promise, Disalvo, and the very spectacular Danny Eslick.
AMA vs BSB may be a toss up, but I'll take the AMA boys and obviously you'll take your BSB boys, ok, I can accept that. Would be nice to see a Trans-Atlantic Series.
Ah, what I understood you saying is that the BSB is better than the AMA because they produced Toesland (well at least it's what I understood you implying).
As far as your list of talent in BSB, let me say, yes, those are bright boys and I wholly expect to see some in WSBK soon. Don't forget we have a few: Spies, Bostroms (already won a few WSBK), Zemke, Haydens, J. Haydes, and to a lesser extent but I think they have major promise, Disalvo, and the very spectacular Danny Eslick.
AMA vs BSB may be a toss up, but I'll take the AMA boys and obviously you'll take your BSB boys, ok, I can accept that. Would be nice to see a Trans-Atlantic Series.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 11 2007, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would be nice to see a Trans-Atlantic Series.
That would be so good, they really should get on it.
Does anyone know what the situation is with the all-japan series, is it any good these days?
That would be so good, they really should get on it.
Does anyone know what the situation is with the all-japan series, is it any good these days?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 11 2007, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bottom line is,success in one series guarantees nothing in another.
As far as Mladin being a ..... for not going GP,he has said many times that he is just to big for GP.Giving away 30 to 70 pounds on the 500 and now on the 800 would make him a middle pack rider and he would rather stay here,get rich,and win titles. I believe he would have faired pretty well on the 990 though.
I picked WSB as the top because of venues and depth of riders over the AMA,but i will remind you that the AMA has produced more GP titles than any other Superbike series by a wide margin.
I agree. However, not on the Mladin issue, here is what he really said. He said he wanted to be guaranteed a fully funded factory team where he was gonna win if he moved to MotoGP in the era of 500s and 990s (during a time that 800s were not dreamed of). He said he didn't want to be grid filler. To me this is chicken ..... Not even the great Rossi got a factory ride his first year. So why should he demand a guarantee? .... him, I have not respect. No doubt he is a great rider, but he will always be remembered as the guy who never challenged himself and pussied out of the pinnacle of motorcycle racing. He will never be seen as a better rider than Hayden, even if he was, because he never chose, yes chose, to go up to GP. Ruben Xaus is not exactly a midget (probably could have played basketball), and he made a name for himself internationally, though he was never that great, at least he challenged himself, was given a factory ride, and earned the opportunity to run in an international series. Had he been better, he may have earned the right to be suited by MotoGP teams as Edwards and Bayliss were.
As far as the AMA producing GP titleholders, yes, but let me also remind you the it was a Brit that took the first three titles in the AMA. Interesting how the AMA has attracted much international talent.
As far as Mladin being a ..... for not going GP,he has said many times that he is just to big for GP.Giving away 30 to 70 pounds on the 500 and now on the 800 would make him a middle pack rider and he would rather stay here,get rich,and win titles. I believe he would have faired pretty well on the 990 though.
I picked WSB as the top because of venues and depth of riders over the AMA,but i will remind you that the AMA has produced more GP titles than any other Superbike series by a wide margin.
I agree. However, not on the Mladin issue, here is what he really said. He said he wanted to be guaranteed a fully funded factory team where he was gonna win if he moved to MotoGP in the era of 500s and 990s (during a time that 800s were not dreamed of). He said he didn't want to be grid filler. To me this is chicken ..... Not even the great Rossi got a factory ride his first year. So why should he demand a guarantee? .... him, I have not respect. No doubt he is a great rider, but he will always be remembered as the guy who never challenged himself and pussied out of the pinnacle of motorcycle racing. He will never be seen as a better rider than Hayden, even if he was, because he never chose, yes chose, to go up to GP. Ruben Xaus is not exactly a midget (probably could have played basketball), and he made a name for himself internationally, though he was never that great, at least he challenged himself, was given a factory ride, and earned the opportunity to run in an international series. Had he been better, he may have earned the right to be suited by MotoGP teams as Edwards and Bayliss were.
As far as the AMA producing GP titleholders, yes, but let me also remind you the it was a Brit that took the first three titles in the AMA. Interesting how the AMA has attracted much international talent.
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He will never be seen as a better rider than Hayden, even if he was, because he never chose, yes chose, to go up to GP. Ruben Xaus is not exactly a midget (probably could have played basketball), and he made a name for himself internationally, though he was never that great, at least he challenged himself, was given a factory ride, and earned the opportunity to run in an international series. Had he been better, he may have earned the right to be suited by MotoGP teams as Edwards and Bayliss were.
I agree to an extent.To start with,he is not and never will be as good a rider as Hayden.Hayden spanked him in his prime and moved on.Xaus was not a champion and had no bargaining power which led to a ride in GP that set back his career.Mladin was a mutiple time champion who would not settle for a .... ride just to be in GP,i cant say i blame him.And here is a something you might not know from reading this thread.I loath Mladin,i root for anyone to beat him,including that self important prick teammate of his.I just dont hate any rider,i admire them all but pull for some, more than others.
I agree to an extent.To start with,he is not and never will be as good a rider as Hayden.Hayden spanked him in his prime and moved on.Xaus was not a champion and had no bargaining power which led to a ride in GP that set back his career.Mladin was a mutiple time champion who would not settle for a .... ride just to be in GP,i cant say i blame him.And here is a something you might not know from reading this thread.I loath Mladin,i root for anyone to beat him,including that self important prick teammate of his.I just dont hate any rider,i admire them all but pull for some, more than others.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 12 2007, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mladin was a mutiple time champion who would not settle for a .... ride just to be in GP,i cant say i blame him.
I dunno, he may have been a multiple champion, but at riding inside his comfort zone in a domestic series. That doesn't really hold much weight. Nicky Hayden was spotted very young as a massive talent, and rightly so. Mladin had very little to offer the top gp teams when they could find young talented riders, riders with gp experience, and riders who have proven themselves to a larger extent than he. And for that reason i think he was too stuck up to accept a fair opportunity to prove himself on second rate kit and then get a chance on the factory stuff if he was good enough. Unless he just plain knew he wasn't good enough already.
I dunno, he may have been a multiple champion, but at riding inside his comfort zone in a domestic series. That doesn't really hold much weight. Nicky Hayden was spotted very young as a massive talent, and rightly so. Mladin had very little to offer the top gp teams when they could find young talented riders, riders with gp experience, and riders who have proven themselves to a larger extent than he. And for that reason i think he was too stuck up to accept a fair opportunity to prove himself on second rate kit and then get a chance on the factory stuff if he was good enough. Unless he just plain knew he wasn't good enough already.
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As it turns out,Mladin did race in GP. After winning the Australian Superbike title,he went GP in 93 and rode the Cagiva 500 where he did OK.He then came to America and flourished in AMA and when approached again to go GP he said no for a couple of reasons.One being,he was happy where he was,2,he was happy because they were paying him big bucks.3,he was starting a family and globe hopping was not conducive to that and 4,he had ridden a .... bike in GP and wanted no part of it again.Now maybe you can just dislike him like i do instead of Hating him for never trying GP
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 11 2007, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The World Series is currently the best, not doubt. But then it’s the AMA, period.
Very doubtful.
The problem is that there is so much money involved with this series that all the Americans are not willing to leave, including Mladin (on top of the fact that he's a ..... for not challenging his career against the MotoGP squad). Tom, that is the "trap", its money.
That is pure greed on the side of you national racers, it's disgusting they stay there for money rather than test themselves.
And Provol nailed it when he said MotoGP is severely political. Certainly there are riders in WSBK and AMA that would trump many of the MotoGP guys. But MotoGP has closed the door effectively to other talent and has begun to cater only to their 250 guys.
Can't help but agree with you. If you ain't Spanish or Italian then you don't stand a chance.
The AMA has deep talent, but the racing isn't closer because of their ...... rules that allow team Suzuki to dominate.
Deeply debatable, the races are very strung out with only 2 usual fast guys 5 or so seconds ahead of the rest...and the backmarkers...do you let club racers in?
AMA has a few ...... tracks, they are infuriating to watch, but the other lists that Povol provided are world-class venues.
You have tracks which run on concrete and massive overbanding, that is pathetic. Even Laguna is in a bit of a state, it was disintergrating during last years GP...but I do know it was very hot there, is the tarmac very brittle?
Oh, and the camera work is the shittiest on the planet. As far as ranking all the other series, I guess BSB, then the Australia’s and Canada.
Here in Blighty we run on world class circuits. Over there you run on old ...... circuits!
Very doubtful.
The problem is that there is so much money involved with this series that all the Americans are not willing to leave, including Mladin (on top of the fact that he's a ..... for not challenging his career against the MotoGP squad). Tom, that is the "trap", its money.
That is pure greed on the side of you national racers, it's disgusting they stay there for money rather than test themselves.
And Provol nailed it when he said MotoGP is severely political. Certainly there are riders in WSBK and AMA that would trump many of the MotoGP guys. But MotoGP has closed the door effectively to other talent and has begun to cater only to their 250 guys.
Can't help but agree with you. If you ain't Spanish or Italian then you don't stand a chance.
The AMA has deep talent, but the racing isn't closer because of their ...... rules that allow team Suzuki to dominate.
Deeply debatable, the races are very strung out with only 2 usual fast guys 5 or so seconds ahead of the rest...and the backmarkers...do you let club racers in?
AMA has a few ...... tracks, they are infuriating to watch, but the other lists that Povol provided are world-class venues.
You have tracks which run on concrete and massive overbanding, that is pathetic. Even Laguna is in a bit of a state, it was disintergrating during last years GP...but I do know it was very hot there, is the tarmac very brittle?
Oh, and the camera work is the shittiest on the planet. As far as ranking all the other series, I guess BSB, then the Australia’s and Canada.
Here in Blighty we run on world class circuits. Over there you run on old ...... circuits!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ May 1 2007, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can hardly call WSBK guys grid fillers
yes u could. haga, bayliss, biaggi & of course jt are the only guys i believe would or could be competitive in gps. the rest are grid fodder.
yes u could. haga, bayliss, biaggi & of course jt are the only guys i believe would or could be competitive in gps. the rest are grid fodder.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 14 2007, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yes u could. haga, bayliss, biaggi & of course jt are the only guys i believe would or could be competitive in gps. the rest are grid fodder.
Remove Gayliss and Biaggi from that list and its about right.
Remove Gayliss and Biaggi from that list and its about right.
