Will Rossi start from pit road if he uses new bike

[size="-1"]Valentino did indeed use the new aluminum-chassised Ducati 11.1 (11.1.1?) - the factory refuses to call it the 11.2. Personally I think 11.1Al would be best—then we can call him Al.[/size]

[size="-1"]Whatever we call it, we don't really know a lot about it yet, and neither does Valentino. Maybe because of the heat, he had rear grip problems and therefore it is 'difficult to understand the front.' Nick Hayden won't be getting any of this stuff until the Valencia test, but reports that Vale was very positive after the Mugello test. Puzzlingly, Nicky also said that "my engines wouldn't work in that chassis." Hmmmm.[/size]

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[size="-1"]Does that mean that Valentino is using a new engine type? If so, he'll be starting from pit lane on Sunday because he took his sixth engine from his allocation at Misano. Sure he has some early engines left, but they fit the 11.0. We'll know when the new engine list is released after qualifying tomorrow.[/size]

[size="-1"]That's assuming we ever get out today. Currently, the press office is blockaded by a large truck craning a large, new piece of electrical plant in to position. Let's hope it's for the air conditioning. [/size]

Over on Kropo's site he said the new chassis fits the gp11.1 but maybe there is a misunderstanding somewhere. Hopefully he'll see this and answer for us.

hawkdriver said:

Over on Kropo's site he said the new chassis fits the gp11.1 but maybe there is a misunderstanding somewhere. Hopefully he'll see this and answer for us.

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The new GP11.2.46 is suppose to be using the same "old" GP11.1 engine type (the one that was fitted for the sleeved 1000-200=800cc. So no, I don't think he will start from pit lane as he still has use of the GP11.1 engine types.

Or, they have slammed Nicky back on the old old bike.

It seems they have so many parts but no direction. Every time they change horses mid stream (cliché day) they put themselves back at the prototype testing phase and that is always a long was from putting a bike on the grid, but they change the parts then torture the riders by putting the bikes on the grid.



No wonder RDP is the fastest Duc so far.



And really there is no way that RDP should be ahead of Rossi or Nicky when they are the factory guys and ex world champions in the class.



AND they are at a track that Stoner won on last year having sorted the shitheap by not changing the overall concept but adapting the one they went to the first race with. I will say as a hypothetical (yes "IMO") that IF they had adapted and worked the same package instead of changing so much they might be near the front by now. Even a genuine "Boner" knows that Vale and Nick have the talent.



So I hope they have learned and go into next year with a whole year plan instead of this rubbish.

Andy Roo said:

It seems they have so many parts but no direction. Every time they change horses mid stream (cliché day) they put themselves back at the prototype testing phase and that is always a long was from putting a bike on the grid, but they change the parts then torture the riders by putting the bikes on the grid.



No wonder RDP is the fastest Duc so far.



And really there is no way that RDP should be ahead of Rossi or Nicky when they are the factory guys and ex world champions in the class.



AND they are at a track that Stoner won on last year having sorted the shitheap by not changing the overall concept but adapting the one they went to the first race with. I will say as a hypothetical (yes "IMO") that IF they had adapted and worked the same package instead of changing so much they might be near the front by now. Even a genuine "Boner" knows that Vale and Nick have the talent.



So I hope they have learned and go into next year with a whole year plan instead of this rubbish.

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I agree Andy...this ad hoc approach that they have adopted is getting them nowhere....anyone with half a brain can see that this current strategy is not condusive to improving the bike long term....so much for JB/Rossi and their legendary development skills!



However, as was stated when the same accusations of "poor development skills" were being levelled at Stoner (and still are by a few) there is only so much a rider/mechanic can do to the bike....the reponsibility lies with designers/engineers - which is now becoming increasingly obvious to even the most vocal critics of Stoner and his team....for too long the bike was unrideable to anyone but Casey yet Ducati insisted the fault lay with ALL their other riders. Too little too late is the problem Rossi and JB have inherited through Ducatis continual neglect of the feedback they were being given...as a result their entire season has been one gigantic clusterfuck and they have been chasing their tails from day one and continue to do so...



As far as Rossi having to start from pit lane I think that was always going to occur even if the GP11.1 continued with the same chassis they previously had been developing for the GP12 as it has different mounting points compared to the original GP11 incarnation...with the new aluminium "sub-frame" these engine mounting points are identical so they can continue to use the GP11.1 engine allocations but Rossi is now on the last of the 3 built for this bike (of the six engines 3 mount in the GP11 frame and 3 within the GP11.1). So it seems likely he will start from pit lane in the next few races....unless they go back to the GP11 and he can then dip into one of the three engines they had already built for the original design....what a nightmare!

What does it matter?

You could put it on pit road or pole and the result would be the same



Its laughable to me the amount of people that still believe that this bike somehow may podium just because Rossi is the rider.

I predicted that they would be a complete and utter failure this year and was absoloutely correct.

I now extend my predictions and say that Ducatis days as a competitive bike in MotoGp are over. Within 2 to 3 years of complete failure in the 1000cc class they will exit the class and go back to focusing on building overpriced, unreliable, yuppie status symbols

That above post is so ....... brillant the PS CPU posted it twice for your viewing pleasure

JohnnyKnockdown said:

What does it matter?

You could put it on pit road or pole and the result would be the same



Its laughable to me the amount of people that still believe that this bike somehow may podium just because Rossi is the rider.

I predicted that they would be a complete and utter failure this year and was absoloutely correct.

I now extend my predictions and say that Ducatis days as a competitive bike in MotoGp are over. Within 2 to 3 years of complete failure in the 1000cc class they will exit the class and go back to focusing on building overpriced, unreliable, yuppie status symbols

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I thought you were thinking harley in bold above LOL.....

I couldn't agree they may disappear purely into the showroom marque as they once were but the clock is ticking time will tell.

In a dream I'd love to see Casey on the current Duke for a couple of test days just so we can see what kind of times he could do now but alas never to happen.

Its a bit harsh Squiggle I feel saying so much for VR/JB's development skills - granted the Honda and Yama have been the winning chassis for a long time and the resources unlimited the results are on the board so this imo to date is a blimp on their resumays - their past track record is biting them at present added with the desire/belief of the fanboys expecting miracles as before makes it that much more painful to watch tbh.

Now I have been following gp's since Gardners climb have we ever seen a bike have this many development changes by 3/4 of the season ? and imo definately it should start from pit lane.

JohnnyKnockdown said:

What does it matter?

You could put it on pit road or pole and the result would be the same



Its laughable to me the amount of people that still believe that this bike somehow may podium just because Rossi is the rider.

I predicted that they would be a complete and utter failure this year and was absoloutely correct.

I now extend my predictions and say that Ducatis days as a competitive bike in MotoGp are over. Within 2 to 3 years of complete failure in the 1000cc class they will exit the class and go back to focusing on building overpriced, unreliable, yuppie status symbols

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See below ...

JohnnyKnockdown said:

That above post is so ....... brillant the PS CPU posted it twice for your viewing pleasure

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Pure ....... gold - I am one of those riders that whilst on my little Honda 600 (nickname the whipper snipper) enjoyed handing guys on 30K+ yuppie bikes their arse and I did it a few times on many of the twisties around here (Northern NSW/Gold Coast and hinterland).



Despite my desire to get an Aprilia Tuono ( more the power + riding position for my newly gifted disabilities) I have always felt that way

FTE217 said:

I thought you were thinking harley in bold above LOL.....

I couldn't agree they may disappear purely into the showroom marque as they once were but the clock is ticking time will tell.

In a dream I'd love to see Casey on the current Duke for a couple of test days just so we can see what kind of times he could do now but alas never to happen.

Its a bit harsh Squiggle I feel saying so much for VR/JB's development skills - granted the Honda and Yama have been the winning chassis for a long time and the resources unlimited the results are on the board so this imo to date is a blimp on their resumays - their past track record is biting them at present added with the desire/belief of the fanboys expecting miracles as before makes it that much more painful to watch tbh.

Now I have been following gp's since Gardners climb have we ever seen a bike have this many development changes by 3/4 of the season ? and imo definately it should start from pit lane.

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This year for all the words spoken unnecessarily and typed for no good reason it has been about the vindication of Casey Stoner.



Screw the stupid personality contests (they are for girls)



Screw the supposed Honda advantage (take Casey away and they are coming second)



Screw the developmental limitation of the Ducati and the problems (they were laughed about by JB and Vale at the start of the season)



Ducati won here last year



And now they have created a mountain of discarded parts and ideas trying to make the bike work like Casey made it work.



The scoreboard contains all the excuses anyone needs



Also - Harley know their place, yuppie fat accountant bikes for people who pretend to be wild and free in between Latte stops, turning fuel into noise without the unwanted by product of horsepower. They are moving over, Ducati are coming. Albeit from Pit lane and honestly they deserve it and have been subject to their own 'mouthtrap'

FTE217 said:

Its a bit harsh Squiggle I feel saying so much for VR/JB's development skills - granted the Honda and Yama have been the winning chassis for a long time and the resources unlimited the results are on the board so this imo to date is a blimp on their resumays - their past track record is biting them at present added with the desire/belief of the fanboys expecting miracles as before makes it that much more painful to watch tbh.

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Sorry if you misunderstood my post but I was trying to intimate that it actually has very little to do with Rossi/JBs setup skills as they have a proven track record and are probably the best on the grid at this aspect of racing...but even the "superteam" cant turn it around because of an inherently flawed motorcycle.



This is soley due to Ducatis design / engineering staff and their stubborn refusal to acknowledge the bikes shortcomings and insisting on a development path using unproven technologies. After a a gaggle of riders over the last few years have given the exact same feedback as they are getting now regarding the issues with the bike (front end problems ,understeering etc etc) they were ALL ignored and Ducati are now sadly falling way behind Yamaha and Honda as a result of this....

All understood Mr Squiggle.

Andy - getting back to your ol self on the key board, spot on with your reply !

I was just watching a show on the guys that are doing engineering and development of the GP 11. They seem very good at fabricating aesthetic accoutrements but lack any knowledge and skill when it comes to understanding how to design and build a functioning chassis. There also seems to dissagree a great deal on how to build a bike. I really don't think the builders give a .... about any sort of quality or precision workmanship. They are just in it for the money and the fame.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPdmFJm2TPQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Rossi will start from pit road tomorrow, and its because of the new bike.





http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/173118/1/valentino_rossi_breaks_engine_limit_pit_lane_start.html

They are doing it for future strategy, I'm unsure if that sits well with me. I'll have to think about it. But I predict he will be the top Ducati finisher tomorrow regardless of that pit lane start. Plus, massive amounts of air time.

Jumkie said:

They are doing it for future strategy, I'm unsure if that sits well with me. I'll have to think about it. But I predict he will be the top Ducati finisher tomorrow regardless of that pit lane start. Plus, massive amounts of air time.

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Why are you unsure if it sits well with you? He is taking a penalty and completely within the rules.

povol said:

Rossi will start from pit road tomorrow, and its because of the new bike.





http://www.crash.net...lane_start.html

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i said before where is this sport going

its not a dig a Duc i'm a old school Motorcycle World Championship follower

WTF is motogp

THE Sports as a spectacle for TV IS going backwards

what country's TV Stations are clambering to get Motogp on there schedules

i say TV Because all sports in one way or another want airtime



geez if the BBC in the UK HAVE Sold part of there existing F1 package off to $ky TV for next year wtf chance does Motogp have of staying on terrestrial TV





NONE



.... i watch WSBK.BSB.CIV< (Italian superbikes) on TV the grids are full and the support races are .... hot Too



what ...... THE Motorcycle World Championship UP ? GREED

Jumkie said:

They are doing it for future strategy, I'm unsure if that sits well with me. I'll have to think about it. But I predict he will be the top Ducati finisher tomorrow regardless of that pit lane start. Plus, massive amounts of air time.

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Yea, im not sure what your reservations are either. Do tell!

I am pretty certain that Rossi would rather start from p13 than pit lane. He is taking a penalty but is choosing when it applies. Ultimately the nature of the penalty (ie. When an additional engine is used) is about choice where the teams have two bikes. If they had only one bike, it would be a different story.