Will Lorenzo defend his MotoGP championship title this season?

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Will Jorge Lorenzo defend his MotoGP championship title this season?


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Again, I have not heard of a single plausible scenario that explains the evidence. Only flat out denial, i.e. nothing. There are people who are comfortable without rational explanation of the reality around them, lesser minds perhaps? conservative attitudes? relying in hearsay? choosing to believe what they want to believe without challenge? That's the history of human kind, most people are easy to manipulate, consent is easy to engineer for even the most ridiculous things, so this topic won't be an exception.

I know I won't make anyone change their mind, but it reassures my arguments that the opposition's reasoning (or lack of) is so weak. So that's good enough. It means I haven't missed anything relevant. Denialists will deny, that's what they do.
Your flat out denial as implausible any explanation that doesn't fit your narrative being entirely different, of course, as well as you outright ignoring anything you can't actually deny. The particularly large elephant/woolly mammoth in the room which you refuse to acknowledge is that MM won this race, defeating JL and hence depriving him of 5 points; meanwhile you contend it is plausible, in fact undeniable, that MM somehow intricately contrived a race result in a race he actually won without control of the actions of the 3 other riders involved.

Why does MM need to have any explanation for what was a race winning tactic ie a tactic which won the race?. He didn't brake check Rossi that I saw, nor make any hard passes which threatened Rossi finishing the race, why is any more required of him? Why is he uniquely required to ride at the pace of his fastest lap for the whole race and win by the largest margin possible? Rossi certainly hasn't for almost the entirety of his career. As I said, MM crashed out of a 4.1 second lead in the same race in 2014, and dnfed 6 of the next 16 races. You seem to be suggesting, as I have also said, that since he had been riding like an ..... he was obliged to keep this constant for the whole season otherwise it was unfair to Rossi's title bid. Was it unfair for Pedrosa to recover from his arm pump surgery as well?.

Dani Pedrosa, who won the previous and following races on a Repsol Honda, and was finishing 5 seconds down the field in 5th while all this tanking was going on, also did at Valencia exactly what MM claimed he did at PI, let his tyres cool and fuel load lighten and came on strong at the end of the race. There is very strong evidence that pushing too hard early on last year's Honda was not a good strategy for MM, ie 6 dnfs as I said, and he had 2 near loses early in the PI 2015 race, both staged no doubt according to your totally non-agenda driven narrative.

I can think of tactical reasons other than not crashing out of the race by pushing harder than was necessary, or possibly sustainable, for the way the race transpired in any case. If you wanted to win this race the thing to do was not to let Iannone with his superior straight line performance have a shot at you close to the end of the last lap, which he managed to execute to take 3rd from Valentino. JL specifically, if politely, said he didn't want to contest Iannone on the last lap for fear of being taken out, and also that he considered it likely that it would be Iannone contesting him. Having JL to deal with rather than Iannone wouldn't be a bad plan if it was one.

Most of all your boy Valentino, being perhaps smarter than you (I am actually not sure whether that is argumentum ad hominem btw) on the evidence of the last race and even the race in which he crashed out is fairly evidently addressing exactly what I myself said, in the very prolonged course of our discussions last season, was the weakness of the tactics/strategy which have pretty much been his career-long approach and and have served him so well, and is attempting to win from the front or at least be near the front from the start of races. In current circumstances/against the current top riders, particularly Jorge on his good days, having to come through the field late is simply not an optimal strategy, and as I have previously pointed out time/distance gained by being faster early counts no less than that gained by being faster late.
 
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That is not speculation. If it is not what you want to hear that's your problem.

But by all means carry on with your denial if that's what you want to think.

I haven't heard any other plausible scenario that explains the facts.

Again, I have not heard of a single plausible scenario that explains the evidence.

And you say WE are the ones in denial?!

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No. Because the false accusations scenario does not make logical sense. It just doens't. There is just no reason for Rossi to do that, it's completely ridiculous. You may disagree with Rossi of course, but you have to assume at least that he believed what he was saying. You have Iannone backing his claims and Rossi on record saying Alzamora himself confirmed to him that Marquez was doing "it" for Argentina, which Alzamora never denied.
Are you saying that you believe it unthinkable that Rossi would lie? What reason do you have believe that he, or indeed anyone, is incapable of being dishonest?
 
Are you saying that you believe it unthinkable that Rossi would lie? What reason do you have believe that he, or indeed anyone, is incapable of being dishonest?
His problem was claiming to be using logic. Unless Rossi is who some of his fans appear to think he is, he is human and potentially flawed, like everyone else.

Standards of scientific evidence do not apply to this situation imo, given what is being postulated by any party is not an hypothesis concerning a matter of science, and nor are any dispassionate scientists involved trying to prove or disprove any hypotheses in the interests of scientific progress and/or a general spirit of inquiry as far as I am aware.

Removing such verbiage, it is perhaps not unreasonable to suspect that Rossi hoped to influence future events such as his further progress towards a long wished for 10th title by putting his version of previous events forward, unless it is being suggested that he discarded all ambition in bike racing to become a crusader for justice. Could he have believed what he contended? Sure. The possibility that his view was incorrect also exists, among other possibilities.
 
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What a shame that a wonderful race last season at Phillip Island has been so thoroughly corrupted by Rossi's petulant little outburst which in turn leads devoted fans to create spurious spreadsheets that attempt to highlight a conspiracy through cold stats and not take into account the ebb and flow performances of man and machine over the course of a race.

Those watching the race with the riders body language, inclination of helmeted head, stability of bike etc have a far better handle on how a race is playing out and what a riders intentions are than a clinical spreadsheet.

Just like those who with little or no experience could identify that when Rossi was entering a right hand corner in Sepang, him looking over his left shoulder clearly highlighted that he wasn't interested in the racing line but the individual on his left hand side.

Rossi's paranoid accusations of Marquez at PI, naturally pissed of MM. And hence when they next met at Sepang, MM was motivated (more than ever) to want to beat VR. Hence he would try to overtake VR who would then claw back to overtake MM. If MM attacked that race with even more determination than before, Rossi only had himself to blame for calling Marquez a cheat.
 
Those watching the race with the riders body language, inclination of helmeted head, stability of bike etc have a far better handle on how a race is playing out and what a riders intentions are than a clinical spreadsheet.

That is strictly your opinion. There are data miners for a reason.
 
That is strictly your opinion. There are data miners for a reason.

Well if he was that fastidious about detail Tom, you'd think he would've at least spelt Viñales name correctly.
 
Well if he was that fastidious about detail Tom, you'd think he would've at least spelt Viñales name correctly.

Yes, BUT, I never said he was fastidious about detail, lol. I'm just saying that I feel data mining has an interesting role in the current state of racing, whether it be Motogp or F1.
 
I'm just saying that I feel data mining has an interesting role in the current state of racing, whether it be Motogp or F1.

Absolutely agree...providing you have the correct tools to extract and process it.
 
Depends what team they work for. My friend worked for Tech3 and moved to VDS last year. He wanted to move to Repsol Honda when Stoner signed for them (He claims Stoner asked for him) but it didn't work out. Had he got that gig, he'd have had a considerable raise.
 
5 races into the season and the way it looks now i would say its gonna be a yamaha-rossi-lorenzo season again. After the past 2 races, the way yamaha have dominated, i wouldnt doubt its gonna go down to a rossi-lorenzo battle again.
 
I originally voted no thinking no way Honda ..... it up again but they have. If they don't fix the bike in the next 2-3 races, Lorenzo will smoke Rossi's ... for the title. That is unless they decide to take away the new tire for "safety reasons "
 
Did Rossi say Honda/Marquez was sandbagging a couple of races ago when Marquez won at COTA?
 
Hi everyone I'm new to the forum. Didn't know a MotoGP forum existed, cant think of anything better!

Just my opinion, but I think Lorenzo has struggled too much this year to have a title chance primarily because of his struggle with the new Michelin tyres.

His smooth fast and precise riding style demands a lot of faith in the tyres grip levels. he doesn't like to push tyres past their limit to find out where that limit is like say Marquez or Stoner do. I think the lack of feedback he is getting from the tyres is making it impossible for him to gain confidence with them and go fast with his natural riding style.

I don't know how he will go well next season either, I just don't think the Ducati chassis is going to help him gain more confidence with the tyres compared to the Yamaha. I may eat my words but just my two cents.
 
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We need a new poll!



Not that you didn't dig this old chestnut up on purpose eh Dani?
Wonder if this question was asked about Rossi in 2010?
Amazing how you minions have the gall to call non Rossi fans haters, when your hatred shines through like a beacon.
 
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Not that you didn't dig this old chestnut up on purpose eh Dani?
Wonder if this question was asked about Rossi in 2010?
Amazing how you minions have the gall to call non Rossi fans haters, when your hatred shines through like a beacon.
Eh? What's all that about??? I merely happened to notice that this particular poll has passed it's sell by date. Especially as your chosen one is not the defending champ. Make a new one I say.
 
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