Wild Card Rides for WSBK USA race

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 28 2009, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can you imagine the PR nightmare of having Spies & Mladin come 1-2 at a "World" superbike event. Uhm I think I just answered your question.
That was my thoughts also, but that would eliminate any conspiracies concerning dirty dealings on DMG's part, wouldnt it ? If im following what your saying,it would look bad for WSBK for Spies to already be kicking world ... and Mladin come in and do the same. We might have to cut DMG some slack on this one as much as i hate to. If we are not careful,we can make RE out to be the George Bush of motorcycle racing.You know,where everything bad that happens on the planet is his fault.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 28 2009, 06:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That was my thoughts also, but that would eliminate any conspiracies concerning dirty dealings on DMG's part, wouldnt it ? If im following what your saying,it would look bad for WSBK for Spies to already be kicking world ... and Mladin come in and do the same. We might have to cut DMG some slack on this one as much as i hate to. If we are not careful,we can make RE out to be the George Bush of motorcycle racing.You know,where everything bad that happens on the planet is his fault.
Pov, are you familiar with the phrase: the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Well in this case DMG and Miller are enemies (ATM), so I don't think it would be to far fetched for DMG to call WSBK or Perilli and conjure up some way to impede AMA riders from entering WSBK. DMG gets their revenge and WSBK save face. We get screwed, but hey, that's so far been the status quo, .... on the fans whenever possible if it means some gain or political power for the executives. Yes, all speculative and conspiracy theory, but if your girl is seen coming out of a hotel room on several other occasions, you better start thinking the worse.

This is just racing buddy, its not as serious as war and looting of the country. BTW, all these bailouts and .... of banks continue and the grandstanding over chump change fails to address the real robbers of wealth. The looting continues, we are all ....... (Hey, there I go, how about we agree to shelve the political thing so we can talk about the trivial, I'm sick of all this .... happening, I know it will be the end of our country, so that's why I'm here, concentration on the escape from reality.)

Lets get back to AMA racing, and opinions, theories, and ........ nobody cares about except three to four addicted individuals on this forum.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 27 2009, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Which leads to a totally different discussion. What would DMG have to offer WSBK for all of a sudden changing their deadline by almost a full month. Who has more to gain OR Lose,if say Mladin and Bostrom were to be wild cards or on the other hand locked out because of an impossible deadline.Between WSBK and DMG who gains or loses if we have wild cards or if we dont get to have wildcards.Discuss

Nothing. The AMA doesn't even have enough power to get Dunlop to bring rain tires to a Supersport event.

What is more probable?

1. The AMA has the power to control a tire manufacturer in WSBK.

2. The AMA/Miller and Miller/WSBK contracts had special privileges for AMA riders, now that the contract has fallen through, the privileges are gone as well.

Are you smarter than a 5th grader?

Povol
If seems to me your making out Edmonson to be the Obama of motorcycle racing not
the George Bush.
He's implementing sweeping changes to try to fix a completely ...... up system and
you have done nothing but lambast him and his solutions before actually seeing if
what he is trying to achieve may be profitable and watchable.
How many more threads do we need to create to point out the doom and gloom of the AMA.
Edmonson has become the new Casey Stoner of Powerslide.net. 50 threads all discussing the
same thing.
I'm still going to give Edmonson at least half a season to prove to me that what he is doing either doesn't work or doesn't appeal to me. I keep trying to look at the bigger picture and remember
that the AMA as we knew it was practically unwatchable.
Everyone is focused on the Buell, but what's going to happen if and when Chaz Davies
gets delivery of the RSV4 later on this year. I had a conversation with him at Daytona and he
was hoping to get one some time this summer. Chaz has as much talent as the top 5 riders in that class. Danny NASlick is still an unproven rider. If Chaz was put on a bike with as much HP as
the Buell I think he would come out on top every time. The Aprilia could soon be the bike kicking
everybody's ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Mar 28 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Povol
If seems to me your making out Edmonson to be the Obama of motorcycle racing not
the George Bush.
He's implementing sweeping changes to try to fix a completely ...... up system and
you have done nothing but lambast him and his solutions before actually seeing if
what he is trying to achieve may be profitable and watchable.
How many more threads do we need to create to point out the doom and gloom of the AMA.
Edmonson has become the new Casey Stoner of Powerslide.net. 50 threads all discussing the
same thing.
I'm still going to give Edmonson at least half a season to prove to me that what he is doing either doesn't work or doesn't appeal to me. I keep trying to look at the bigger picture and remember
that the AMA as we knew it was practically unwatchable.
Everyone is focused on the Buell, but what's going to happen if and when Chaz Davies
gets delivery of the RSV4 later on this year. I had a conversation with him at Daytona and he
was hoping to get one some time this summer. Chaz has as much talent as the top 5 riders in that class. Danny NASlick is still an unproven rider. If Chaz was put on a bike with as much HP as
the Buell I think he would come out on top every time. The Aprilia could soon be the bike kicking
everybody's ....

They're going to run the RSV4 in DSB?

I'm looking now at the specs of the Mille vs the RSV4. The Mille is a 2 cylinder and the RSV a 4 cylinder. The RSV is putting out 180HP stock and the Mille putting out 140HP. Maybe Chaz was referring to the RSV being used in the superbike class.
I don't know anything about the Aprilia's so I did not question what I was told but now after
looking at the RSV specs I can hardly believe that they would allow it to race in the Sportbike
class.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 28 2009, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They're going to run the RSV4 in DSB?

Wouldn't doubt it, at this point...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Mar 28 2009, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Povol
If seems to me your making out Edmonson to be the Obama of motorcycle racing not
the George Bush.
He's implementing sweeping changes to try to fix a completely ...... up system and
you have done nothing but lambast him and his solutions before actually seeing if
what he is trying to achieve may be profitable and watchable.
How many more threads do we need to create to point out the doom and gloom of the AMA.
Edmonson has become the new Casey Stoner of Powerslide.net. 50 threads all discussing the
same thing.
I'm still going to give Edmonson at least half a season to prove to me that what he is doing either doesn't work or doesn't appeal to me. I keep trying to look at the bigger picture and remember
that the AMA as we knew it was practically unwatchable.
Everyone is focused on the Buell, but what's going to happen if and when Chaz Davies
gets delivery of the RSV4 later on this year. I had a conversation with him at Daytona and he
was hoping to get one some time this summer. Chaz has as much talent as the top 5 riders in that class. Danny NASlick is still an unproven rider. If Chaz was put on a bike with as much HP as
the Buell I think he would come out on top every time. The Aprilia could soon be the bike kicking
everybody's ....

I will NEVER be a fan of this rule package.I dont care if they have 10 bikes with a photo finish every week.I dont like stock Superbikes and i will never like prototype,liquid cooled 1125 cc bikes running against stock 600's in the name of profit. This is not professional racing. Its like one of those ....... weekly reality shows that i detest.Its not about competition,its about entertaining people who grew up in a society where everyone has to feel good about themselves and everyone has to be equal,regardless of the ....... extremes it takes to make everybody equal.But that just me.Im old school.,I grew up in an era where if you were not good enough to compete,.... you,go home.

How the .... do we get from Wild Card for WSBK (which will be maybe one or two, and from teams like M4 and Jordan than Yoshimura and any WSBK fielding a bike for a AMA rider) to another thread about how the AMA-DMG have their head's up their ... in the world of motorcycle racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 28 2009, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I will NEVER be a fan of this rule package.I dont care if they have 10 bikes with a photo finish every week.I dont like stock Superbikes and i will never like prototype,liquid cooled 1125 cc bikes running against stock 600's in the name of profit. This is not professional racing. Its like one of those ....... weekly reality shows that i detest.Its not about competition,its about entertaining people who grew up in a society where everyone has to feel good about themselves and everyone has to be equal,regardless of the ....... extremes it takes to make everybody equal.But that just me.Im old school.,I grew up in an era where if you were not good enough to compete,.... you,go home.

First, I don't think that the Superbikes are as stock as the appear, but they are 100% production. Pegram is on a WSBK spec 1098R. I have a strange feeling all of the Corse 1-offs that squeeze the last 10 hp out of the 1200cc lump have been removed, but the bike is still fast. Pegram isn't the fastest, but plenty of machines/riders are beating him handily.

The new Superbike rules package was designed to do 2 things:

1. Stop teams from buying championships by spending tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars squeezing the last few hp out of the engine/electronics.

2. Allow all teams to purchase factory spec equipment by requiring manufacturers to run their parts through a third party. There is still an incentive to find smart performance upgrades but the days of basement prototyping expensive titanium bits is over.

Something has been lost, but it that something was bleeding to death anyway.

Also, DSB is a sham now, but the class is inherently good, imo. How do people buy sportbikes? It's usually based upon the amount of power, not the displacement. I prefer my bikes to be somewhere in the 100-125hp range. I have a Honda 919 and it is by far the best bike I have ever owned. It makes all of it's power below 8k rpm, it has a sea of low-end torque, and you can thrash the bike for 60,000 miles before it gives up. (16k between valve tweaks, too)

Fully-faired middleweights of today are the exact opposite. They are built with racing traction control in mind, and imo, they are horribly taxing to ride. They have a short stroke and every piece has been lightened so they don't hold revs. Without engine braking or a toasty slipper clutch, it is miserable.

What happened and why is everyone so pleased with what road racing has done to the motorcycle industry in the U.S.?

How many kids start off on 600s only to find out it's damn near impossible to ride without prior experience. How many people crash because they buy sportsbikes with ridiculously aggressive geometry? How many motorcyclists are lost each year because they wreck an over-priced repli-racer they bought on credit?! How many motorcyclists give up on track days because they find out their 600 wasn't meant to be ridden on the limit for any length of time?!

DSB will also allow manufacturers to play with drive systems if they are so inclined. Shaft drive and belt drive have a lot of potential and they are virtually 0 maintenance. The new o-ring chains are great, but they still ruin easily if they see rain but little maintenance.

Motorcycling is stuck in a tiny box and sportsbikes get less enjoyable year after year. If DSB succeeds perhaps things will change a bit. They need an HP rule in that class or at least some sort of formula for allowable HP variance, but they are headed in the right direction, imo.

Miller has taken another tack.

Even if we've never heard of any of the USBA riders, the GTO class (run what ya brung!) sounds interesting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Miller Motorsports Park Adds Larry H. Miller Superbike Challenge to World Superbike Weekend

TOOELE VALLEY, UTAH (April 2, 2009) ? Miller Motorsports Park and the Utah SportBike Association (USBA) announced today that the Larry H. Miller Superbike Challenge will serve as a support event to the HANNspree FIM Superbike World Championship and FIM World Supersport Championship over the weekend of May 29-31, 2009.

The Larry H. Miller Superbike Challenge will be comprised of two USBA classes, GTO and GTU, each of which will have a separate 30-minute race. The USBA is planning to offer a significant purse for both races, details of which will be announced in the near future.

All riders competing in these races must be AMA license-holding, Expert-level riders. The entry fee will be $200 per race. Entrants can register and obtain USBA rules and regulation at www.UtahSBA.com . Each race will be limited to 40 entries.

"We are very pleased to be able to add the Larry H. Miller Superbike Challenge to our HANNspree FIM Superbike World Championship weekend," said Miller Motorsports Park Director of Racing Mitch Wright. "We host the USBA Masters of the Mountains championship here each year, and those races attract the best riders from throughout the western United States and Canada. The USBA runs a tight ship and the races are always very competitive. We think our fans will enjoy this addition to our program, and might be surprised at some of the racers and teams they will find on the entry list."

"It is an honor for the USBA to serve as a support event for the World Superbike weekend at Miller Motorsports Park," said Lance Lee, President of the USBA. "This is an unbelievable opportunity for our teams and racers to showcase their talent in front of some of the best teams, riders and fans in the world, and we are really looking forward to it. We appreciate the management and staff at Miller Motorsports Park for allowing us to be part of the best motorcycle racing weekend of the year in North America."

The GTO race is open to motorcycles of unlimited displacement and origin, with forced induction (e.g., turbo- or super-charging) allowed only for bikes under 750cc displacement. The GTU race is open to bikes that are (a) up to 430cc, two or more cylinder, two-stroke, unlimited origin; ( up to 550cc, two or more cylinder, two-stroke, if the frame is from a motorcycle manufactured for street use in North America; © up to 550cc, single-cylinder, two-stroke, unlimited origin; (d) up to 675cc, three-cylinder, four-stroke, liquid-cooled; and (e) up to 640cc, four-cylinder, liquid-cooled; (f) up to 850cc, two-cylinder, four-stroke, four or more valves per cylinder, liquid-cooled; (g) up to 900cc, three or more cylinder, four-stroke, air-cooled; (h) unlimited displacement, air-cooled, two-cylinder, four-stroke, two or three valves per cylinder; or (i) unlimited displacement, single-cylinder, four-stroke, unlimited origin. Forced induction (e.g., turbo- or super-charging) is not allowed in GTU.

The HANNspree FIM Superbike World Championship returns to Miller Motorsports Park over the weekend of May 29-31, 2009, and will be joined by the FIM World Supersport Championship. Tickets for the event are on sale now at www.MMPTix.com

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Apr 3 2009, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Miller has taken another tack.

Even if we've never heard of any of the USBA riders, the GTO class (run what ya brung!) sounds interesting.
indeed...

How "stock" is this?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/fiftyninegrand.htm

Mladin's bike For Sale: $59,000

This will be the final race weekend for Suzuki's 2008 GSX-R1000 in the hands of the Yosh lads. It can all be yours though ...

This just in:

Mat Mladin Race Bike for Sale
$59,000
2008 GSX-R 1000 Mat Mladin Race bike:
Able to pick up from Road Atlanta after Race.


Engine Specs
_ AMA Superbike Spec Engine
_ Yoshimura camshafts
_ Yoshimura racing head gasket
_ Increased compression
_ Fully Ported and polished cylinder head
_ Yoshimura Race oil pan
_ Yoshimura Inner Rotor, Generator and Cover
_ Yoshimura Full Titanium Carbon Fiber R77 Exhaust system
_ EM Pro ECU with Race harness
_ BMC Racing air filter

Chassis Specs
_ Front Forks: Ohlins FGK pressurized internals
_ Brembo Mono-Block 4-Piston Calipers
_ 310mm Brembo Front Brake Rotors
_ Braided stainless steel brake lines
_ Yoshimura Triple Clamp, Offset / Caster assembly
_ Ohlins Steering Damper
_ Sharkskinz Fiberglass Cowling
_ Zero Gravity wind screen
_ JB Power Forged Magnesium wheels
_ Front 17 x 3.50
_ Rear 17 x 6.00
_ Ohlins TTX Shock
_ RK Chain, 520 racing chain
_ AFAM Sprocket
_ Galfer Rear Wave rotor
_ Motec ADL 2 Data logger / GPS, and Harness

Melissa Paris to ride at Miller....

http://www.roadracerx.com/news/melissa-par...o-race-mmp-wss/


(Sorry if this is old news...I just saw it last night.)

She's probably be last, but its a great marketing move for Miller.

Girl Power is always an attention getter for any male dominated sport. look at danika patrick
But its a smart marketing move next thing you know Melissa paris will be more of a house hold name than Ben Spies

Hacking, Zemke And Paris To Race At Utah World Superbike Round

LINK

-Hacking to replace Tamada on the green machine.
-Zemkie to replace Hopkins on the Stiggy Honda.
-Paris to ride a wild card in WSS.
-speculation of Nieto replacing Max N. on Suzuki.
-Lanzi to replace Laconi on the DFX Ducati. LINK

Its very troubling to see the need for so many replacement riders. I'm glad to see our boys participating, but I feel for the riders that are down.


Go Zemke
Go Hacking
Go <strike>Mladin</strike> oh wait, he pussied out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 21 2009, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its very troubling to see the need for so many replacement riders. I'm glad to see our boys participating, but I feel for the riders that are down.


Go Zemke
Go Hacking
Go <strike>Mladin</strike> oh wait, he pussied out.

Well said

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 21 2009, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its very troubling to see the need for so many replacement riders. I'm glad to see our boys participating, but I feel for the riders that are down.


Go Zemke
Go Hacking
Go <strike>Mladin</strike> oh wait, he pussied out.

I'd have loved to be "the fly on the wall" when Mladin gave his reasons
for not taking the offer.