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Wild Card Rides for WSBK USA race

i think it would be brilliant if all the top ama guys signed up. see em run around in a real superbike race & give mud & dmg a big style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif it's doubtful the teams will spend the dosh to do so but you never know.
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Oh snap!! I said this in another thread about a week ago. I would love to see Mladin take Max's Zuki and watch him and Spies sail off into the distance like good old days. Well not that good, I actually like close racing, but I would like to make this one exception
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mladin wouldn't cut it in wsb, the suzuki ain't the best bike out there and the racing would be too close for him. plus he's a knob.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Craig3089 @ Mar 25 2009, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>mladin wouldn't cut it in wsb, the suzuki ain't the best bike out there and the racing would be too close for him. plus he's a knob.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 25 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think it would be brilliant if all the top ama guys signed up. see em run around in a real superbike race & give mud & dmg a big style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif it's doubtful the teams will spend the dosh to do so but you never know.
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5 bucks says DMG have already crafted underdealings to keep top AMA riders away.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 25 2009, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>5 bucks says DMG have already crafted underdealings to keep top AMA riders away.
What do you mean by underdealing.Paying them to stay away? Threatening them if they try,or flat out forbidding them.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 25 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What do you mean by underdealing.Paying them to stay away? Threatening them if they try,or flat out forbidding them.

That's why I called it "crafting". I don't know how exactly, but you can bet your ... DMG is thinking about it. It has to be 'crafty' so nobody will notice.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 25 2009, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's why I called it "crafting". I don't know how exactly, but you can bet your ... DMG is thinking about it. It has to be 'crafty' so nobody will notice.
Well something happened,the deadline was April 24th and now its tomorrow.

Deadline Change for Miller Motorsports Park

World Superbike and World Supersport Wild Card Applications


TOOELE VALLEY, UTAH (March 25, 2009) ? Miller Motorsports Park was informed today by Infront Motor Sports, organizers of the FIM HANNspree Superbike World Championship and World Supersport Championship, that the deadline for Wild Card applications for the USA Round must be moved up to March 27.

The reason for the change is due to the fact that Pirelli is shipping tires from Italy to Utah on that date, and for planning purposes all applications must be received by that date.

Fees associated with Wild Card entries are as follows: Entry Fee: 1,000 Euros; Tire Fee: 5,000 Euros (Superbike), 2,900 Euros (Supersport).

The USA Round will take place over the weekend of May 29-31, 2009. The Application is available at www.millermotorsportspark.com/pdf/WildCard_PreApplicationForm.pdf . Completed forms and supporting information should be sent to:

Mitch Wright, Director of Racing
Miller Motorsports Park
2901 N. Sheep Lane
Tooele, UT 84074
FAX: (435) 277-8008
Email: [email protected]

ENDS
 
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good call jumkie you hit the nail right on the head! must have got on the horn to the flaminis & cut a deal of somekind. 3 days instead of a month... so no good wildcard rides it seems.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 26 2009, 09:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well something happened,the deadline was April 24th and now its tomorrow.

Deadline Change for Miller Motorsports Park

World Superbike and World Supersport Wild Card Applications


TOOELE VALLEY, UTAH (March 25, 2009) ? Miller Motorsports Park was informed today by Infront Motor Sports, organizers of the FIM HANNspree Superbike World Championship and World Supersport Championship, that the deadline for Wild Card applications for the USA Round must be moved up to March 27.

The reason for the change is due to the fact that Pirelli is shipping tires from Italy to Utah on that date, and for planning purposes all applications must be received by that date.

Fees associated with Wild Card entries are as follows: Entry Fee: 1,000 Euros; Tire Fee: 5,000 Euros (Superbike), 2,900 Euros (Supersport).

The USA Round will take place over the weekend of May 29-31, 2009. The Application is available at www.millermotorsportspark.com/pdf/WildCard_PreApplicationForm.pdf . Completed forms and supporting information should be sent to:

Mitch Wright, Director of Racing
Miller Motorsports Park
2901 N. Sheep Lane
Tooele, UT 84074
FAX: (435) 277-8008
Email: [email protected]

ENDS

The AMA deal probably contained a proviso where x number of riders were going to be boosted into WSBK. It's much cheaper than running an AMA race and it's still good publicity. Now that DMG aren't paying for x entrants, WSBK/Miller need the money upfront before Pirelli delivers the goods.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 26 2009, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The AMA deal probably contained a proviso where x number of riders were going to be boosted into WSBK. It's much cheaper than running an AMA race and it's still good publicity. Now that DMG aren't paying for x entrants, WSBK/Miller need the money upfront before Pirelli delivers the goods.

Dude, they need the "money up front"? Haha, how many entrants did you imagine might apply? We are talking about 2 maybe 3 max. I think they can front the Euros if needed.

Anyway, it smells fishy. Look at the sequence of events. DMG cancels AMA round. Press release comes out about Wild Card aps. Next day they (for all intents and purposes) close down the application process. Uhm, can somebody say 'back room deal'. Perhaps the kind that a certain DMG CEO could and would pull off? Does Edmundson have any Pirelli or WSBK contacts? I guess they figured if they can pull some strings and reduce the time for applicants, then these teams won't have enough time to raise the money to enter as wild cards. An I don't think it would have been that hard to raise 1000 Euros plus the 5k for tires to see another American at home against the world riders. Hell, a dinner and a meet and greet would have covered all the cost and then some. But now its over. I don't know what's the "real" reason they changed the dead line, but you can bet it was NOT Miller's idea. So here we have a situation where DMG vs Miller is again leaving the American fans out in the cold and trampled by the fall out left in the wake of DMG's pride to get their way or suffer the consequences.

Geez, as if we need more .... to pile on.

Hey lex, stop looking for the official press release, you're not gonna find it. (What happened to you man, this LexFiles .... use to be your member persona, but now when it rather obvious you suddenly can't read between the lines?)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 26 2009, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dude, they need the "money up front"? Haha, how many entrants did you imagine might apply? We are talking about 2 maybe 3 max. I think they can front the Euros if needed.

Anyway, it smells fishy. Look at the sequence of events. DMG cancels AMA round. Press release comes out about Wild Card aps. Next day they (for all intents and purposes) close down the application process. Uhm, can somebody say 'back room deal'. Perhaps the kind that a certain DMG CEO could and would pull off? Does Edmundson have any Pirelli or WSBK contacts? I guess they figured if they can pull some strings and reduce the time for applicants, then these teams won't have enough time to raise the money to enter as wild cards. An I don't think it would have been that hard to raise 1000 Euros plus the 5k for tires to see another American at home against the world riders. Hell, a dinner and a meet and greet would have covered all the cost and then some. But now its over. I don't know what's the "real" reason they changed the dead line, but you can bet it was NOT Miller's idea. So here we have a situation where DMG vs Miller is again leaving the American fans out in the cold and trampled by the fall out left in the wake of DMG's pride to get their way or suffer the consequences.

Geez, as if we need more .... to pile on.

Hey lex, stop looking for the official press release, you're not gonna find it. (What happened to you man, this LexFiles .... use to be your member persona, but now when it rather obvious you suddenly can't read between the lines?)

Real conspiracies are rare and it's usually pretty easy to find if you know when and where to look. Jumk, you don't have a conspiracy working, you are blaming a series of unpopular events on an intransigent leadership figure. There is no emphasis on creating a system that will render success, only a desire for populist policy. Hmmmm........sounds eerily close to your politics, actually.

Anywho, I think the DMG contract may have made provisions for as many as 5 riders. Zemke, Hayes, and Bostrom in WSS seem like good wild card entries. Two were probably reserved for Superbike---don't know for whom, though.

What is happening doesn't appear to be beyond the realm of reason. DMG and Miller had a deadline to meet. They pushed negotiations back as far as they could, but Miller probably must have an FIM crew and wild card list by today if DMG are not contractually obligated to provide them.

If you wanna start a conspiracy you need to start with Buell, Harley Davidson, and the DSB class. Then you need to start making some predictions that come true.

Here I'll get you started:

DMG are attempting to fix the sport so Buell wins. Why? Harley has promised an endless supply of advertising dollars. Hacking was suspended because he has the championship lead.

Problem: DiSalvo wasn't suspended as well.

Prediction: DiSalvo will be suspended or DQ'ed at the first available opportunity. Harley Davidson ads will begin to appear regularly on AMA prime time.

Now parlay that into the circumstantial evidence at Miller. Good luck, you know I'm wishing you the best.
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The date was moved up because Pirelli needs to have a set tire allocation by then, so they know how many tires they need to bring.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noodlerizer @ Mar 26 2009, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The date was moved up because Pirelli needs to have a set tire allocation by then, so they know how many tires they need to bring.
if they say so...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noodlerizer @ Mar 26 2009, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The date was moved up because Pirelli needs to have a set tire allocation by then, so they know how many tires they need to bring.
That sounds like a crock of ....,What they said was they were shipping the tires on that date. Exactly how long does it take to ship a container of tires from Europe to the United States.Talking about the proverbial slow boat.We have gone from overnight specials in GP, to it takes a month to get tire half way around the world for WSBK. Im calling .........
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 27 2009, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That sounds like a crock of ....,What they said was they were shipping the tires on that date. Exactly how long does it take to ship a container of tires from Europe to the United States.Talking about the proverbial slow boat.We have gone from overnight specials in GP, to it takes a month to get tire half way around the world for WSBK. Im calling .........Also, it's not like manufacturing + shipping time would have magically changed by a month. Clearly something more changed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Mar 27 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also, it's not like manufacturing + shipping time would have magically changed by a month. Clearly something more changed.
Ding ding ding. Yup, that is right. I mean c'mon, these guys plan everything out, now all of a sudden negotiations break down, the boys had a months to apply then its reduced to, hey you need to apply by tomorrow now!? Uhm WTF Ok, yeah, so I'm now suppose to believe they had a brain fart regarding the month AMA applicants had for wild cards? Nah, I'm not that dumb. This whole thing smells fishy, and the stench smells like DMG. (Yes of course, all speculative, but that what we call reading between the lines).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 27 2009, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ding ding ding. Yup, that is right. I mean c'mon, these guys plan everything out, now all of a sudden negotiations break down, the boys had a months to apply then its reduced to, hey you need to apply by tomorrow now!? Uhm WTF Ok, yeah, so I'm now suppose to believe they had a brain fart regarding the month AMA applicants had for wild cards? Nah, I'm not that dumb. This whole thing smells fishy, and the stench smells like DMG. (Yes of course, all speculative, but that what we call reading between the lines).

Which leads to a totally different discussion. What would DMG have to offer WSBK for all of a sudden changing their deadline by almost a full month. Who has more to gain OR Lose,if say Mladin and Bostrom were to be wild cards or on the other hand locked out because of an impossible deadline.Between WSBK and DMG who gains or loses if we have wild cards or if we dont get to have wildcards.Discuss
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 27 2009, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Which leads to a totally different discussion. What would DMG have to offer WSBK for all of a sudden changing their deadline by almost a full month. Who has more to gain OR Lose,if say Mladin and Bostrom were to be wild cards or on the other hand locked out because of an impossible deadline.Between WSBK and DMG who gains or loses if we have wild cards or if we dont get to have wildcards.Discuss
Can you imagine the PR nightmare of having Spies & Mladin come 1-2 at a "World" superbike event. Uhm I think I just answered your question.
 

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