Why nicky may not be gone from HRC/Honda

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jul 7 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is the $64000 question...and the answer in my view is NO...


The Conspirasy therory excuse lives on! I love it


No...I think they will give him a nice pot of money to run 1 year at the Scot team and then a big money and technical package to either be the #1 WSBK or AMA rider....keep in mind BMW is in WSBK for 2009, so HRC will want to make a full official return soon...

I don't see Nick as the money hungry type. It doesn't look like you need a lot to live in Owensburrow, KY and doesn't he still live with his parents . Nick seems like he is still hungry to win I don't see him chasing the dollar yet, although business is business.

As far as the conspiracy theory goes, detuning his engine so that he couldn't beat Pedrosa would be pretty far fetched hence why I put the face in there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 7 2008, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My little brother bought an R6 three weeks ago (his first bike)

understand, it's a shame the IDIOTIC corporation gives their excellent product a bad name

R6 for a first bike How does that make big brother feel?

I always wanted a CBR600rr, I don't think that it would be my first choice anymore. I currently own a Yamaha and couldn't be happier although I have no loyalty, its whomever makes the best, cheapest bike gets my purchase. Not sure if that makes sense. But I want solid performance, reliability, and comfort all at a bargain rate

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 7 2008, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>R6 for a first bike How does that make big brother feel?
big brothers 1st streetbike was a GSXR1100, which makes little brother much smarter

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 7 2008, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rock..anytime you wanna line up your 1098 and run nonstop against my Honda till one blows up...let me know

Bring extra cash for hotel stay while the Duc is in the shop
Curve don't start or you might have a knock at the door from the family.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 7 2008, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>understand, it's a shame the IDIOTIC corporation gives their excellent product a bad name
Too true.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 7 2008, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't see Nick as the money hungry type. It doesn't look like you need a lot to live in Owensburrow, KY and doesn't he still live with his parents . Nick seems like he is still hungry to win I don't see him chasing the dollar yet, although business is business.

As far as the conspiracy theory goes, detuning his engine so that he couldn't beat Pedrosa would be pretty far fetched hence why I put the face in there.
I would agree that Nicky is in it to win, not for the paycheck. That doesn't mean he'll ride for free either though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 7 2008, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My little brother bought an R6 three weeks ago (his first bike)

understand, it's a shame the IDIOTIC corporation gives their excellent product a bad name
first bike you say ? bloody hell, i started on a 50cc then a 125 then a 250 then a 650.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 7 2008, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>big brothers 1st streetbike was a GSXR1100, which makes little brother much smarter
did you miss this one.
yeah, not my smartest move

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 7 2008, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>did you miss this one.
yeah, not my smartest move
nothing like throwing yourself in at the deep end uk laws prevent learner riders riding performance high powered bikes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 7 2008, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nothing like throwing yourself in at the deep end uk laws prevent learner riders riding performance high powered bikes.
damn what a great law for the states.
insurance would definitely go down

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 7 2008, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>damn what a great law for the states.
insurance would def go down
I've got no problem letting people have a certain amount of rope to hang themselves with. I suppose it'd increase the availability of smaller bikes, but given the popularity of cruisers and such here defining bikes purely by engine size (which seems to be the norm for these sorts of rules) would be particularly ridiculous here. Insurance is cheap enough already if you've got something "sensible" anyway, and I'm not convinced rates would go down much at the top end.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Jul 7 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've got no problem letting people have a certain amount of rope to hang themselves with. I suppose it'd increase the availability of smaller bikes, but given the popularity of cruisers and such here defining bikes purely by engine size (which seems to be the norm for these sorts of rules) would be particularly ridiculous here. Insurance is cheap enough already if you've got something "sensible" anyway, and I'm not convinced rates would go down much at the top end.
i think its more a bhp limit than a cc limit in the uk. the younger uk forum member's would enlighten you more on the exact laws as they have changed somewhat since i passed my bike test

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Jul 7 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if you've got something "sensible" anyway, and I'm not convinced rates would go down much at the top end.
"something sensible" not sure what to make of a statemnent like that.
less 170+ hp bikes in the hands of beginners WOULD have an impact on insurance since EVERYTHING affects insurance

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 7 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"something sensible" not sure what to make of a statemnent like that.
less 170+ hp bikes in the hands of beginners WOULD have an impact on insurance since EVERYTHING affects insurance
Well, realistically it'd only be phased in for new riders, so any big effect would take a while to really hit. On top of that, it's hardly difficult to charge higher rates to beginners and this is already done. Taking that into account, a rate drop caused by removing people who already pay higher premiums isn't a sure thing at all. I'm not sure what you're trying to make of a "statement like that" with your rearranging of quotes. Nothing's going to stop insurance companies from charging elevated rates on 170hp motorcycles.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 7 2008, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i no they are a lot more reliable than they used to be. i dont no why you got so defensive about my remark to my mate jumkie. i was having a joke with him but as they say "many a truth said in humour". jumkie rides a ducati and he laughingly agreed with my comment.

Rockdog, don't take this too hard man, but I've owned two Ducatis. Both have been very consistent, that is, consistently break down. The first one a 748, on-day at a stoplight it blew the timing belt and smashed the valves. I practically had to replace the entire engine. It turned out to be a few thousand dollars. This was the last straw from 900-dollar 6k/mile tune-ups and valve jobs. When it came out of the shop I refused to ride it and put it up for sale. Of course I didn't learn my lesson, so I bought a shinny 03, 749. That set me back some nice change but its been pretty good, its only broken down once a year (that is good) luckily its only been faulty sensors and .... (kickstand sensor like three times and some other ....). But it happens out on the rode, and this .... is infuriating. But again the regular 6k/mile tune-ups and valve jobs are 1100 bucks a pop. I only have 18k miles on it and its due for a tune-up. I'm not riding it much because I'm saving for the 848 or the Hypermotard (can’t make up my mind). But I can tell you this, even if the maintenance is "less" on the new model its still a lot more than the Jap bikes. I've always had a Jap bike, of every brand, even while having the Ducatis, and those are the ones I take to the track and ride on long rides. Think about it, only 18k on a 03 Duc, that's only 3600 miles a year. I'm a Ducati man, but I'm not rich, so I ride the Jap bikes because parts are cheap and they are super reliable. (At the moment my 2nd bike is a 01 GSXR, and all I do is change the oil, when I remember).

Back on topic:

Nicky is running out of options unless something really turns around. Did anybody catch the "after the flag" interview? He mentioned that not too many smiles around the team with that fuel shortage in Assen. He said a rider should never run out of fuel with how advanced the electronics are these days.

Oh he also mentions that last year's crash was Colin's own fault due to Edward's getting a hand full and the turf.

Relevant to this topic, he did mention that he is aware its contract time and wants to "get some results to push 'those' deals along." What ever that means, you be the judge.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Jul 7 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure what you're trying to make of a "statement like that" with your rearranging of quotes.
hey bro, I haven't rearranged anything!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 7 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hey bro, I haven't rearranged anything!
Then you're blind, I guess.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Jul 7 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then you're blind, I guess.
well, as they say in the uk, PISS OFF.
you can replace that with the F-word if you like

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 7 2008, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The first one a 748, on-day at a stoplight it blew the timing belt and smashed the valves. I practically had to replace the entire engine.

Issues like this usually arise from lazy/incompetent work from a technician. Ducati overtuned their bikes for nearly 1 decade to avoid increasing displacement. The obvious result was constant engine failure. It didn't help that Italians barely attempted to work on Mondays and Fridays either.

Imo, you can't talk about Ducati until you've owned at least one desmodue for a long period of time. The desmodue was the only thing keeping that company afloat during the 999 days. It is worth it's weight in gold.

Anyway, Honda have 1 million good reasons to keep Nicky. Keeping him off of another team is one of them. Using him to develop the pneumatic engine while they scout Dovi for another year, is another good reason.

Watch Hayden get a one year extention, win the championship in 2009 then get canned by HRC. It would be perfect.

ive got this feeling that nick might be in the top five the remaining races barring equip failure.might still be high though

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 7 2008, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Back on topic:

Relevant to this topic, he did mention that he is aware its contract time and wants to "get some results to push 'those' deals along." What ever that means, you be the judge.

Ducs are the greatest bikes in the world and probably the most iconic for racing in my view.....I've owned a Cagiva 125 Roadster (not mito), Monster 620, and currently a Ducati 900SS FE (the silver one), and the next one will be a Monster S4.....I've decided I like going Naked better than dressed in a dust bin!


Back on topic:
Nicky is hungry for wins....and like Austin says Nicky ain't working for free neither....and that is what he meant by the post race interview 'push the deals along'....right now you would imagine his services as racer and test mule are not necessary at a premium to other teams.....so he needs to show he is worth the salaries and length of contracts he is seeking...