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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 7 2008, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nice try at being funny but IF you know anything about motorcycles and the industry you would know first that the new Ducati's as of 2007 are all 50 percent less maintanence which is on par with the Jap bikes. Also the prices have been a bit lower especially for the first year of the new 1098 to $14,999, which really puts them closer in price to the jap bikes. The fact that Stoner won the championship unfortunatly had zero effect on the sale of Ducati's in the united states. If it did anything it just made all the Ducatisti very proud owners of their Ducs. Also when I had my 996s I rarely had to do anything service wise other than the basic oil change and such. I had a clutch replaced and put on some upgraded parts but that bike was just a friggin dream. Plus you get more chicks lookin and diggin the ducati than ANY of my friends that were on the Jap bikes. But that didn't matter none since my wife wouldn't approve of me having a girlfriend.
Hey man, its pretty clear you are an avid Ducati fan. They are awesome bikes. But arguing a price point comparison is simply not a good choice. Ducati has long been synonymous with expensive makes like MV and BMW. So I just have one question, how many new Ducati's can you buy for under 8 grand? Plus I seriously doubt you can "prove" that girls like Ducati's more....gimme a break. I don't ride to score chicks, they are just a bonus.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Jul 7 2008, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How many sport bike riders in the U.S. really care about racing? I'm asking this as an honest question as I'm not yet a member of the bike culture here.

Most riders I have spoken to here apparently have the desire to be on the biggest, baddest sport bike they can get...just to look cool. I've heard 600s referred to as "....." bikes many times.
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Unfortunately, this is true in the States....lots of "look at me" guys and girls out there just to have the look. But luckily, I've noticed at least in the Northeast, those getting interested in AMA, and GP is growing....thank god, .... NASCAR...


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 7 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you're hanging out with the wrong riders....we refer to those twats as "squids"
right on.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 7 2008, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nice try at being funny but IF you know anything about motorcycles and the industry you would know first that the new Ducati's as of 2007 are all 50 percent less maintanence which is on par with the Jap bikes. Also the prices have been a bit lower especially for the first year of the new 1098 to $14,999, which really puts them closer in price to the jap bikes. The fact that Stoner won the championship unfortunatly had zero effect on the sale of Ducati's in the united states. If it did anything it just made all the Ducatisti very proud owners of their Ducs. Also when I had my 996s I rarely had to do anything service wise other than the basic oil change and such. I had a clutch replaced and put on some upgraded parts but that bike was just a friggin dream. Plus you get more chicks lookin and diggin the ducati than ANY of my friends that were on the Jap bikes. But that didn't matter none since my wife wouldn't approve of me having a girlfriend.
mabe you think the usa is the whole world but but hey "news flash" it aint. a ducati 1098 in the uk would set you back about £11500 which is about $23000 and the 1098R would be £24000 which is about $48000 plus im sure the spare parts and servicing costs will reflect the price of the bike, so trying to be funny i aint !

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there's a big wide world outside the usa mate and prices differ greatly from country to country.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 7 2008, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey man, its pretty clear you are an avid Ducati fan. They are awesome bikes. But arguing a price point comparison is simply not a good choice. Ducati has long been synonymous with expensive makes like MV and BMW. So I just have one question, how many new Ducati's can you buy for under 8 grand? Plus I seriously doubt you can "prove" that girls like Ducati's more....gimme a break. I don't ride to score chicks, they are just a bonus.

Yeah dude I am a ducati guy through and through. Also When I lived in Fla chicks dug it more than the other jap bikes since all my buds rode yammies and suzukis, and one Honda. Just saying. I didn't have it for chicks trust me. It was my psychiatrist so I remained sane at work.



right on.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 7 2008, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>mabe you think the usa is the whole world but but hey "news flash" it aint. a ducati 1098 in the uk would set you back about £11500 which is about $23000 and the 1098R would be £24000 which is about $48000 plus im sure the spare parts and servicing costs will reflect the price of the bike, so trying to be funny i aint !

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there's a big wide world outside the usa mate and prices differ greatly from country to country.
yeah smartass I wasn't saying it is the whole world. I was merely speaking from the U.S. point of view.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 7 2008, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah smartass I wasn't saying it is the whole world. I was merely speaking from the U.S. point of view.
then why say this to me when i live in the uk smartass?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>(ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 7 2008, 05:13 PM)
Nice try at being funny but IF you know anything about motorcycles and the industry you would know first that the new Ducati's as of 2007 are all 50 percent less maintanence which is on par with the Jap bikes.Also the prices have been a bit lower especially for the first year of the new 1098 to $14,999, which really puts them closer in price to the jap bikes.
 
Rock..anytime you wanna line up your 1098 and run nonstop against my Honda till one blows up...let me know
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Bring extra cash for hotel stay while the Duc is in the shop
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 7 2008, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah smartass I wasn't saying it is the whole world. I was merely speaking from the U.S. point of view.
not sure he was trying to be a smartass, but hell, what do i know
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Yeah dude I am a ducati guy through and through. Also When I lived in Fla chicks dug it more than the other jap bikes since all my buds rode yammies and suzukis, and one Honda. Just saying. I didn't have it for chicks trust me. It was my psychiatrist so I remained sane at work.
Yeah i rode a 996 for a week while my buddy was on vacation. Truly a minimalist machine in terms of comfort, but that thing was a ...... beast. Yeah for those of us that do the office grind.....and complain about the commute....for sure riding bike is the solution. But to another of your points, I think seeing the Ducati beat out the normal Jap machines in GP may not have had an astronomical impact on sales, but it surely made people consider trading up and spending more money.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 7 2008, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He may not be gone from HRC because I think that he is going to turn his season around. This next race in Germany will be very telling on the improvements made on the bike and how Hayden is adapting. If he does well here, I think that he has a good shot in Laguna for a good result. But will Honda let him take away points from Pedrosa?
That is the $64000 question...and the answer in my view is NO...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 7 2008, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They may just tune the engine down a bit if they fear he may do better??
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The Conspirasy therory excuse lives on! I love it
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 7 2008, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its hard for me to imagine Nicky on another bike though
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No...I think they will give him a nice pot of money to run 1 year at the Scot team and then a big money and technical package to either be the #1 WSBK or AMA rider....keep in mind BMW is in WSBK for 2009, so HRC will want to make a full official return soon...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 7 2008, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nice try at being funny but IF you know anything about motorcycles and the industry you would know first that the new Ducati's as of 2007 are all 50 percent less maintanence which is on par with the Jap bikes.



That part of your statement is not true. They are about 75% close to Kawi & Suzuki. And 50% close to Honda and Yamaha. Thats comming from a few full line dealership I have spoken to! They are 50% better than themself prior to the 1098. They still have work to do catching the Asian bikes where reliablity concern.





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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (evo9 @ Jul 7 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That part of your statement is not true. They are about 75% close to Kawi & Suzuki. And 50% close to Honda and Yamaha. Thats comming from a few full line dealership I have spoken to! They are 50% better than themself prior to the 1098. They still have work to do catching the Asian bikes where reliablity concern.





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well speaking to my dealer he said he is very impressed since the 1098 debut. He also carries suzuki and Kawasakis and says they are on par with them. This is not my judgement it is his and the service department. Aside from the one bug that plagued a few of the first gen 1098's with the stalling issues he said they are great and wished he was able to order more at that time cause he could have sold anyone that he got right away. I agree they are a bit more to deal with but it is a small company on the level of the big ones so what can I say. I had no reliability issues whatsoever with my 996 and that was back then. They have work to do but you have to admit they stepped up their game quite a bit and made those who were looking at the big 4 for a purchase look at the Ducati.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 7 2008, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well speaking to my dealer he said he is very impressed since the 1098 debut. He also carries suzuki and Kawasakis and says they are on par with them. This is not my judgement it is his and the service department. Aside from the one bug that plagued a few of the first gen 1098's with the stalling issues he said they are great and wished he was able to order more at that time cause he could have sold anyone that he got right away. I agree they are a bit more to deal with but it is a small company on the level of the big ones so what can I say. I had no reliability issues whatsoever with my 996 and that was back then. They have work to do but you have to admit they stepped up their game quite a bit and made those who were looking at the big 4 for a purchase look at the Ducati.
and i take it this dealer of yours is ion the business of selling ducati's and they sell for a higher price than the asain bikes he sell's.

i no they are a lot more reliable than they used to be. i dont no why you got so defensive about my remark to my mate jumkie. i was having a joke with him but as they say "many a truth said in humour". jumkie rides a ducati and he laughingly agreed with my comment.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 7 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well speaking to my dealer he said he is very impressed since the 1098 debut. He also carries suzuki and Kawasakis and says they are on par with them. This is not my judgement it is his and the service department. Aside from the one bug that plagued a few of the first gen 1098's with the stalling issues he said they are great and wished he was able to order more at that time cause he could have sold anyone that he got right away. I agree they are a bit more to deal with but it is a small company on the level of the big ones so what can I say. I had no reliability issues whatsoever with my 996 and that was back then. They have work to do but you have to admit they stepped up their game quite a bit and made those who were looking at the big 4 for a purchase look at the Ducati.
Everything I have ever read about Ducatis points to the fact that they require some work. I've never been suspicious of it and generally thought they were as reliable as anything else. My friend is in the market and was told that if he were to buy a Duc and only needed to bring it in for service once a year he should consider himself lucky.

I love Ducati. If it weren't for being 22 and poor, I would be a proud Ducati owner rather than a proud Yamaha owner (yeah, style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif Honda). And at some point I will be a proud Ducati owner, and if I only have to bring it in for service once a year then I will be a very happy man. If it needs to go in every few months, well, I'll still be a very proud Ducati owner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 7 2008, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>a quote from Jumkie's post #3.............
I was hoping you wouldn't say that. Another novel from Jumkie... (All in good fun, Jumkie).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 7 2008, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>(yeah, style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif Honda)
you R1 (assuming) guys kill me
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Jul 7 2008, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you R1 (assuming) guys kill me
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R6. I only say it because I've been a Honda guy through and through until this past year. They make great machines, no doubt, very technologically advanced and they are diversified in many cool fields. I just got annoyed by this "we'll race who we want, when we want and we will win when we want" attitude. It just happened to occur to me around the same time I bought my R6.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 7 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>R6. I only say it because I've been a Honda guy through and through until this past year. They make great machines, no doubt, very technologically advanced and they are diversified in many cool fields. I just got annoyed by this "we'll race who we want, when we want and we will win when we want" attitude. It just happened to occur to me around the same time I bought my R6.
My little brother bought an R6 three weeks ago (his first bike)

understand, it's a shame the IDIOTIC corporation gives their excellent product a bad name
 

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