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why is Pedrosa so unpopular on this board

Just a thought
Does anyone actually know any full grown male who is 112 pounds (51 KG)
I don't
Seriously. If he wasn't a famous racer I would actually feel a little sorry for him.
That can't be easy being that small.
I wonder if his feet dangle when he's taking a ....?
 
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i have a feeling that would be a big seller here
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlexdeAngelis-Fan @ Feb 10 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i can´t say that i´m a huge Fan of him, but i don´t dislike him
so whats the deal with all the negativ stuff on this board about him?
can someone explain it to mee?

I think its probably because he is not the most charismatic chap out there !
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 11 2008, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is not all a given fact.
First of all, within the optimum working parameters for the tire (constant friction coefficient) any added weight adds a proprtional friction force. Theoretically this shoud give the same braking distance regardless of weight. Problem is, as far as I can understand that with to much force (to much wight) on the tire it overheats and that change the friction coefficient dramatically and the tire start sliding. This is AFAIK not really a big factor with todays tires and Pedrosas bad braking might well be because he can't counter weight a stopie by moving backwards on the bike as well as the others.
Less weight also means less arm muscles and less power to throw a heavier bike around. I belive I can see that with Pedrosa in fast chicanes where much power must be applied to change direction fast and smoth.
Finally a body is neither sprung or unsprung weight, but a mass with a undifined cog. Depending on rider skill and power his weight can work for or against him when riding. Using legs soaking up bumps can help the suspension rather than load it.

Don't get me wrong. I would hate if Pedrosa would turn out to be the new ruler for "talents" but i think his problems on the track show that he is at the very bottom level of weight ans size being able to handle the motoGP bike and he does so with some advantages and some disadvantages.

What should be looked at is the limit in 250. I would welcome a total minimum limit in 250 as in 125. That would stop any trend developing tiny rider syndrome in the sport.

i agree, i think less weight isn´t just positive
i think it is not that easy to handle such a huge powerfull bike with 52kg.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DirtyD86 @ Feb 13 2008, 05:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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i have a feeling that would be a big seller here


LOL - imagine a pitwalk with this shirt
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlexdeAngelis-Fan @ Feb 13 2008, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LOL - imagine a pitwalk with this shirt

you would probably get quite a few laughs and a few pats on the back...and only one uptight little squeak and a puny punch in the back of the kneecap!

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maybe this kind of shirts is the real reason why he changed his number to #2

omg - i asked why so many negativ stuff about him is on this board, and now i start to make jokes about him too
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlexdeAngelis-Fan @ Feb 13 2008, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>omg - i asked why so many negativ stuff about him is on this board, and now i start to make jokes about him too
You probably couldn't stop yourself if you tried, the power of dani's negative charisma is overwhelming.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlexdeAngelis-Fan @ Feb 13 2008, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>omg - i asked why so many negativ stuff about him is on this board, and now i start to make jokes about him too

welcome to the dark side.....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DirtyD86 @ Feb 13 2008, 04:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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i have a feeling that would be a big seller here
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when i went to valencia in 06 i could not believe how many pedro fan's there were. he is "big" in spain. his fan's looked like a bunch of ........ tho, every time i blew my horn in one of there ears they turned and gave me a dirty look, very entertaining.
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Pedrosa is a despicable person. He exhibits all the appalling characteristic most decent people detest. Obviously my opinion is based on the public record of his interviews and reactions from afar (as everybody else) nonetheless, his personality and disposition reek of a foul and ungrateful person. I don’t think its that uncommon for all of us to form an opinion, in essence judging a person; we all have a right to our evaluations.

Now with Dani Pedrosa, it is rather unmistakable that he is ungrateful, unappreciative, arrogant, and jealous. He is the meaning personified of a prima donna. I don’t like these qualities in any persons I meet, read about, or see on TV. Would you? So why would it be any different for somebody who happens to have a talent to ride a bike fast? That’s what I don’t understand about any of his fans. It seems like they throw this out the window simply because he is talented.

Most people think that Hayden fans don’t like Pedrosa only because of the Portugal incident in 06. Truly, just on the merits of this incident alone it would be more than enough to dislike the guy (assuming you are not one of those people who think this was purely a “racing incident” and not any indication of his blind jealousy exhibited by his post crash reaction). But if you’re like me, who thinks this incident was the result of envy and jealously, then you can see why this incident would suffice to dislike a little man like Pedrosa.

However, lets for a moment pretend this incident didn’t occur, or that it was simply and purely a “racing incident” as some would like to think (so long as it didn’t happen to their rider on the cusp of a title, right). Now lets take a look at the rest of the pattern and see if we can’t find a blueprint to what is a repugnant human being. Lets start with the author of that blue print. Alberto Piug. Lets not forget that this guy amazingly blamed Hayden for the crash. Well its this guy who is whispering in Pedrosa’s ear all night and all day. What affect might this have on a rather bizarre, diminutive, impressionable, odd little man of 98 lbs? I’m sure he must have some kind of complex being so odd and “unique”; now couple this with having your own personal devil on your shoulder as a “mentor”, giving you pseudo support from the “big bad world” and keeping your allegorical bed warm at night, how might this influence a person like Dani Pedrosa? Now think about this for a moment, before moving on.

Now sure, we all have bad influences and good ones in our lives, but we can’t go blaming them for our own adult behaviors, actions, and expressions, right? So I’m not letting Pedrosa off the hook simply because he has such a wicked man at his side. Pedrosa has not only bought into the idea that others around him are there only to serve him, but he has taken on that persona and has articulated it on the public record. (And no, its not a translation thing, everybody understands what he has said and exactly his intent and meaning.)

Pedrosa is also unprofessional. He makes public all his bemoaning and whining about Honda to the point where it undermines any shreds of team spirit and stifles enthusiasm and productivity. Sure, you should beat your teammate, but the goal is certainly not to ridicule and denigrate while in the process. But I think Pedrosa equates beating your teammate with being a miserable wretch. Again, Pedrosa’s lacking character has reared its ugly head with the latest rants against his teammate.

Why dislike Pedrosa. That’s easy. Everything about him.

On top of all this ...., he is the butt of every joke because, well, look at him....he is a joke.
 
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when ever you talk about pedro it always brings back memory's when you first joined the forum and you were hopping mad about estoril infact you were concidering sueing him
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always brings a smile to my face that memory.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 13 2008, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^^^
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when ever you talk about pedro it always brings back memory's when you first joined the forum and you were hopping mad about estoril infact you were concidering sueing him
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always brings a smile to my face that memory.

At that exact moment,had he been within my reach,a lawsuit would have been the least of his problems.I was sitting at the Deals Gap Motorcycle resort and the place was packed,when the incident happened the place went graveyard quite for about 10 seconds and then all hell broke loose.As allways,even here in the states,there was a bunch of Rossi fans in the crowd and even they could tell that at that moment, cheering for Nicky's misfortune would not be wise.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlexdeAngelis-Fan @ Feb 13 2008, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LOL - imagine a pitwalk with this shirt

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i imagine there would be a lot of people asking where they can get one from.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 13 2008, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pedrosa is a despicable person. He exhibits all the appalling characteristic most decent people detest. Obviously my opinion is based on the public record of his interviews and reactions from afar (as everybody else) nonetheless, his personality and disposition reek of a foul and ungrateful person. I don’t think its that uncommon for all of us to form an opinion, in essence judging a person; we all have a right to our evaluations.

Now with Dani Pedrosa, it is rather unmistakable that he is ungrateful, unappreciative, arrogant, and jealous. He is the meaning personified of a prima donna. I don’t like these qualities in any persons I meet, read about, or see on TV. Would you? So why would it be any different for somebody who happens to have a talent to ride a bike fast? That’s what I don’t understand about any of his fans. It seems like they throw this out the window simply because he is talented.

Most people think that Hayden fans don’t like Pedrosa only because of the Portugal incident in 06. Truly, just on the merits of this incident alone it would be more than enough to dislike the guy (assuming you are not one of those people who think this was purely a “racing incident” and not any indication of his blind jealousy exhibited by his post crash reaction). But if you’re like me, who thinks this incident was the result of envy and jealously, then you can see why this incident would suffice to dislike a little man like Pedrosa.

However, lets for a moment pretend this incident didn’t occur, or that it was simply and purely a “racing incident” as some would like to think (so long as it didn’t happen to their rider on the cusp of a title, right). Now lets take a look at the rest of the pattern and see if we can’t find a blueprint to what is a repugnant human being. Lets start with the author of that blue print. Alberto Piug. Lets not forget that this guy amazingly blamed Hayden for the crash. Well its this guy who is whispering in Pedrosa’s ear all night and all day. What affect might this have on a rather bizarre, diminutive, impressionable, odd little man of 98 lbs? I’m sure he must have some kind of complex being so odd and “unique”; now couple this with having your own personal devil on your shoulder as a “mentor”, giving you pseudo support from the “big bad world” and keeping your allegorical bed warm at night, how might this influence a person like Dani Pedrosa? Now think about this for a moment, before moving on.

Now sure, we all have bad influences and good ones in our lives, but we can’t go blaming them for our own adult behaviors, actions, and expressions, right? So I’m not letting Pedrosa off the hook simply because he has such a wicked man at his side. Pedrosa has not only bought into the idea that others around him are there only to serve him, but he has taken on that persona and has articulated it on the public record. (And no, its not a translation thing, everybody understands what he has said and exactly his intent and meaning.)

Pedrosa is also unprofessional. He makes public all his bemoaning and whining about Honda to the point where it undermines any shreds of team spirit and stifles enthusiasm and productivity. Sure, you should beat your teammate, but the goal is certainly not to ridicule and denigrate while in the process. But I think Pedrosa equates beating your teammate with being a miserable wretch. Again, Pedrosa’s lacking character has reared its ugly head with the latest rants against his teammate.

Why dislike Pedrosa. That’s easy. Everything about him.

On top of all this ...., he is the butt of every joke because, well, look at him....he is a joke.


and breathe...


you really dont like him do you
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i totally get where you're coming from and as for this:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Pedrosa is also unprofessional. He makes public all his bemoaning and whining about Honda to the point where it undermines any shreds of team spirit and stifles enthusiasm and productivity. Sure, you should beat your teammate, but the goal is certainly not to ridicule and denigrate while in the process. But I think Pedrosa equates beating your teammate with being a miserable wretch. Again, Pedrosa’s lacking character has reared its ugly head with the latest rants against his teammate.

you are completely right, i dont like how he talks about Nicky and to undermine him like he does does not do him any credit at all.

however,

i am one of 'those' who thinks that portugal was just a racing incident for reasons i frankly cannot be bothered to go into because i havent got the time right now. half of me thinks that his immediate reaction to the crash (walking away without acknowledging hayden at all) was the sensible thing to do because Nicky was clearly not in the mood to speak to the man who for all he knew had just cost him the title, but half of me thinks that he should have just faced him straight away and not have been so ignorant of his teammate. having said that, had i have been Dani then i cannot say what i would have done, and i dont believe anyone that says they could because until it happens you just dont know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>It seems like they throw this out the window simply because he is talented.

err... no, at least not in my case anyway. i dont agree with everything Dani does and says, far from it, but i have own reasons for supporting him just like everyone else has theirs for supporting other riders and i dont think you have a right to assume anything about his fans. i mean, you think Dani is <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>ungrateful, unappreciative, arrogant, and jealous and from reading your post am i to assume that you think his fans are the same? i hope not. i certainly wouldnt describe myself as any of those things.

i guess i can speak from an unbiased view as far as supporting him because of his nationality goes because i am not spanish, nor have any links to spain whatsoever. therefore, there is no reason there for my being a fan of his. like i said earlier, i dont agree with some of the things Pedrosa does and says but as for him being ungrateful i dont agree, yes he thrown his teddies out to get what he wants but so do a lot of the riders, what makes him so different? i think he appreciates the support he gets from fans as in many of his press interviews post race etc. he thanks them, why do that if you dont give a ....? and call me naive but i dont believe everything i read and the media certainly is not a reliable source. im not saying he doesnt say the things reported (such as the comments about Hayden) because i believe he does, but i also believe that the press put an angle on a lot of things and what with his character (or lack of it according to some) then that would be very easy to do.


and as for attacking him because of his size, well that just makes you just as bad as you say he is...
 
After one of Jumkies classic rants:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Feb 13 2008, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i am one of 'those' who thinks that portugal was just a racing incident for reasons i frankly cannot be bothered to go into because i havent got the time right now. half of me thinks that his immediate reaction to the crash (walking away without acknowledging hayden at all) was the sensible thing to do because Nicky was clearly not in the mood to speak to the man who for all he knew had just cost him the title, but half of me thinks that he should have just faced him straight away and not have been so ignorant of his teammate. having said that, had i have been Dani then i cannot say what i would have done, and i dont believe anyone that says they could because until it happens you just dont know.
In a situation like that it is the only sensible thing to do. In my part of the world that's one of the few things you learn when you get your license. "Walk away, do NOT try to take the discussion or applogise there and then". This is both for safety reasons and it's also common sense to let things cool down.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>and as for attacking him because of his size, well that just makes you just as bad as you say he is...

Well, kind of, done out of rage and hatred it sure doesn't look pretty, but as inocent fun it just show that we all love to have (or pretend to have) someone under ourself in the pecking order. Someone to look down at. Not the highest of standards but very few can say they never does that, and surly non on this forum, even if we don't like to see that in others.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Feb 13 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>At that exact moment,had he been within my reach,a lawsuit would have been the least of his problems.I was sitting at the Deals Gap Motorcycle resort and the place was packed,when the incident happened the place went graveyard quite for about 10 seconds and then all hell broke loose.As allways,even here in the states,there was a bunch of Rossi fans in the crowd and even they could tell that at that moment, cheering for Nicky's misfortune would not be wise.
im glad i was not in a similar situation. i was at home and jumped out of my chair laughing and chearing, not cos i dont like hayden ,because i do, but because i had a bet on rossi to win the championship. suppose you lot got the last laugh.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 13 2008, 08:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>always brings a smile to my face that memory.
That's because you’re an evil man. Ha-ha, yeah, I remember. It was a terrible moment for us Hayden fans. But I remember ranting about a lot more than just that, but you got stuck on one thing. As far as the suing thing, it was more a statement of being cheated by what would have been a great dual between Hayden and Rossi at Portugal (do you understand the metaphor now). But Pedrosa cheated us of that spectacle, and that's why I said that bit about suing, because he made the value of the price of admission depreciated. I'm glad that Elias picked up the pieces and beat Rossi to the line though because at least we did get to see one of the year's most exciting races.

Of course at that moment you became my forum nemesis because it was Rossi vs Hayden at the time. So Pedrosa taking out Hayden must have been cause to cheer on Pedrosa-the-Dream-Killer. But as it worked out, Hayden kept up the pressure and unfortunately for Rossi, he crashed uncharacteristically in Valencia. (Notice the toned down version, in the past I would have said he choked, but I realize now from my own painful experience at this Superbowl, how much of a sore issue it must be for you Rossi fans to relive that event).

But its all good. I can live with the Portugal 06 incident now because for me it revealed the character and metal Hayden is made of.

The thing now about Pedrosa, is that he dodged a bullet and stigma of always being the guy who might have destroyed the championship for Hayden, yet he has learned nothing from that experience. Pedrosa lacks this genuine humility that such a lesson would have taught most people; and I think its this lack of respect for the rider’s code that the other riders in the paddock see in him and dislike as well. As far as him being demanding about a better bike, I understand him waniting more from Honda, actually it is super frustrating for me to see Hayden be loyal to a fault. So as far as being assertive and demanding, I give the edge to Pedrosa. But when you make it public like he does, and puts the blame on Hayden, rather than where it belongs-behind closed doors and squarely on the leadership of the Honda racing program, well that's where Pedrosa's character shines through, and its ugly.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Feb 13 2008, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and breathe...


you really dont like him do you
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i totally get where you're coming from and as for this:
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and as for attacking him because of his size, well that just makes you just as bad as you say he is...
Well you make a well thought out response, and I appreciate that. Obviously, I disagree on the character issue and the Portugal incident, but you are right about it being pointless to attack him on his size. I admit, I do it out of pure contempt for his character as, well as just for fun. So as far as anything I say about his size, take it as a joke. It’s not fair and he has no control over that; but he does have control about his mannerisms and body language, and surely what he says in the public arena.

Every rider has fans. And I suppose you have your reasons. Pedrosa is on a short list of riders I don’t like (Jorge Lorentho and Alex Creville being another); you may find it interesting that I like Max Biaggi and Sete Gibernau (both guys villains to many fans and particularly to Rossi fans).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 13 2008, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The thing now about Pedrosa, is that he dodged a bullet and stigma of always being the guy who might have destroyed the championship for Hayden, yet he has learned nothing from that experience.
I agree with this 100%.

Despite the fact that the "incident" increased Rossi's chances for the Championship I prefer to see such things unfold with both players being able to compete without hinderance, ie no mechanical failures (such as Chris Walker's engine failure in the last BSB round in 2000) and not being taken out by another rider, esp your team mate.

I think this poster said it all :
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