<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marijke @ Feb 10 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>everybody is probably scared he's going to kick their favourite riders ... next season. it's all fear if you ask me
You have a good point there,not far from the truth,Marijke.We all know when it comes together for him that he will deliver.....
You have a good point there,not far from the truth,Marijke.We all know when it comes together for him that he will deliver.....
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he's talented for sure but has the personality of a plank of wood. got to have a villain & he & puig, his evil behind the sceens handler, are a perfect fit.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Feb 11 2008, 09:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he's talented for sure but has the personality of a plank of wood. got to have a villain & he & puig, his evil behind the sceens handler, are a perfect fit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 11 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
damn your quick!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Feb 11 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
damn your quick!
what do expect!?...Me to WORK at WORK?!
what do expect!?...Me to WORK at WORK?!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 11 2008, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what do expect!?...Me to WORK at WORK?!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skid @ Feb 10 2008, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Roger mate,
less combined bike/rider weight = less mass = faster acceleration.
also means less momentum/inertia = faster braking and direction change
and possibly most importantly less centrifugal/cornering force = faster corner speed, see 125cc corner speeds.
That is not all a given fact.
First of all, within the optimum working parameters for the tire (constant friction coefficient) any added weight adds a proprtional friction force. Theoretically this shoud give the same braking distance regardless of weight. Problem is, as far as I can understand that with to much force (to much wight) on the tire it overheats and that change the friction coefficient dramatically and the tire start sliding. This is AFAIK not really a big factor with todays tires and Pedrosas bad braking might well be because he can't counter weight a stopie by moving backwards on the bike as well as the others.
Less weight also means less arm muscles and less power to throw a heavier bike around. I belive I can see that with Pedrosa in fast chicanes where much power must be applied to change direction fast and smoth.
Finally a body is neither sprung or unsprung weight, but a mass with a undifined cog. Depending on rider skill and power his weight can work for or against him when riding. Using legs soaking up bumps can help the suspension rather than load it.
Don't get me wrong. I would hate if Pedrosa would turn out to be the new ruler for "talents" but i think his problems on the track show that he is at the very bottom level of weight ans size being able to handle the motoGP bike and he does so with some advantages and some disadvantages.
What should be looked at is the limit in 250. I would welcome a total minimum limit in 250 as in 125. That would stop any trend developing tiny rider syndrome in the sport.
less combined bike/rider weight = less mass = faster acceleration.
also means less momentum/inertia = faster braking and direction change
and possibly most importantly less centrifugal/cornering force = faster corner speed, see 125cc corner speeds.
That is not all a given fact.
First of all, within the optimum working parameters for the tire (constant friction coefficient) any added weight adds a proprtional friction force. Theoretically this shoud give the same braking distance regardless of weight. Problem is, as far as I can understand that with to much force (to much wight) on the tire it overheats and that change the friction coefficient dramatically and the tire start sliding. This is AFAIK not really a big factor with todays tires and Pedrosas bad braking might well be because he can't counter weight a stopie by moving backwards on the bike as well as the others.
Less weight also means less arm muscles and less power to throw a heavier bike around. I belive I can see that with Pedrosa in fast chicanes where much power must be applied to change direction fast and smoth.
Finally a body is neither sprung or unsprung weight, but a mass with a undifined cog. Depending on rider skill and power his weight can work for or against him when riding. Using legs soaking up bumps can help the suspension rather than load it.
Don't get me wrong. I would hate if Pedrosa would turn out to be the new ruler for "talents" but i think his problems on the track show that he is at the very bottom level of weight ans size being able to handle the motoGP bike and he does so with some advantages and some disadvantages.
What should be looked at is the limit in 250. I would welcome a total minimum limit in 250 as in 125. That would stop any trend developing tiny rider syndrome in the sport.
I have to agree more with Skid's simple theory than Babel's complex. Less weight is better -- acceletration/deceleration & change in direction. It is possible that Pedrosa had more of an advantage on the lighter bikes (as his lower weight was a bigger factor in the totoal weight) than with the MotoGP bikes. As to his "poor" braking in MotoGP, I think in the first season he was adapting his style from the 2 stroke cornering to the "Stop-&Go" cornerign used in MotoGP. His braking last season (towards the end) was on par with any of the other top riders.
As to why he is hated here, it allstarted with him taking out Nicky. Now, his public comments about his team mates is making matters worse for him. Rossi talked crapped too (Gibernau will never win another GP" , but he has the charm to pull it off) Pedrosa has the charm of a plank of wood.
As to why he is hated here, it allstarted with him taking out Nicky. Now, his public comments about his team mates is making matters worse for him. Rossi talked crapped too (Gibernau will never win another GP" , but he has the charm to pull it off) Pedrosa has the charm of a plank of wood.
Anyone who thinks being small and light is a disadvantage on a race bike is a complete ......
Perhaps even mentally .........
Manufactures spend millions just to drop a few pounds on their machines. A rider with ability and the size of Pedrosa, Stoner, Elias, etc etc is a race teams wet dream.
Perhaps even mentally .........
Manufactures spend millions just to drop a few pounds on their machines. A rider with ability and the size of Pedrosa, Stoner, Elias, etc etc is a race teams wet dream.
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They should go the way of F1.....where the rule is total weight of car and driver...especially now that they're splitting hairs with the 800s..
Or just bring back the 990s.........MEN bikes
Or just bring back the 990s.........MEN bikes
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SirStirShat @ Feb 11 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone who thinks being small and light is a disadvantage on a race bike is a complete ......
Perhaps even mentally .........
Manufactures spend millions just to drop a few pounds on their machines. A rider with ability and the size of Pedrosa, Stoner, Elias, etc etc is a race teams wet dream.
So why isn't the undoubtfully talented Perosa flying away from the rest as he is lighter than all the others by a margine?
Btw. I didn't say he has an overall disadvantage, and you have to be a complete idot or even ........ not to see that.
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Perhaps even mentally .........
Manufactures spend millions just to drop a few pounds on their machines. A rider with ability and the size of Pedrosa, Stoner, Elias, etc etc is a race teams wet dream.
So why isn't the undoubtfully talented Perosa flying away from the rest as he is lighter than all the others by a margine?
Btw. I didn't say he has an overall disadvantage, and you have to be a complete idot or even ........ not to see that.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlexdeAngelis-Fan @ Feb 10 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i can´t say that i´m a huge Fan of him, but i don´t dislike him
so whats the deal with all the negativ stuff on this board about him?
can someone explain it to mee?
have you seen his height and the fact that he never smiles!!??
so whats the deal with all the negativ stuff on this board about him?
can someone explain it to mee?
have you seen his height and the fact that he never smiles!!??
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 11 2008, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So why isn't the undoubtfully talented Perosa flying away from the rest as he is lighter than all the others by a margine?
Btw. I didn't say he has an overall disadvantage, and you have to be a complete idot or even ........ not to see that.
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WHY?
1- Cause just maybe he's NOT that good, and a ..... on the brakes.
2- The Honda sucks at the mo.
Pedrosa comes in at a whopping 51kg, 112 pounds (cute huh)
Stoner is at 58kg, 127 pounds.
Rossi is 67 kg, 147 lbs
Hopkins 72 kg, almost 160 lbs
Nick 69 kg, 150 lbs
I wouldn't call 20 to 50 pounds "a margin"
THAT being said..I'd like tomato in my sandwich please.
Btw. I didn't say he has an overall disadvantage, and you have to be a complete idot or even ........ not to see that.
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WHY?
1- Cause just maybe he's NOT that good, and a ..... on the brakes.
2- The Honda sucks at the mo.
Pedrosa comes in at a whopping 51kg, 112 pounds (cute huh)
Stoner is at 58kg, 127 pounds.
Rossi is 67 kg, 147 lbs
Hopkins 72 kg, almost 160 lbs
Nick 69 kg, 150 lbs
I wouldn't call 20 to 50 pounds "a margin"
THAT being said..I'd like tomato in my sandwich please.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SirStirShat @ Feb 11 2008, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WHY?
1- Cause just maybe he's NOT that good, and a ..... on the brakes.
2- The Honda sucks at the mo.
Pedrosa comes in at a whopping 51kg, 112 pounds (cute huh)
Stoner is at 58kg, 127 pounds.
Rossi is 67 kg, 147 lbs
Hopkins 72 kg, almost 160 lbs
Nick 69 kg, 150 lbs
I wouldn't call 20 to 50 pounds "a margin"
THAT being said..I'd like tomato in my sandwich please.
Finally someone agrees with me on that.
1- Cause just maybe he's NOT that good, and a ..... on the brakes.
2- The Honda sucks at the mo.
Pedrosa comes in at a whopping 51kg, 112 pounds (cute huh)
Stoner is at 58kg, 127 pounds.
Rossi is 67 kg, 147 lbs
Hopkins 72 kg, almost 160 lbs
Nick 69 kg, 150 lbs
I wouldn't call 20 to 50 pounds "a margin"
THAT being said..I'd like tomato in my sandwich please.
Finally someone agrees with me on that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SirStirShat @ Feb 11 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WHY?
1- Cause just maybe he's NOT that good, and a ..... on the brakes.
2- The Honda sucks at the mo.
Pedrosa comes in at a whopping 51kg, 112 pounds (cute huh)
Stoner is at 58kg, 127 pounds.
Rossi is 67 kg, 147 lbs
Hopkins 72 kg, almost 160 lbs
Nick 69 kg, 150 lbs
I wouldn't call 20 to 50 pounds "a margin"
According to your definition of "a margin" the the 35 ponds heavier rossi fits the bill, and then some, and he outbraked .... how many times last year? A 100? I lost count after a +10 number at shanghai only.
But I have a very hard time to belive Pedrosa is that bad on the brakes. He got this "huge" weight advantage and he's not even able to keep up?
He won to races last year and have three titles from the smaller clases where braking is just as important as in motoGP, and despite that he must be the worst on the brakes ever. Think not.
Btw
IF the honda sucks it's purly up to .... him self, his team mate and the rest if the factory team. They have the most resources of all there and I have strong doubts about how bad it is. Look at the customer teams. This years riders are jumping up the lists while last year riders drop down. Starts to look like the 2003 Yamaha to me.
1- Cause just maybe he's NOT that good, and a ..... on the brakes.
2- The Honda sucks at the mo.
Pedrosa comes in at a whopping 51kg, 112 pounds (cute huh)
Stoner is at 58kg, 127 pounds.
Rossi is 67 kg, 147 lbs
Hopkins 72 kg, almost 160 lbs
Nick 69 kg, 150 lbs
I wouldn't call 20 to 50 pounds "a margin"
According to your definition of "a margin" the the 35 ponds heavier rossi fits the bill, and then some, and he outbraked .... how many times last year? A 100? I lost count after a +10 number at shanghai only.
But I have a very hard time to belive Pedrosa is that bad on the brakes. He got this "huge" weight advantage and he's not even able to keep up?
Btw
IF the honda sucks it's purly up to .... him self, his team mate and the rest if the factory team. They have the most resources of all there and I have strong doubts about how bad it is. Look at the customer teams. This years riders are jumping up the lists while last year riders drop down. Starts to look like the 2003 Yamaha to me.
And those weights are why I switched to cars. At 6'3 180, I would be nearly twice the size of Pedrosa.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Feb 11 2008, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And those weights are why I switched to cars. At 6'3 180, I would be nearly twice the size of Pedrosa.
Pffft. At 85kg I weigh almost twice as much as the average Thai racer, that didn't stop me from beating them all at their own home track in a round of their national championship. Only beaten by two english riders. But that was of course because they both had the unfair advantage of being about 20 punds lighter than me
Pffft. At 85kg I weigh almost twice as much as the average Thai racer, that didn't stop me from beating them all at their own home track in a round of their national championship. Only beaten by two english riders. But that was of course because they both had the unfair advantage of being about 20 punds lighter than me
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Feb 11 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And those weights are why I switched to cars. At 6'3 180, I would be nearly twice the size of Pedrosa.
try being 6'6" 195 with a dream of racing bikes. no one takes you seriously
try being 6'6" 195 with a dream of racing bikes. no one takes you seriously
