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Who will win the 2017 championship?

  • Valentino Rossi

    Votes: 12 23.5%
  • Maverick Vinales

    Votes: 10 19.6%
  • Marc Marquez

    Votes: 26 51.0%
  • Dani Pedrosa

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jorge Lorenzo

    Votes: 4 7.8%
  • Andrea Doviziosa

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • Andrea Iannone

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Crashy Cruthlow

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Total voters
    51
I was/am (who knows) a diehard F1 fan that's increasingly lost interest in the sport over these last 5 years. If I had to pick one of the two to watch, it would be GP without question. GP should pay attention to F1 to avoid making a lot of the same avoidable mistakes that F1 has been making for a lot longer than the last 5 years.
There is one relief from the MotoGP point of view in that Bernie is now gone and is no longer around for Ezy to emulate down to tiny details.
 
There is one relief from the MotoGP point of view in that Bernie is now gone and is no longer around for Ezy to emulate down to tiny details.

Thing is, Dorna actually was more progressive than FOM with regards to a major area; digital media.

The season pass GP offers is a far greater value than anything FOM has ever done as they continued to rely on selling the TV rights to TV providers. I suspect this will change with the new group running things, but it doesn't mean it is good as they have said already they are committed to the pay TV deals. But they don't care about viewership so long as the providers are willing to shell out (stupidly IMO) the requested amount. Even if the broadcasting hadn't been so heavily off-loaded to pay TV channels in recent years, I suspect the viewership numbers would have plummeted regardless...not as severely as has been reported, but still enough. So I don't really get why the providers are willing to pay the money for as Arrab put it so succintly; Snormula 1.
 
Thing is, Dorna actually was more progressive than FOM with regards to a major area; digital media.

The season pass GP offers is a far greater value than anything FOM has ever done as they continued to rely on selling the TV rights to TV providers. I suspect this will change with the new group running things, but it doesn't mean it is good as they have said already they are committed to the pay TV deals. But they don't care about viewership so long as the providers are willing to shell out (stupidly IMO) the requested amount. Even if the broadcasting hadn't been so heavily off-loaded to pay TV channels in recent years, I suspect the viewership numbers would have plummeted regardless...not as severely as has been reported, but still enough. So I don't really get why the providers are willing to pay the money for as Arrab put it so succintly; Snormula 1.
I meant more the control tyre, the substandard tyres to 'improve the racing' etc. I also think PI 2013 was possibly a trial run for pit stops which Ezy had been talking about, and if so a notably unsuccessful one of course.
 
I meant more the control tyre, the substandard tyres to 'improve the racing' etc. I also think PI 2013 was possibly a trial run for pit stops which Ezy had been talking about, and if so a notably unsuccessful one of course.

Oh my misunderstanding.

It's already looking like letting the teams dictate a return to an aero-dominant formula has just created a massive chasm between the front and back of the grid in Melbourne. Not that I have an issue with a gap, but the combination of aero changes plus wider and grippier tires is the fans will probably whine about this version of the racing saying overtaking is impossible. Actually Max Verstappen made not that he felt overtaking will be infrequent again. Then you're back to the same ........ of "this sucks" from the fanbase at large. The problem is, most of them haven't got a real clue as to what F1 races have been like historically since ground effects were banned after the 1982 season. The perceived parity that existed in Formula 1 hasn't existed for several generations of fans now. We're a long way from the days of Jimmy Clark running the Tasman Series down in your neck of the woods with non-winged cars.

It's why I sit on the fence about the banning of the winglets in GP because I hate to see ingenuity in design banned because it's aimed at hurting Ducati, yet knowing that F1's primary problem is aero-related, I don't want to see GP go down that sort of path no matter how innocuous it may seem to the fans. Once you go down that route, and then you start trying to do funny .... with the tires, that's when things go off the rails. Like you said Phillip Island 2013 may have been the test run for such fuckery, but it seems GP at least recognizes there's things from F1 to not mimic as it leads to the current product. So they've managed to keep GP looking like an interesting series by trying to clamp down on certain key technical areas for better or worse.
 
Oh my misunderstanding.

It's already looking like letting the teams dictate a return to an aero-dominant formula has just created a massive chasm between the front and back of the grid in Melbourne. Not that I have an issue with a gap, but the combination of aero changes plus wider and grippier tires is the fans will probably whine about this version of the racing saying overtaking is impossible. Actually Max Verstappen made not that he felt overtaking will be infrequent again. Then you're back to the same ........ of "this sucks" from the fanbase at large. The problem is, most of them haven't got a real clue as to what F1 races have been like historically since ground effects were banned after the 1982 season. The perceived parity that existed in Formula 1 hasn't existed for several generations of fans now. We're a long way from the days of Jimmy Clark running the Tasman Series down in your neck of the woods with non-winged cars.

It's why I sit on the fence about the banning of the winglets in GP because I hate to see ingenuity in design banned because it's aimed at hurting Ducati, yet knowing that F1's primary problem is aero-related, I don't want to see GP go down that sort of path no matter how innocuous it may seem to the fans. Once you go down that route, and then you start trying to do funny .... with the tires, that's when things go off the rails. Like you said Phillip Island 2013 may have been the test run for such fuckery, but it seems GP at least recognizes there's things from F1 to not mimic as it leads to the current product. So they've managed to keep GP looking like an interesting series by trying to clamp down on certain key technical areas for better or worse.
Sure, some such measures are necessary, as we have discussed rather extensively I don't think having bad tyres is the way to do it.

Like you, I started as a car racing guy and saw Tasman series racing live as a kid. I loved formula cosworth F1 particularly since an Australian guy in Alan Jones was a leading exponent, but find my interest waning over the last decade, and have absolutely no interest in V8 Supercars, the ersatz NASCAR series which has replaced the Australian tin top racing beloved of my youth.
 
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Marc wont win.

Rossi will probably not do it either.

Lorenzo will for sure not win. Same goes for Cal, dovi and pedro.

Iannone? He has a chance if he stays on the bike.

So who is left? Yup, Maverick.
 
I read somewhere (cant remember if it was a poster here or a random news article) who gave the sugestion that if Vinales and Marquez get locked into battles, Rossi may win purely on the 'Marquez' strategy of racing for points as opposed to always trying to win. I dont necessarily agree or disagree with that paraphrased statement but it's an interesting perspective
 
I read somewhere (cant remember if it was a poster here or a random news article) who gave the sugestion that if Vinales and Marquez get locked into battles, Rossi may win purely on the 'Marquez' strategy of racing for points as opposed to always trying to win. I dont necessarily agree or disagree with that paraphrased statement but it's an interesting perspective

I believe that comes from wishful thinking. The idea is that Rossi isn't fast enough to compete with MV/MM so if they eliminate each other by consistently taking each other out, which they won't Rossi could swoop in for a championship. It's not a likely strategy, if you're relying on 2 guys to consistently take each other or themselves out its an extremely slim chance. Qatar is one of Rossis best tracks and I can't see he did a brilliant job on the weekend. He might not even be in the position to win a championship should the other two destroy each other's chances.
 
I noticed that Krop is really making an effort to remind everyone who Marc Marquez is and that the Honda has huge potential to improve exponentially by Mugello to have its electronics/acceleration woes sorted.
 
My money is on Marquez.

If what you read is true, Marquez's front tire was shot after 5 laps.

And he was only 7 seconds behind at the end. That's half a second a lap slower with a shot front tire.

Hopefully Honda gives him a good bike soon. I think he'll walk at the end of his contract if they don't get their .... together.
 
My money is on Marquez.

If what you read is true, Marquez's front tire was shot after 5 laps.

And he was only 7 seconds behind at the end. That's half a second a lap slower with a shot front tire.

Hopefully Honda gives him a good bike soon. I think he'll walk at the end of his contract if they don't get their .... together.

Don't think tire was shot, he just couldn't ride the way he wanted on the medium.The bike still has terrible acceleration issues and with the hard tire he can make up time by braking late, not so with the medium . If you listen carefully to what he said, he is pretty damn exasperated with Honda right now for delivering him a bike that has the same exact issues as last year. He made a statement that with a bike so difficult to ride, there is no tire choice, it's the hard option or they will not be competitive. He said switching to medium was a mistake, that he could have won with the hard, IF he didn't crash first
 
I'm pretty sure Marc mentioned losing a bit of front end grip after the first few laps. He did indeed mention that he might've crashed had he gone with the hard though.

From what I've read though it's an electronics issue rather than an engine issue. The spec electronics are probably a real challenge on a brand new engine(I think this is why Suzuki went with their own electronics in 2015), most seem to be expecting them to have those issues fully sorted by Mugello.

If the Honda is sorted by Mugello it's probably game over for everyone else if Marquez picks up similar points that he did this time last year. They're a few kms down on Ducati and a couple above the Yam, once their acceleration is sorted and I expect with the new engine it will be. Marquez will be almost impossible to stop getting past you if he's close and almost impossible to pass.

As we learnt last year it's a long season and Honda are capable of improving the bike exponentially over the season. They have a metric fuckton of engineers working on the electronics now I'm sure.
 
Don't think tire was shot, he just couldn't ride the way he wanted on the medium. first

I went back everywhere I could think and couldn't find the line that said his tired was shot at 5 laps. Everything I did re-read didn't indicate it was that bad, perhaps just not what he needed to perform.

I was glad to see him retreat to a safe position though. With that attitude he will be hard to beat as we saw last year.
 
They're a few kms down on Ducati and a couple above the Yam

I can't agree the M1 is faster than the RCV, in fact down the straight the Honda was losing 4 or 5kph to the Yamaha and that can't all be down to electronics. Mind you I still think Marquez will win again this year.

Was great to see Aprilia wake up a bit even though I don't like Asparagus.
 

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