When a fisherman tried to box with God but his arms came up too short...

michaelm · May 27, 2018

synn said:
My favorite part is when the fisherman fell all on his own!

Do you mean the second time he elected not to take both himself and Rossi out?.

I don't recall many close duels when Rossi was on a Ducati and Stoner on a Japanese factory bike. The only time he even got close to Stoner in those Ducati years he was so desperate to prove something he pulled one of the most egregiously stupid moves from a rider of his experience I have ever seen, and that time Stoner had to avoid running over him. As I recall, on that occasion neither Stoner's wife nor any hangers-on who might have been in Stoner's garage post-race told Rossi to .... off when he turned up there still helmeted with an entourage and camera crew either.

danski · May 27, 2018

Rossi has never broke a bone in a race.

Gaz · May 27, 2018

danski said:
Rossi has never broke a bone in a race.

Broke a bone in his hand crashing out (highsided) when on the Yamaha - think it was the last year before Ducati or year after.

From memory - as Rossi crashing in a race was relatively unheard of at the time - may even have been his first ace crash for a few years

birdman · May 27, 2018

michaelm said:
No doubt Rossi rode great in 2008, probably the best he ever did.

I think Rossi moved right across on Stoner on the racing line on the inside edge of the track, nearly forcing him off the track, in the lead up to the Corskcrew, and they jostled all the way up to the Corkscrew with no concession of the racing line from Stoner, hence Rossi's semi-lose resulting in him slewing across the front of Stoner; as you say he was desperate, because he knew Stoner would be over the hills and far away if he came out of the Corkscrew ahead.

Gross hypocrisy recently from Rossi and his fans, if Stoner who had made no riding error himself had not taken rapid evasive action he would have been torpedoed at right angles by a rider who had left the track in a much more high speed and dangerous collision that both the recent incidents involving Rossi and MM in the first instance, then Dovi, Lorenzo and Dani.

In this particular race I think Rossi’s only alternative was to finish 10 seconds behind. In that case it would hardly be remembered the classic race it is today, even if it is a somewhat painful one to rewatch.

The way things eventually played out I’ll gladly accept the loss in 08 vs the humble pie of 2011, which surely puts everything in perspective better than any words or youtube clips ever could.

As an added bonus we get the ‘moaning’ outrage over Marquez. Shoes on the other foot. But but but, he did it 10 times in one race! I keep repreating, because he is the product of an environment if ever there was one.

Theo · May 27, 2018

danski said:
Rossi has never broke a bone in a race.

Broken his left leg twice I think.

Barbedwirebikerr · May 27, 2018

Theo said:
Broken his left leg twice I think.

Double break. Pretty sure it was practice, not the race.

danski · May 27, 2018

Barbedwirebikerr said:
Double break. Pretty sure it was practice, not the race.

One in Mugello 2010 free practice and one before Misano 2017 in a mx accident.

Barbedwirebikerr · May 27, 2018

I was thinking of the '10 in incident.
Massive high side.

synn · May 27, 2018

Fisherman wins title in 07 with Bridgestone: “It was all him! He won it with talent”!
God humbles Fisherman in 08 on the same tyres: “It was the tyres! “

danski · May 27, 2018

Barbedwirebikerr said:
I was thinking of the '10 in incident.
Massive high side.

Yeah it was on a cold tyre, nasty crash.
I've always thought if that didn't happen would he have gone to Ducati?

michaelm · May 27, 2018

synn said:
Fisherman wins title in 07 with Bridgestone: “It was all him! He won it with talent”!
God humbles Fisherman in 08 on the same tyres: “It was the tyres! “

I don’t know whether God or gods were involved, but certainly hubris and nemesis really got cracking when your yellow fellow got on a Bridgestone shod Ducati himself.

michaelm · May 27, 2018

danski said:
Yeah it was on a cold tyre, nasty crash.
I've always thought if that didn't happen would he have gone to Ducati?

If he had won in 2010, which was far from certain if he had stayed uninjured, I think he would have retired.

danski · May 27, 2018

michaelm said:
If he had won in 2010, which was far from certain if he had stayed uninjured, I think he would have retired.

Naaa, that's what Rosberg did, got a lucky win and called it a day. Not in Rossi's dna if you ask me.

synn · May 27, 2018

Have to give it to the fisherman. He waited until he was two times lucky before calling it quits.

First when he had better tyres and second when the god was stuck with a .... bike (on which he finished ahead of everyone else riding it).

Fisherman > Rosberg

AntG · May 27, 2018

Nah, Stoner was a great rider, you don't win 38 races in a 6 year spell just by being lucky.

Keshav · May 27, 2018

AntG said:
Nah, Stoner was a great rider, you don't win 38 races in a 6 year spell just by being lucky.

Not just "wins" but so many where he just waltzed away and by lap 3 would be 8 - 10s seconds away. Very few of Stoner's victories were anything like down to the wire.

gekko1ro · May 27, 2018

synn, you talk so much about fishing but you seem to be in desperate need for a fishing rod. ask daniboy for one, he has plenty.

Keshav · May 27, 2018

gekko1ro said:
synn, you talk so much about fishing but you seem to be in desperate need for a fishing rod. ask daniboy for one, he has plenty.

Like the J-Man, Stoner was a fisher of men, whilst Rossi is a leader of sheep.

michaelm · May 27, 2018

synn said:
Have to give it to the fisherman. He waited until he was two times lucky before calling it quits.

First when he had better tyres and second when the god was stuck with a .... bike (on which he finished ahead of everyone else riding it).

Fisherman > Rosberg

Poor valentino. He has had .... tires for 9 seasons now.

michaelm · May 27, 2018

danski said:
Naaa, that's what Rosberg did, got a lucky win and called it a day. Not in Rossi's dna if you ask me.

Yes, Rosberg was indeed lucky to have the same 60 horsepower advantage over the rest of the field that his team-mate had.

It has always been my view that Rossi intended to retire, had told Yamaha so, then changed his mind. He actually said at one stage I think after the 2008 title that he wanted to beat Stoner two out of three before retiring. I also recently found by accident an old David Emmett piece from immediately after the 9th title win in 2009 which quoted Jarvis both humouring Jorge as the future of the marque and directly saying he didn't think he would be able to talk Valentino into riding past 2010.

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