Let me guess, is he the cheeky British guy who got the Ducati on the podium and got twice as many top 10's and 20 odd points more than Melandri did in his Duc season despite DNF-ing 6 times more and missing a race entirely?
Let me guess, is he the cheeky British guy who got the Ducati on the podium and got twice as many top 10's and 20 odd points more than Melandri did in his Duc season despite DNF-ing 6 times more and missing a race entirely?
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Sure, but there is an interesting dynamic we can gleam from the approach of each rider’s performances. If more riders handled Rossi like Rossi or Marc, particularly Stoner and Lorenzo, who at least Lorenzo had the package to contend on fairly equal terms in regards to parity (or when the roles were reversed Rossi at Ducati Stoner at Honda), we would have seen a much different interaction. Consider that Rossi’s strategy, its a good thing Stoner didn't have the same fanciful ideations that Rossi had at Sepang, otherwise Stoner could have taken Rossi wide to express that the strategy wasn’t acceptable, right Kevin Schwantz? But lets shelve hypotheticals, it always really comes down to what we ‘want to believe’ anyway.
Let treat this thread as: Greatest ride of all time from the greatest rider of all time PART 2
I'll start:
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Let me guess, is he the cheeky British guy who got the Ducati on the podium and got twice as many top 10's and 20 odd points more than Melandri did in his Duc season despite DNF-ing 6 times more and missing a race entirely?
We could say, that "cheeky British guy" missed the next Ducati season entirely.
We could say, that "cheeky British guy" missed the next Ducati season entirely.
And finished 5 positions in the championship better off for it.
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And finished 5 positions in the championship better off for it.
That's why there is a saying: "quitters always prosper". :spin:
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Actually, the thread title applies nicely for this next clip:
When a fisherman tried to box with God but his arms came up too short...
So typical of "god" you can't see him anywhere.
(Special note to the guy with the "short arms" though).
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The thing that sticks with me about that race, and no matter what one's take is on the corkscrew side or Stoner's other issues/comments post race.
But FFS, they were that far in front that Stoner could fall, remount and still comfortably get second .......... by 13 or so bloody damn seconds
That is not a race but a beating that Rossi and Stoner put on the other riders considered their equal or close to it.
Stoner very specifically elected not to run into Rossi and take them both out, which would have helped his title chances, after Rossi 'chose his line' (to employ a euphemism) in the corner where Stoner put his bike down after actually deliberately running off the track. This is what Rossi relied on with the likes of Gibernau and Stoner. In Marquez he has now encountered a rider who is as ruthless as he is, and it would appear that he doesn't like it.
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No Marco had phsycological problems, so he is exempt.
Which pretty much sets it in stone that rossi is the worst Ducati rider of all time.
One could well argue that the problems were caused by or as a minimum exacerbated by the Ducati
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Oh come on Michael, chainsmoke a few cartons of Malboro and we'd all have made the same decision .... and many others too ... well outside of our areas if expertise.
Was pretty "fruity" all that carry on lol.
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Up until now I didn’t care for Rossi’s plight in any way simply said he was a dirty rider. Upon reflection, Stoner obliterated Rossi in 07 like no rider had previously. Stoner was plus 1 second faster at Laguna. What does Rossi do? He has no idea if it’s Stoner who’s faster or the Ducati is just better. To Rossi he can only assume Ducati is better. So he has only one solution, elevate his performance, ride faster than he’s ever had to to stay in touch. How many riders have successfully employed that tactic? I’d say likely none, good way to crash. It’s an indication to why Rossi won so many championships. Sure in the process Rossi screws no pun the corkscrew and nearly takes them both out. It pretty much shows his desperation. I don’t think Rossi was inherently dirty, I can’t see the dirty riding Stoner refers too. Maybe he was maybe he wasn’t, in any case the failure as usual is with race direction for allowing him to return to the track in a manner that required evasive action. For that part I am in absolutely no doubt. Terrible race direction has at least been consistent though, if that makes any sense?
No doubt Rossi rode great in 2008, probably the best he ever did.
I think Rossi moved right across on Stoner on the racing line on the inside edge of the track, nearly forcing him off the track, in the lead up to the Corskcrew, and they jostled all the way up to the Corkscrew with no concession of the racing line from Stoner, hence Rossi's semi-lose resulting in him slewing across the front of Stoner; as you say he was desperate, because he knew Stoner would be over the hills and far away if he came out of the Corkscrew ahead.
Gross hypocrisy recently from Rossi and his fans, if Stoner who had made no riding error himself had not taken rapid evasive action he would have been torpedoed at right angles by a rider who had left the track in a much more high speed and dangerous collision that both the recent incidents involving Rossi and MM in the first instance, then Dovi, Lorenzo and Dani.
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I think Stoner was referring to the erratic riding and brake checking ..... pretty much a known consequence when its done ..... the real dirty bit was that if it was anyone other than rossi doing it .... theyd be booted. And it still happens today .... eg. Kicking Marquez, shortcut corner to pass Zarco Assen. Shortcut corner to get past Marquez Assen. And ramming Marquez rear side at Argy.
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I thought you liked rossi? He actually broke bones in some of those races against Stoner so maybe you shouldnt be so thoughless against a rider you openly declare as your favourite
PS. In you title "God" means "Greatest on Ducati" doesnt it? Cos thats pretty convenient, cos Stoner is both the "GOAT" as well as the Greatest on Ducati.
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