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VR46 MotoGP

Full disclosure, I'm a Rossi fan, but not a fanatic. Do you think it's possible that he's just so out of touch that he's somewhat unaware of what's going on?
 
Sorry, I can’t see the problem here. I am not a VR fan, nor one of the Saudi monarchy. The choice does reflect the values of the VR46 organization, but those values have been evident for a long time now. No surprises. Motor sports has always attracted some dubious sponsors and teams have always gone for the best deal possible at the time. This reminds me of a quip by Prost in the 80’s when asked about Marlboro sponsorship: “Perhaps I can influence people to switch brands instead of starting to smoke.”

This morality road is long and winding. History is full of examples of tremendous progress built on the backs of those less fortunate to be down in the pecking order of the time.
 
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Sorry, I can’t see the problem here. I am not a VR fan, nor one of the Saudi monarchy. The choice does reflect the values of the VR46 organization, but those values have been evident for a long time now. No surprises. Motor sports has always attracted some dubious sponsors and teams have always gone for the best deal possible at the time. This reminds me of a quip by Prost in the 80’s when asked about Marlboro sponsorship: “Perhaps I can influence people to switch brands instead of starting to smoke.”

This morality road is long and winding. History is full of examples of tremendous progress built on the backs of those less fortunate to be down in the pecking order of the time.

To be clear, I'm not crazy about any conversation on the forum getting mired in politics or religion - as folks do at times take things personal. So right up front, let me say my rebuttal to your post should not be taken personally.

Historically speaking, it was okay for the British to enslave millions of Chinese to opium - because the money earned funded progress, tho mostly it really went into the pockets of the wealthy and the powerful and didn't do squat for the working man.

Historically speaking, it used to be possible to lynch black men from phone poles for looking at a white woman, in broad daylight and then - have an all white jury let the murderer get off scott free.

Historically speaking, in the days before mass media, it was understandable that people around the world didn't take a moral stand against slavery, genocide and racist colonial exploitation.

In this day and age, there can be no excuse for turning a blind eye to human rights violations by any government, and especially not by wealthy educated Saudis, for whom woman are property, nor to Saudi practices that include paying starvation wages to Indian employees who are little better than slaves.

Rossi can turn to many different sources of sponsorship and as the most visible spokesman for the sport of MotoGp, he owes it to the public to set a reasonable moral standard. The Saudis maintain their dominance in their field using fear and intimidation, and severe repression of half the population, jailing people for dissonant thought and barbarous practices like beheading for infidelity.

To accept money from them, is in effect to condone what they do, and for anyone with even a speck of morals, this is not acceptable.

Always there will be some who will try to write off the idea of taking a moral stance as mere virtue signalling, but the economic boycott of South Africa is evidence that taking a stance really effects dramatic change for betterment of our fellow humans. Economic progress that stands on the necks of the less fortunate, ....... mankind’s evolution as a species.
 
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To be clear, I'm not crazy about any conversation on the forum getting mired in politics or religion - as folks do at times take things personal. So right up front, let me say my rebuttal to your post should not be taken personally.

Historically speaking, it was okay for the British to enslave millions of Chinese to opium - because the money earned funded progress, tho mostly it really went into the pockets of the wealthy and the powerful and didn't do squat for the working man.

Historically speaking, it used to be possible to lynch black men from phone poles for looking at a white woman, in broad daylight and then - have an all white jury let the murderer get off scott free.

Historically speaking, in the days before mass media, it was understandable that people around the world didn't take a moral stand against slavery, genocide and racist colonial exploitation.

In this day and age, there can be no excuse for turning a blind eye to human rights violations by any government, and especially not by wealthy educated Saudis, for whom woman are property, nor to Saudi practices that include paying starvation wages to Indian employees who are little better than slaves.

Rossi can turn to many different sources of sponsorship and as the most visible spokesman for the sport of MotoGp, he owes it to the public to set a reasonable moral standard. The Saudis maintain their dominance in their field using fear and intimidation, and severe repression of half the population, jailing people for dissonant thought and barbarous practices like beheading for infidelity.

To accept money from them, is in effect to condone what they do, and for anyone with even a speck of morals, this is not acceptable.

Always there will be some who will try to write off the idea of taking a moral stance as mere virtue signalling, but the economic boycott of South Africa is evidence that taking a stance really effects dramatic change for betterment of our fellow humans. Economic progress that stands on the necks of the less fortunate, ....... mankind’s evolution as a species.

Not acceptable for who? The United States supports Saudi and even has bases there (even though 9/11 highjackers came from there). Which government is doing something about China rounding up Uighurs and putting them into concentration camps? Is that not a human rights violation? Yet, people are still purchasing Chinese products.
 
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Not acceptable for who? The United States supports Saudi and even has bases there (even though 9/11 highjackers came from there). Which government is doing something about China rounding up Uighurs and putting them into concentration camps? Is that not a human rights violation? Yet, people are still purchasing Chinese products.

Not acceptable by humans with a conscious desire to evolve. I am not a government. I don’t subscribe to ...... practices by any government. I can’t boycott the military complex - but I sure as .... would never put my money in the hands of any racer who aids and abets the evil .... the Saudis do.
 
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Not acceptable by humans with a conscious desire to evolve. I am not a government. I don’t subscribe to ...... practices by any government. I can’t boycott the military complex - but I sure as .... would never put my money in the hands of any racer who aids and abets the evil .... the Saudis do.

But you have no problem putting your money in the hands of the Chinese who are currently committing far worse human rights violations than Saudis. You only jumped on your high horse because you already dislike Rossi. I don't think MotoGP uses any Chinese parts/products? :rolleyes:

I bet some Chinese parts can be found on the bikes you claim you ride.
I Ride: Triiumph Tiger XCx 800 + KTM SXF450sm + 511SMR
 
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But you have no problem putting your money in the hands of the Chinese who are currently committing far worse human rights violations than Saudis. You only jumped on your high horse because you already dislike Rossi. I don't think MotoGP uses any Chinese parts/products? :rolleyes:

I bet some Chinese parts can be found on the bikes you claim you ride.
I Ride: Triiumph Tiger XCx 800 + KTM SXF450sm + 511SMR

LOL...Love it...

America doesnt work without China and Chinese goods...or without Saudi oil and arms sales...

Isnt Qatar pretty evil as well?
 
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LOL...Love it...

America doesnt work without China and Chinese goods...or without Saudi oil and arms sales...

Isnt Qatar pretty evil as well?

Well, if you ask Saudi "government" they'd claim Qatar is evil which is why they initiated a blockade. Saudi doesn't like that Qatar does business with Iran so they accused them of sponsoring terrorism (how ironic lol). The blockade is now over, but there are still tensions between Saudi, Qatar, UAE, and Bahrain. Still, none of them are committing violations as bad as China.

China needs America (and other countries) more than America needs China. China does nothing but steal the technology that's manufactured in their country (and some that isn't). Without being dragged along technologically, China would fall flat on their face.
 
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But you have no problem putting your money in the hands of the Chinese who are currently committing far worse human rights violations than Saudis. You only jumped on your high horse because you already dislike Rossi. I don't think MotoGP uses any Chinese parts/products? :rolleyes:

I bet some Chinese parts can be found on the bikes you claim you ride.
I Ride: Triiumph Tiger XCx 800 + KTM SXF450sm + 511SMR

The use of absurdist-absolutist rationale is just that.

Progressive Guy says to Right-Wing Guy, Hey we’re up to our armpits in ..... Let’s dig our way out.

Right-Wing Guy says: Nah, why bother? The guy down the street is up to his eyeballs in .....

Nobody is perfect, and no sane person claims to be. It’s a question of where you draw the line. If not being pro-murder, or not being pro-beheading or not being anti-human rights is your definition of jumping on my high horse, then, yes, guilty as charged.

I’ve been around long enough to know, that it’s the rare person who’s capable of changing the mind of people who aren’t open the possibility of evolving a different world view.

I don’t come here to waste time trying to expand anyone’s awareness of the world beyond their backyard. I come here to waste time talking about racing.
 
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While I agree that those 'foaming at the mouth' over this issue need to spend more time looking closely in the mirror at their own behaviours and what they support through their own purchasing etc., this doesn't take away from the legitimacy of the criticism.

I see it as an indictment on pretty much us all. We practice the same thing.

The US wants Oil and they will 'get into bed' with the Saudis over it. This has been the practice since time immemorial to get needed resources. Those who benefit from it directly or indirectly then turn a blind eye to it.

Congnitive dissonance is a powerful force indeed for those caught in its influence. Rossi sees the problem but hopes with sports involvement in Saudi life, they can influence the questionable activities there, thus improving the human rights problems there. This will now justify their affiliation and make it seem the noble cause rather than the simple quest for money either out of desperation, want or plain greed. In their case, it would seem that they need to run their team and need sponsorship to do so. If they succeed, there will be two more riders on the grid, many a gainful employment. Furthermore, sponsorship isn't exactly the easiest thing to find in this era of the COVID pandemic when many a business that would normally be stepping forward to provide sponsorship are unable to. They struggle to maintain their current sponsorship agreements than to take on new ones. The oil rich nations become an attractive source then.
 
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"In an interview with GPOne, VR46 CEO Albert Telbadi, said the idea of a VR46 theme park, similar to the Ferrari World in Abu Dhabi, in Saudi Arabia had even been mooted."

Sounds good to me. All the Rossi fanatics can go to Riiad and wear tea-towel headgear with VR46 emblems on them, maybe go have themselves a bit of jihad against those Godless Marquez believers.
 
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Stupid article by a ...... politically correct guy. I stopped reading his .... articles from the time he's started to public his political views and mix things up with racing.

VR46 is not about saving the world, it's about racing. Also, his view on the thing is filled with preconception and assumptions based on more and more assumptions, the worst part being the following:

"The use of popular, major events, and extremely popular figures is meant to distract from the dark side of Saudi Arabia, and boost its image globally."

So is he saying absolutely all arabs in the world have entered sports with the solely objective of saving their image? Why do I have to believe this stupid vision? they are among the richest people in the world so maybe are they only trying to spend some money having some fun like any other normal people? Why do arabs have to "save their image"? Are they really concerned with it? What's the point of saving their image? Saving from who? From what, exactly? They are what they always have been for thousands of year and the world will need their oil (including the author) for a long time still despite their violent culture, so I don't get where exactly they are desperate to save their image. Whatever, VR46 doesn't need to mix political with racing business, these are things that stupid journazists do.

And the funniest part is that he wrote all this .... using a chinese manufactured notebook and spent all his day on twitter using his chinese manufactured phone. What a hypocritical ... hole this guy has become.
 
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The use of absurdist-absolutist rationale is just that.

Progressive Guy says to Right-Wing Guy, Hey we’re up to our armpits in ..... Let’s dig our way out.

Right-Wing Guy says: Nah, why bother? The guy down the street is up to his eyeballs in .....

Your story is funny despite being told inverted. The correct way is:

Right-Wing Guy says to Progressive Guy, Hey we’re up to our armpits in ..... Let’s dig our way out!

Progressive Guy says: Nah, why bother? The guy down the street is up to his eyeballs in .....

Normally right-wing people are the ones who take initiative to make things better as the progressive people are the ones standing still just appreciating how magically and "free" their food appears on their table everyday. All that despite being called progressive. I never got how progress can be made asking for a government to take care of our business.

I have been living on a socialist country since born and I can't help but tell people on the other end to never, never even considering jumping to the other side. You don't make a clue how .... socialists countries are. Basically people are asking for more and more government help, putting more and more resources on its hand, but this has only one way to end: corruption and the destruction of the society.

I feel sorry for USA "choosing" Biden over Trump.
 
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Your story is funny despite being told inverted. The correct way is:

Right-Wing Guy says to Progressive Guy, Hey we’re up to our armpits in ..... Let’s dig our way out!

Progressive Guy says: Nah, why bother? The guy down the street is up to his eyeballs in .....

Normally right-wing people are the ones who take initiative to make things better as the progressive people are the ones standing still just appreciating how magically and "free" their food appears on their table everyday. All that despite being called progressive. I never got how progress can be made asking for a government to take care of our business.

I have been living on a socialist country since born and I can't help but tell people on the other end to never, never even considering jumping to the other side. You don't make a clue how .... socialists countries are. Basically people are asking for more and more government help, putting more and more resources on its hand, but this has only one way to end: corruption and the destruction of the society.

I feel sorry for USA "choosing" Biden over Trump.

Above post brought to you by Kruger Dunning.

BTW, what with all you Brazilians being so politically astute and feeling free to lecture Americans on political choices one wonders, how's that whole herd immunity thing working out for you?
 
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Your story is funny despite being told inverted. The correct way is:

Right-Wing Guy says to Progressive Guy, Hey we’re up to our armpits in ..... Let’s dig our way out!

Progressive Guy says: Nah, why bother? The guy down the street is up to his eyeballs in .....

Normally right-wing people are the ones who take initiative to make things better as the progressive people are the ones standing still just appreciating how magically and "free" their food appears on their table everyday. All that despite being called progressive. I never got how progress can be made asking for a government to take care of our business.

I have been living on a socialist country since born and I can't help but tell people on the other end to never, never even considering jumping to the other side. You don't make a clue how .... socialists countries are. Basically people are asking for more and more government help, putting more and more resources on its hand, but this has only one way to end: corruption and the destruction of the society.

I feel sorry for USA "choosing" Biden over Trump.

LOL - Love it. This is like Trump after losing the election deciding to change his name to Joe Biden.:D
 
BTW, what with all you Brazilians being so politically astute, how's that whole heard immunity thing working out for you?

Nothing could sound more arrogant than that. But since you're not living here and you're being informed through television, I understand you know absolutely .... about what's really going on here.

Brazil is doing great on immunization program, and it could be much better if state governors and city mayors had not robbed a good amount of money, as always have been. We're fighting against a corruption network rooted in south america since the world war 2, unfortunately there is no easy way to turn things up democratically.

And a good advice: watch out for your own arse as they've just docked in your coast. Soon you're going to have a free sample to taste how good socialism really is.

Take care.
 
LOL - Love it. This is like Trump after losing the election deciding to change his name to Joe Biden.:D

You progressist are good at inverting things, lol. I think Trump doesn't lost this election. He is a wealthy man and can afford living anywhere in the world. Who really lost this election was US people.

Welcome to corruption state. Fasten your seat belt.
 
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You progressist are good at inverting things, lol. I think Trump doesn't lost this election. He is a wealthy man and can afford living anywhere in the world. Who really lost this election was US people.

Welcome to corruption state. Fasten your seat belt.

Ahhh... You awaken such fond memories.
 

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Nothing could sound more arrogant than that. But since you're not living here and you're being informed through television, I understand you know absolutely .... about what's really going on here.

Brazil is doing great on immunization program, and it could be much better if state governors and city mayors had not robbed a good amount of money, as always have been. We're fighting against a corruption network rooted in south america since the world war 2, unfortunately there is no easy way to turn things up democratically.

And a good advice: watch out for your own arse as they've just docked in your coast. Soon you're going to have a free sample to taste how good socialism really is.

Take care.

You mean like Denmark, Finland, Norway, Canada, Sweden, New Zealand, Luxenbourg, Belgium, Netherlands and France where everyone gets affordable health care, guaranteed vacation time, free day care, universal pre-k schooling, free college, and they never go to war? Wowee! That would be a tragedy. right?
 
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