In his explanation after the race he said he only slowed down to run Marc wide so he could get away from Marquez. There was only one way he was getting away from him & that was by Marc going down. Job done I guess.
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The guy in the car did not commit an act of violence, as the logic goes, he was justified (thanks Matt Oxley ) because like this guy (read the captions) he says, he was PROVOKED. Hahaha
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Is there a way to still frame when Rossi’s leg is off and away from his bike?Note how Marc goes down the very instant VR's leg extends (mimicking a kick to perfection).
Also, notice Rossi keeps Marc off balance by deliberately manipulating his machine's speed and direction.
Kick.
Note how Rossi re-positions his body just before the leg movement. He pushes off the handlebars and slides back a bit to get in a better position to kick. It's even more obvious on the frame by frame side-on slow motion sequence where you can see MM's handlebars move in a manner that is exactly consistent with Rossi's foot pushing them.
Side-on slow mo...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTZJJ7Ep8_M
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.... that's insane. VR looks right at Marc before the kick, if there would have been a clear visor I have no doubt the eyes would have been directed at his brake lever.
Notice also while VR is plotting his evil deed, Marc is still trying to recover from a racing posture to evasion. Totally caught off guard. Meanwhile VR knows exactly what he's doing in his fit of road rage.
Exactly how is this even debatable? Reminds me of those cop murders caught on tape and the defense they mount to justify the killing. 'Well your honor, I was in fear for my life.' But the suspect was handcuffed and hog tied! 'Yes your honor, but looks can kill.'
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Possibly though beyond my expertise.
Indeed -- as blatant a move as I've ever seen in racing.
Check out the movement of Rossi's body relative to the fuel tank: you can clearly see him slide back before the kick and you can see how the weight of his kick pushes him back towards the fuel tank.
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And that's the stuff that was public. Rascal Direction have more camera angles and had 30+ minutes to review it. How in Jesus Christ Superstar's name did they not issue a black flag?
Well...if MurderMac ever reappears, he now knows its acceptable to kick a guy off his bike and keep the points.
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Indeed... but has never kicked anybody that I know of. He rides aggressively, but he's not an aggressive person, or dirty, like Rossi. Two different things. Resisting the urge to ram him off the track rather than going into the pits is a testament of his maturity, especially after Rossi crashed him a few races earlier with another dirty move on him.
On your first statement, seems like you skipped all your physics classes
. A motorcycle going straight is dead stable... but not leaned over.On your second statement, the bike was leaned over, with the brake lever exposed for a lateral hit. If the slow-mo is not obvious enough to you, telemetry proves it conclusively.
Indeed. And Marquez wasn't even that aggressive there; all clean passes. Just great racing. But the diva Rossi expected everybody to just pull over and let him pass. And yes, this supposedly from the guy who loves to race hard. At the beginning of the season I still had him in high regard, but started going downhill from there, culminating with Sepang. Now I won't even print what I think of the guy. He's obviously a great rider, but a sore loser ahole. And just like the first post video shows, if things didn't go his way, he behaved like a rule-breaking a$$ then, as he did it now. But at least now he got a slap on his wrist (rather than disqualification), but it was enough to cost him the championship, fortunately. Hopefully he learned his lesson, and won't pull that crap ever again. And I'm sure Marquez also learned to next time take the high ground instead. And if he didn't learn that, I'm sure Honda will shove it in his a$$. Ha ha. And finally, if Rossi had been penalized when he crashed Marquez the first time, the situation wouldn't have escalated to where it did (Rossi getting cockier, and Marquez frustrated). Hope Dorna/FIM/or whoever is in charge of MotoGP rules, that also learned their lesson that you CANNOT treat any rider above the law, even Rossi. Let's hope for a great 2016 season, with great racing... whoever wins. And yes, even Rossi... but fair and square
. Just not Lorenzo again. Ha ha.
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Indeed... but has never kicked anybody that I know of. He rides aggressively, but he's not an aggressive person, or dirty, like Rossi. Two different things. Resisting the urge to ram him off the track rather than going into the pits is a testament of his maturity, especially after Rossi crashed him a few races earlier with another dirty move on him.
On your first statement, seems like you skipped all your physics classes
On your second statement, the bike was leaned over, with the brake lever exposed for a lateral hit. If the slow-mo is not obvious enough to you, telemetry proves it conclusively.
Indeed. And Marquez wasn't even that aggressive there; all clean passes. Just great racing. But the diva Rossi expected everybody to just pull over and let him pass. And yes, this supposedly from the guy who loves to race hard. At the beginning of the season I still had him in high regard, but started going downhill from there, culminating with Sepang. Now I won't even print what I think of the guy. He's obviously a great rider, but a sore loser ahole. And just like the first post video shows, if things didn't go his way, he behaved like a rule-breaking a$$ then, as he did it now. But at least now he got a slap on his wrist (rather than disqualification), but it was enough to cost him the championship, fortunately. Hopefully he learned his lesson, and won't pull that crap ever again. And I'm sure Marquez also learned to next time take the high ground instead. And if he didn't learn that, I'm sure Honda will shove it in his a$$. Ha ha. And finally, if Rossi had been penalized when he crashed Marquez the first time, the situation wouldn't have escalated to where it did (Rossi getting cockier, and Marquez frustrated). Hope Dorna/FIM/or whoever is in charge of MotoGP rules, that also learned their lesson that you CANNOT treat any rider above the law, even Rossi. Let's hope for a great 2016 season, with great racing... whoever wins. And yes, even Rossi... but fair and square
Oh man. I was with you until the very last line. lol
This super slow-mo shows why if you race VR you'll eventually run into his boot through no fault of his.
I do wonder what the chat would be if the shoe was on the other foot
Don't worry; chances of that happening are slim to none
. This was his last chance. He knew it, the pressure and ego got to him... and he blew it. But again, if he was to win fair and square all season, I wouldn't have a problem with that. A lot of athletes are aholes, and many way worse than him; just look at NFL headlines (ha ha). I won't be rooting for him, but I'm a fan of great racing. Therefore, I want the best to win, not the one I'm rooting for. That's probably why I'm not a fan of any rider, player, or team... or car, bike, or car/bike company. Then you want your guy/bike/car to ALWAYS win at any cost, even when they cheat/lie/etc. That would show a lack of character. I just want to have a good time watching competitive races (only follow MotoGP and F1). And a few games like the World Cup finals, World Series, and Super Bowl. And during months of chemo, a ton of TV series too. He he. Getting ready for the second barrage of treatments in March, so will probably start watching MotoAmerica too (already finished the best TV series). Take care folks.
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Ouch! And here we are discussing the relative merits of spoiled-rotten multimillionaires riding their favorite toys.
Hang in there. All the best.
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Don't worry; chances of that happening are slim to none
Agree 100% with your sentiments...all the best.
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