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NJ
Okay Mick, and my original point still remains the same.
It would be of interest to people here, which it clearly was.
Why do you give so much of a ....?
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NJ
The only irony i see lately is you . Seeing the evolution of your posts since you joined. Both frequency and opinion. We got it. Move on, more places than stoners heart.
Joined Apr 2015
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NJ
Nothing to do with who is a fan of whoever . Easy shot eh . Don't divert the point.
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NJ
If you don't like topic or subject matter, don't read it or post in it.
Simple solution.
bro, this video is 18 years old...
If you think the "kick" on Marquez relates to this at all, I want some of whatever you're smoking
If you think the "kick" on Marquez relates to this at all, I want some of whatever you're smoking
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NJ
Actually it does factor in because it shows a rider who hasn't had qualms about engaging in questionable behavior.
So instead of asking for 'whatever I'm smoking', you should be asking yourself what you've been smoking since it seems to have obliterated part of your brain.
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Your Mom's House
If you were to catalog every rider in GP for the last 18 years (in the thousands I'm sure) and develop list by name of each one that has kicked another rider like this, twice, in those years, how long a list do you think you'd end up with?
20?
15?
10?
5?
1?
Seriously? Look at both incidents. in 1997 Rossi lays the boots to the guy and he doesnt even move, now all the anti-Rossi people are saying that moving his knee took down Marquez? Use whats left of your cognitive function and try to explain that, keeping in mind that there is a full guard on MM's bike to prevent the brake lever being impacted.
Then, you can explain how at 36 you are of exactly the same temperament and mindset as you are at 19.
Bottom line, this video has zero relation to the Sepang incident, and if you're still believing that VR46 could move MM's whole body weight far enough to get his foot free, then place a kick with a maximum 3 inch target, while riding a 1000cc motorcycle going around a corner while looking the other way, maybe it should be you, not those who think MM helped JL, who needs a new tin foil hat.
See the post above, if you still think Rossi kicked Marquez, I'd make an appointment with your phsycian and get yourself checked for a concussion
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Fascinating. Arrabi, you just got back from a track day, about how many pounds of pressure do you need on the lever to stop your bike?
Are you aware that a very slight amount of force by two fingers is enough to stop dead 250lbs? All Rossi's kick needed to do was hit Marc's hand and engage the brake. Cognitive enough for you to understand the mechanism of motorcycles?
Laughing that you think a kick out is not enough to disrupt another rider. What matters is the leverage and the impact it may produce. You can kick a rider 10x and he not go down, but one well placed kick and he is toast. Considering Sepang, Rossi looked back several times to see exactly where his target was, it is not inconceivable that he knew exactly where to place such an impact. Whether by luck or design the the effect of his kick was the same. From this old video Rossi's kick did little effect, yet you want to argue mechanics, which you've done poorly, but missed the entire point. Rossi's temperament by definition has not changed much if 18 years later he feels it appropriate to lash out and kick out to another rider when a 'perception' of provocation is a standard in his mind. One that has never been sanctioned to the point he wouldn't ever try it again.
Just imagine if all the riders took this example? To kick out based on their PERCEPTION of provocation. Every hard pass could easily be turned into a kicking incident. All the perpetrator has to say is, well I felt he provoked me. So he got what he asked for. He got what was coming.
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Attempt to answer my question. In your estimation, how many would a list consists of, if you were in the last 18 years, filtering riders for two kick outs like we see in the video. I'm sure the list would be very short. There are riders with such a temperament but it is more rare than common. 20? 10? 2? 1?
I admittedly have no idea how many times its happened, and I agree the list would be short.
What I'm saying is, Rossi was looking away, leaning into the corner when Marc went down, also, marks entire upper body was leaned on that leg, now, I'm not sure what kind of bionic man you believe Vale to be, but to move his foot off the oeg he would have had to move Marquez's entire body with the strentgh of his outer thigh muscle, that's quite a feat, then he would have to lift his leg to clear the peg, move his foot out from where it was pinned, and still hit that small target.
Come on man, you have to admit its pretty far fetched.
I personally don't think Rossi deliberately kicked MM, but he did make a deliberate premeditated dirty and illegal move (the latter RD's ruling rather than my opinion) which took MM out of the race, in the course of which his foot contacted MM's bike, so Rossi is in any event responsible for his foot contacting MM's bike.
However, if we are to apply the standards of evidence which you guys and Rossi himself have applied to the recent PI race, MM thinks Rossi kicked him and he was the one out there on the track, therefore he must have kicked him.
If we are to look at track records for past behaviour, VR's is much better than MM's as I have said on this thread.
Have you even watched the frame by frame slow motion video?? This has all been explained in minute detail: what is your problem?
My problem is everyone taking this ghost kick and making it out to be fact. I've seen the video, every angle I could find, and nowhere do I see a kicking motion, Rossi definitely moved his leg outwards, but nowhere did i see it come backwards, nor did it come off the peg until MM was falling.
For the record I think Rossi could have played it a little cooler and not run him out that far, but the way Marc was riding in that race was going to end with both riders on the ground at a much higher speed.
