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Video of VR kicking rider in 125cc 1997

Exactly, they'd say Marquez 100% kicked him.

Rossi has form, he kicked Stoner off in Jerez 2011 too ;)

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Yes but as you can see Stoner was not mad at him for it. He applauded how hard Rossi worked to get back into the race. He even asked if Rossi's shoulder was ok.http://motogpforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11589&stc=1&d=1447420822
 

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I love how everyone glossed right over what I wrote here before. It makes your "kick" theory seem very improbable if not impossible, so everyone ignores it.


What I'm saying is, Rossi was looking away, leaning into the corner when Marc went down, also, marks entire upper body was leaned on that leg, now, I'm not sure what kind of bionic man you believe Vale to be, but to move his foot off the peg he would have had to move Marquez's entire body with the strentgh of his outer thigh muscle, that's quite a feat, then he would have to lift his leg to clear the peg, move his foot out from where it was pinned, and still hit that small target.

What are the chances that with Marc leaning on VR, trying to keep himself on the track, ran his hand into some part of Rossi's bike? I think thats a much more probable cause of the crash, was it a dirty move by VR to run him wide? Possibly. I come from an MX background where if you leave the door open you're liable to get your front wheel cleaned out just because. So IMO with the way Marc was making passes within inches at high speeds, cutting across VR's front wheel at high speeds, running him out to the rumble strips etc. that kind of thing will get you punted in MX. Maybe my view is different because of the type of riding I do, but I think that running him wide was justified. In retrospect, he did take it a little too far, but I still firmly believe the moves MM pulled were more dangerous than Rossi slowing the pace and putting him on the ground on the outside of the corner.

If Vale's front wheel had touched MM's rear wheel when he cut across his nose just before Rossi got mad, both riders would have had high sides at a much higher speed than the crash Rossi caused. The anti-Rossi people will say MM was in front, its his track, his line, but if thats true, then you have no right to complain about VR taking a wide line.
 
I love how everyone glossed right over what I wrote here before. It makes your "kick" theory seem very improbable if not impossible, so everyone ignores it.


What I'm saying is, Rossi was looking away, leaning into the corner when Marc went down, also, marks entire upper body was leaned on that leg, now, I'm not sure what kind of bionic man you believe Vale to be, but to move his foot off the peg he would have had to move Marquez's entire body with the strentgh of his outer thigh muscle, that's quite a feat, then he would have to lift his leg to clear the peg, move his foot out from where it was pinned, and still hit that small target.

What are the chances that with Marc leaning on VR, trying to keep himself on the track, ran his hand into some part of Rossi's bike? I think thats a much more probable cause of the crash, was it a dirty move by VR to run him wide? Possibly. I come from an MX background where if you leave the door open you're liable to get your front wheel cleaned out just because. So IMO with the way Marc was making passes within inches at high speeds, cutting across VR's front wheel at high speeds, running him out to the rumble strips etc. that kind of thing will get you punted in MX. Maybe my view is different because of the type of riding I do, but I think that running him wide was justified. In retrospect, he did take it a little too far, but I still firmly believe the moves MM pulled were more dangerous than Rossi slowing the pace and putting him on the ground on the outside of the corner.

If Vale's front wheel had touched MM's rear wheel when he cut across his nose just before Rossi got mad, both riders would have had high sides at a much higher speed than the crash Rossi caused. The anti-Rossi people will say MM was in front, its his track, his line, but if thats true, then you have no right to complain about VR taking a wide line.


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So you don't have a rebuttal then..

to equate that kick from 19 years ago to the so called "kick" from sepang is ridiculous and you know it. I know for a fact I've changed a lot since I was 19, and I'm a lot younger than Vale.

Its hilarious that I make a well reasoned post explaining exactly how and why I came to my conclusion and the best youve got are a couple of overused GIFs. If you're so dedicated to the idea that Rossi viciously kicked MM then humor me with a real response, otherwise youre nothing but a Rossi hater grasping desperately at straws
 
So you don't have a rebuttal then..

to equate that kick from 19 years ago to the so called "kick" from sepang is ridiculous and you know it. I know for a fact I've changed a lot since I was 19, and I'm a lot younger than Vale.

Its hilarious that I make a well reasoned post explaining exactly how and why I came to my conclusion and the best youve got are a couple of overused GIFs. If you're so dedicated to the idea that Rossi viciously kicked MM then humor me with a real response, otherwise youre nothing but a Rossi hater grasping desperately at straws

You have no clue.
 
I love how everyone glossed right over what I wrote here before. It makes your "kick" theory seem very improbable if not impossible, so everyone ignores it.


What I'm saying is, Rossi was looking away, leaning into the corner when Marc went down, also, marks entire upper body was leaned on that leg, now, I'm not sure what kind of bionic man you believe Vale to be, but to move his foot off the peg he would have had to move Marquez's entire body with the strentgh of his outer thigh muscle, that's quite a feat, then he would have to lift his leg to clear the peg, move his foot out from where it was pinned, and still hit that small target.

What are the chances that with Marc leaning on VR, trying to keep himself on the track, ran his hand into some part of Rossi's bike? I think thats a much more probable cause of the crash, was it a dirty move by VR to run him wide? Possibly. I come from an MX background where if you leave the door open you're liable to get your front wheel cleaned out just because. So IMO with the way Marc was making passes within inches at high speeds, cutting across VR's front wheel at high speeds, running him out to the rumble strips etc. that kind of thing will get you punted in MX. Maybe my view is different because of the type of riding I do, but I think that running him wide was justified. In retrospect, he did take it a little too far, but I still firmly believe the moves MM pulled were more dangerous than Rossi slowing the pace and putting him on the ground on the outside of the corner.

If Vale's front wheel had touched MM's rear wheel when he cut across his nose just before Rossi got mad, both riders would have had high sides at a much higher speed than the crash Rossi caused. The anti-Rossi people will say MM was in front, its his track, his line, but if thats true, then you have no right to complain about VR taking a wide line.


It suites your fantasy to believe it was glossed over when in fact it was considered and rejected as nonsense. Your analysis is based on false premises: garbage in, garbage out.

Anyone which half a brain can see that MM was already clear of Rossi's leg and moving backwards relative to him when the kick started. So all of your righteous bleating about the need for superhuman powers is complete .........

Where is your rebuttal of my analysis?
 
was it a dirty move by VR to run him wide? Possibly. I come from an MX background where if you leave the door open you're liable to get your front wheel cleaned out just because. So IMO with the way Marc was making passes within inches at high speeds, cutting across VR's front wheel at high speeds, running him out to the rumble strips etc. that kind of thing will get you punted in MX. Maybe my view is different because of the type of riding I do,

If Vale's front wheel had touched MM's rear wheel when he cut across his nose just before Rossi got mad, both riders would have had high sides at a much higher speed than the crash Rossi caused. The anti-Rossi people will say MM was in front, its his track, his line, but if thats true, then you have no right to complain about VR taking a wide line.
The moves Marquez was making may have looked scary and dangerous to a novice fan with no roadracing experience, but that was some of the best riding i have ever seen right up to Rossi losing his mind. I dont know what actually caused Marc to go down, but the only thing that matters is it was Rossi's actions that caused it PERIOD. And no, MX and Moto GP are nothing alike except they are both done on machines with 2 wheels. Barreling into a corner on a straight line intersecting with another rider, then stopping to block his path may be acceptable in MX, but not on 220 mph missiles on pavement. Wrecking people on purpose in road racing will result in riders getting killed, not so much in MX.
 
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...What I'm saying is, Rossi was looking away, leaning into the corner when Marc went down, also, marks entire upper body was leaned on that leg, now, I'm not sure what kind of bionic man you believe Vale to be, but to move his foot off the peg he would have had to move Marquez's entire body with the strentgh of his outer thigh muscle, that's quite a feat, then he would have to lift his leg to clear the peg, move his foot out from where it was pinned, and still hit that small target...

What you're writing is fan-fiction. I suggest that instead of using your yellow-fevered imagination you watch the clips again and see what's there, not what you'd like to see.

Cheers.
 
The moves Marquez was making may have looked scary and dangerous to a novice fan with no roadracing experience, but that was some of the best riding i have ever seen right up to Rossi losing his mind. I dont know what actually caused Marc to go down, but the only thing that matters is it was Rossi's actions that caused it PERIOD. And no, MX and Moto GP are nothing alike except they are both done on machines with 2 wheels. Barreling into a corner on a straight line intersecting with another rider, then stopping to block his path may be acceptable in MX, but not on 220 mph missiles on pavement. Wrecking people on purpose in road racing will result in riders getting killed, not so much in MX.

LOL, I said im from an MX background, not that I've never roadraced before. I've been a fan of motoGP and roadracing since going to my first race and watching my dad on his RZ350. I know roadracing, and I know that if anyone was going to cause an accident with serious consequences, it was Marquez. The fact that you think thats clean riding shows exactly how little you know about racing.

There is an unwritten but widely accepted rule in all racing, hold your line, you dont change lines just to keep someone behind you, its dangerous and irresponsible riding, the fact that Dorna let it slide to me is a joke. Cutting across Rossi's nose multiple times was dirty and stupidly dangerous.

If you knew anything about MX, you'd know that most block passes dont involve contact, just one rider forcing the other to brake, which is what Vale was trying to do in a much less agressive manner. Marquez wasn't smart enough to realize he'd been outfoxed and his only option was to brake, thats why he went down.
 
LOL, I said im from an MX background, not that I've never roadraced before. I've been a fan of motoGP and roadracing since going to my first race and watching my dad on his RZ350. I know roadracing, and I know that if anyone was going to cause an accident with serious consequences, it was Marquez. The fact that you think thats clean riding shows exactly how little you know about racing.



There is an unwritten but widely accepted rule in all racing, hold your line, you dont change lines just to keep someone behind you, its dangerous and irresponsible riding, the fact that Dorna let it slide to me is a joke. Cutting across Rossi's nose multiple times was dirty and stupidly dangerous.



If you knew anything about MX, you'd know that most block passes dont involve contact, just one rider forcing the other to brake, which is what Vale was trying to do in a much less agressive manner. Marquez wasn't smart enough to realize he'd been outfoxed and his only option was to brake, thats why he went down.


Still waiting for your reasoned rebuttal of my analysis...
 
LOL, I said im from an MX background, not that I've never roadraced before. I've been a fan of motoGP and roadracing since going to my first race and watching my dad on his RZ350. I know roadracing, and I know that if anyone was going to cause an accident with serious consequences, it was Marquez. The fact that you think thats clean riding shows exactly how little you know about racing.

There is an unwritten but widely accepted rule in all racing, hold your line, you dont change lines just to keep someone behind you, its dangerous and irresponsible riding, the fact that Dorna let it slide to me is a joke. Cutting across Rossi's nose multiple times was dirty and stupidly dangerous.

If you knew anything about MX, you'd know that most block passes dont involve contact, just one rider forcing the other to brake, which is what Vale was trying to do in a much less agressive manner. Marquez wasn't smart enough to realize he'd been outfoxed and his only option was to brake, thats why he went down.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
...Its hilarious that I make a well reasoned post explaining exactly how and why I came to my conclusion and the best youve got are a couple of overused GIFs. If you're so dedicated to the idea that Rossi viciously kicked MM then humor me with a real response, otherwise youre nothing but a Rossi hater grasping desperately at straws

I see you've decided that your eyes are not to be trusted. Perhaps further testing is warranted:

How many fingers am I holding up?

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It suites your fantasy to believe it was glossed over when in fact it was considered and rejected as nonsense. Your analysis is based on false premises: garbage in, garbage out.

Anyone which half a brain can see that MM was already clear of Rossi's leg and moving backwards relative to him when the kick started. So all of your righteous bleating about the need for superhuman powers is complete .........

Where is your rebuttal of my analysis?

When MM hit Rossi, he felt the added weight pushing his lean angle further inside, what do you do to counterbalance when that happens? You see it all the tims when riders low side, first thing they do when they start going down is lift their leg in an attempt to counterbalance. He was struggling to keep his balance. You are right about one thing though, by the time Rossi's foot came off, Marquez was already on his way down, after watching the slowed down shot from above, MM appears to run his hand into either Rossi's peg or his boot, likely his boot, forcing VR's foot off the peg and locking MM's front wheel. So i guess you could say Rossi kicked him, in a "you ran into my fist and said I punched you" kind of way
 
When MM hit Rossi, he felt the added weight pushing his lean angle further inside, what do you do to counterbalance when that happens? You see it all the tims when riders low side, first thing they do when they start going down is lift their leg in an attempt to counterbalance. He was struggling to keep his balance. You are right about one thing though, by the time Rossi's foot came off, Marquez was already on his way down, after watching the slowed down shot from above, MM appears to run his hand into either Rossi's peg or his boot, likely his boot, forcing VR's foot off the peg and locking MM's front wheel. So i guess you could say Rossi kicked him, in a "you ran into my fist and said I punched you" kind of way


In the front on shot you can clearly see that there was no reflex, sideways weight-shift from Rossi. When riders low-side, the reflex action is to turn in to stand the bike up. Rossi did no such thing, in fact the only thing that moved was his leg, apart from that he looked perfectly comfortable and balanced. There were two movements with his leg: first to push with his knee in response to contact with MM's helmet (which is fair enough) and the second - after they had separated - to kick MM (which is the problem). You can clearly see Rossi shift his weight backwards before he kicked, in order to get more weight into it, then you can see his body move forward towards the tank, propelled by the force of his kick (Newton's third law of motion).

There are not enough ....... pixels in the overhead shot to resolve MM's hand and whether or not MM was on the way down or not when VR kicked him is not relevant. Or are you saying it's ok to kick a rider when he's down?
 
When MM hit Rossi, he felt the added weight pushing his lean angle further inside, what do you do to counterbalance when that happens? You see it all the tims when riders low side, first thing they do when they start going down is lift their leg in an attempt to counterbalance. He was struggling to keep his balance. You are right about one thing though, by the time Rossi's foot came off, Marquez was already on his way down, after watching the slowed down shot from above, MM appears to run his hand into either Rossi's peg or his boot, likely his boot, forcing VR's foot off the peg and locking MM's front wheel. So i guess you could say Rossi kicked him, in a "you ran into my fist and said I punched you" kind of way

Why do you keep getting hung up on this? Here's the bottom line for the last ...... time. If Rossi doesnt open his yapper at Sepang likely NONE of this happens period.
 

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. So i guess you could say Rossi kicked him, in a "you ran into my fist and said I punched you" kind of way

Your entire argument about the whole incident self-rebutted, anything that transpired with MM in the whole incident which resulted in him going down was a result of Rossi's illegal move.
 
There is an unwritten but widely accepted rule in all racing, hold your line, you dont change lines just to keep someone behind you, its dangerous and irresponsible riding, the fact that Dorna let it slide to me is a joke. Cutting across Rossi's nose multiple times was dirty and stupidly dangerous.

Ok, I was trying to not get involved in another sea of yellow but ............ with regards the bolded part above

Rossi ADMITS that he ran wide and OFF THE RACING LINE to push MM wide

He further ADMITS that he SLOWED TO A NEAR STOP

So, he changed his line and slowed to a stop in front of Marquez ............ is that not (to quote you here) - 'dangerous and irresponsible riding'


Further, to use your comments may I take you back to Argentina .......... One rider exited a corner, changed line and collided with a second ......... that second rider fell. Again, may I refer to your bolded comment above


And I suspect that you do not know all there is to know about racing as else you would recognise that MM's moves were NO MORE DANGEROUS than those pulled by Valentino at PI when he committed at least 2 block passes on MM alone, or Ianonne at PI.
 
Ok, I was trying to not get involved in another sea of yellow but ............ with regards the bolded part above

Rossi ADMITS that he ran wide and OFF THE RACING LINE to push MM wide

He further ADMITS that he SLOWED TO A NEAR STOP

So, he changed his line and slowed to a stop in front of Marquez ............ is that not (to quote you here) - 'dangerous and irresponsible riding'


Further, to use your comments may I take you back to Argentina .......... One rider exited a corner, changed line and collided with a second ......... that second rider fell. Again, may I refer to your bolded comment above


And I suspect that you do not know all there is to know about racing as else you would recognise that MM's moves were NO MORE DANGEROUS than those pulled by Valentino at PI when he committed at least 2 block passes on MM alone, or Ianonne at PI.

Its one thing to "push" a rider wide, its quite another to cut across his nose under braking at high speed. I'm not talking about holding to the fastest line around the corner, I'm saying hold the line you're on AKA don't change lines right in front of someone.

Argentina happened because 1. MM hit Rossi and knocked him off line, so he had to get back over 2. MM didn't have the foresight to realize when VR changed body position his bike would move. You can't blame Rossi for the Argentina crash, that was all Marc.
 

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