Valentino Rossi

stiefel said:

What is the interesting question for me, is whether Ezy should be saying these things. Is it ok for people that in postions of supposed impartiality to publicly take sides?

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Ez did not say, "I want to see Vale winning races in 2013" he said, "Vale will be on a competitive bike in 2013". As the public face of DORNA/MGP it is Ez' job to promote the show. I do not see any conflict of interest in him promoting his product, just stupidity in timing and phrasing - but then again what should we expect from a cook turned king?

Jumkie said:

Holy ...., thats amazing. Peeps actually questioning, debating, downplaying, re-inventing, revising, rational-LIESing what Ezy said and meant and the revelation that followed? Dude basically said, HE has already put VR on a competitive bike fir next year, so boppers, keep the faith, and now we want to imagine it didnt happen. U guys are ........! What more ....... proof, "evidence" do u need? Obviously none is enuf. A press release wouldnt convince u guys. U would start analyzing the words, surely saying something got lost in translation, bla bla bla.



Ezy effectively acted as VRs personal manager/agent with all the benefit and power of his office, the result was a massive bail out for Rossi to Yamaha (could have just as easily gone factory Honda under sat colors.) that is the FACT. .... all u lames asking for proof. U just as soon stick ur head up ur ... if the secret taped meetings were produced.



So typical. Its there in ur face and out come the chickenshit, prove it. Where is the press release the rookie rule was changed exclusively for Marc/HRCs predicament? It all unfolds before us, and even now more blantant and scandalous than in years past, and peeps still with feces in their eyes from head-in-... syndrome.

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Scotty...? SS56...? Pinky...? Which one of you got a hold of Jum's keyboard?

Mick D said:

Scotty...? SS56...? Pinky...? Which one of you got a hold of Jum's keyboard?

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Whichever offered the most Tequila





Only it wouldn't be SS, Jums would kill him cause of the stance by SS on Haystacks

Mick D said:

Ez did not say, "I want to see Vale winning races in 2013" he said, "Vale will be on a competitive bike in 2013". As the public face of DORNA/MGP it is Ez' job to promote the show. I do not see any conflict of interest in him promoting his product, just stupidity in timing and phrasing - but then again what should we expect from a cook turned king?

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Translated, the quote was: "I am calm. Valentino next year will be riding a competitive bike, but I [can't] tell you what it is. It is still too early to talk about: in 2013 we will see Rossi fight for the win... again ." I find it hard to interpret this any other way than as a public admission of favortism.

So .... is this the first time somebody has been sacked to make way for Rossi on a team? You know, Spies was booted to make room for Rossi ..... like that?

stiefel said:

Translated, the quote was: "I am calm. Valentino next year will be riding a competitive bike, but I [can't] tell you what it is. It is still too early to talk about: in 2013 we will see Rossi fight for the win... again ." I find it hard to interpret this any other way than as a public admission of favortism.

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Again Stief... Full quote does not change the fact that there is no favouritism in what Carmelo said. The public face of the owner of MGP is saying that one of MGPs premier riders will be back on a competitive bike. To me no different than a corporate CEO saying one of his company's products is being revamped and competitive in the market again. Where is the "favouritism"?

Mick D said:

Again Stief... Full quote does not change the fact that there is no favouritism in what Carmelo said. The public face of the owner of MGP is saying that one of MGPs premier riders will be back on a competitive bike. To me no different than a corporate CEO saying one of his company's products is being revamped and competitive in the market again. Where is the "favouritism"?

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Mick, that is a reasonable comparison, but what is the product of which Carmelo speaks.



Is the product MGP or is the product Rossi (in your analogy).



Asking as a CEO is responsible for the organisation and product (DORNA and MotoGP). The CEO rarely cares for or gets involved in the decisions regarding the ingredients that go towards making that product as they are in general making decisions based on information supplied to them by teams specifically for the purpose of ingredient selection and preparation.

Mick D said:

Again Stief... Full quote does not change the fact that there is no favouritism in what Carmelo said. The public face of the owner of MGP is saying that one of MGPs premier riders will be back on a competitive bike. To me no different than a corporate CEO saying one of his company's products is being revamped and competitive in the market again. Where is the "favouritism"?

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"I am calm." .... Not, "I am indifferent".

Gaz, I see the analogy like this:



MGP is a brand in the sphere of the motor racing market.

Parellel - Coke Cola is a brand in the non alcoholic beverages market



The riders ARE the product, they are the Coke (Stoner), Coke classic (Rossi), Sprite (Jorge), Ginger Ale (Bradley Smith), Coke Lite (Pedders), etc...

stiefel said:

"I am calm." .... Not, "I am indifferent".

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WTF does Carmelo's lack of stress have to do with favouritism?

Mick D said:

WTF does Carmelo's lack of stress have to do with favouritism?

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Seriously? So this was just a notifications of Ezy's personal well-being, completely unrelated to the following sentence?

You wanna dissect? I take it as, "I have been stressed for a year and a half because one of my premier products has been under performing. Now I am calm because one of my premier products will be competitive again." Where is the favouritism? You do realise that he is trying to sell the MGP brand to people, yes?

Mick D said:

Gaz, I see the analogy like this:



MGP is a brand in the sphere of the motor racing market.

Parellel - Coke Cola is a brand in the non alcoholic beverages market



The riders ARE the product, they are the Coke (Stoner), Coke classic (Rossi), Sprite (Jorge), Ginger Ale (Bradley Smith), Coke Lite (Pedders), etc...

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Fair call Mick, I guess we just see the classifications as a different level .......................... but just to continue it as I enjoy cordial debate and discussion.



If Ross is a product (as per your explanation) it is definitely fair to try to improve or upgrade that product and many CEO's have over years made open and positive statements regarding that product (such as, we will be improving Coke classic and relaunching it as a better product).



However, very few will make that comment without knowing that 'something' is happening that will change that product for the better as they are in a position to know what in general terms is being done, why and when all is expected. Very few CEO's would make brioad sweeping statements about improving products without knowing that 'changes are in the wings' (all IMO of course)





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Another thought.



If the products are the riders than Ezpeleta (as CEO) should be as publically concerned about Stoner and Spies who are products who have shown dissatisfaction but instead in the case of Stoner he was openly critical (can accept that CS' attack was personal but as a CEO he still need to be relatively impartial). Instead we do not see Ezpeleta as concerned about the other products that are not performing (ie. CRT) but seemingly focussed on one product which he sees as critical for the survival of the organisation.

Gaz - first point.



I DO believe Ezzy knew there was "something in the wings" but I do not believe he was the mastermind of it.



Second point.



Rightly or wrongly I think Ezzxy does see Vale as the one of the products which are critical for the short term survival of the organisation and one whose best before date is rapidly approaching. As any CEO I can see that he may be less distressed and more likely to write-off one of his less profitable and poorly performing products (Spies) as there are other products in the Moto2 pipeline. Casey, as always it seems, is an anomaly. A clearly superior product which unfortunately seemed to appeal to only a relatively small part of the market.



BTW - where is Lex...? I get the feeling he'd school us in this business analogy!! LOL!!

This is fun Mick and thanks for keeping it that way.

Mick D said:

Gaz - first point.



I DO believe Ezzy knew there was "something in the wings" but I do not believe he was the mastermind of it.

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I personally have absolutely no doubt that he knew something was happening and (IMO only) I have no doubt he knew that it would involve Rossi leaving Ducati. I also strongly suspect that he knew the result would most likely be a Yamaha given the manner in which Rossi split from Honda/HRC as against Yamaha which was far more cordial (and as we know, it takes generations for some to forget past wrongs, real or perceived)



I do not know if he was involved in the opening of the discussion or played an active role in the move of teams but will not deny that I do have unfounded suspicions based on my mistrust of Ezpeleta and all things CEO/CIO (as I have an ingrained mistrust of most CEO level people )

Mick D said:

Second point.



Rightly or wrongly I think Ezzxy does see Vale as the one of the products which are critical for the short term survival of the organisation and one whose best before date is rapidly approaching. As any CEO I can see that he may be less distressed and more likely to write-off one of his less profitable and poorly performing products (Spies) as there are other products in the Moto2 pipeline. Casey, as always it seems, is an anomaly. A clearly superior product which unfortunately seemed to appeal to only a relatively small part of the market.

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I don't disagree at all, and this is where I feel we have stronger differences as for me this is where he shows his favouritism/impartiality as he seems to almost wholly focus on Rossi (right or wrongly - depends on one's view).



Yes, a CEO does need to look at short term and yes I do suspect that he is planning for longer term which is why I suspect that we are only at the tip and there will be larger changes before season 2014 in terms of teams, rules and personnel.



It is this aspect where I feel Ezpeleta lacked as he has placed all of his eggs into the Rossi basket and as we know, many of those eggs got broken in 2010/2011 but rather than look for more baskets, all he is doing is replacing the eggs and hioping that these do not get broken whilst wishing that a basket just appears (trying a bit of lexism there)

Mick D said:

You wanna dissect? I take it as, "I have been stressed for a year and a half because one of my premier products has been under performing. Now I am calm because one of my premier products will be competitive again." Where is the favouritism? You do realise that he is trying to sell the MGP brand to people, yes?

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There I go thinking he's trying to sell the commercial rights to the sport.

No one's paying for the rights to a ...... brand. Fix the brand sell the rights.

Mick D said:

No one's paying for the rights to a ...... brand. Fix the brand sell the rights.

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Exactly, and Motogp is in rare territory.



Rossi was interested in Yamaha again, Yamaha was interested in Rossi. What is so hard to believe here? The partnership between Rossi and Yamaha yielded unparalleled success in the modern era, 46 WINS, 4 world titles. There has been no better pairing since Doohan and Honda.



Those here who choose to believe that this signing is only a direct result of corporate influence from Dorna I submitt this......Rossi is the most successful rider of the modern age, Rossi is the trump card in Motogp. Honda, Ducati and Yamaha all offered him a ride for next season-yamaha have failed to secure a title sponsor since Rossi left-so a question, If Ezys comments can be portrayed as confirmation of an inside deal, then it's fair to say that Ezy also persuaded Audi to bend over backwards to retain Rossi, and he told Honda to supply Rossi with a factory bike. And he managed to talk Yamaha into sabotaging Spies's season so badly that he would resign prematurely?



Is it so hard to believe that the most successful and bankable rider in the modern history of Motogp is sort after by the manufacturers? Or did the governing body manage to convince not just one, but three corporate giants to pave the way and offer him a ride?



Ezy does not even have 1/10 of the power required to pull this off. And apparently they filmed the moon landing in Hollywood........

Talpa said:

Exactly, and Motogp is in rare territory.



Rossi was interested in Yamaha again, Yamaha was interested in Rossi. What is so hard to believe here? The partnership between Rossi and Yamaha yielded unparalleled success in the modern era, 46 WINS, 4 world titles. There has been no better pairing since Doohan and Honda.



Those here who choose to believe that this signing is only a direct result of corporate influence from Dorna I submitt this......Rossi is the most successful rider of the modern age, Rossi is the trump card in Motogp. Honda, Ducati and Yamaha all offered him a ride for next season-yamaha have failed to secure a title sponsor since Rossi left-so a question, If Ezys comments can be portrayed as confirmation of an inside deal, then it's fair to say that Ezy also persuaded Audi to bend over backwards to retain Rossi, and he told Honda to supply Rossi with a factory bike. And he managed to talk Yamaha into sabotaging Spies's season so badly that he would resign prematurely?



Is it so hard to believe that the most successful and bankable rider in the modern history of Motogp is sort after by the manufacturers? Or did the governing body manage to convince not just one, but three corporate giants to pave the way and offer him a ride?



Ezy does not even have 1/10 of the power required to pull this off. And apparently they filmed the moon landing in Hollywood........

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You only have to look at the sea of yellow in the stands despite Rossi wobbling about like novice to see his marketing power. Theres no one else that can command such coverage as he is the only rider that transcends the sport. Just in terms of merchandising he's worth a fortune. People paid money for all those baseball yellow caps.



It should also be noted that Ezpeleta is actually very vague in his statement, which displays his political astuteness. There could be a thousand reasons for him to make such a statement as his words are very influential and we as fans can never know the true motive. It probably has more to do with the board members or the falling stock of MotoGP than any blatant manufacturing of moves in the rider market. His comments would have had an indirect but very real influence on facets of the running of the sport that people like us will never get to see, let alone understand.

ratdeal said:

You only have to look at the sea of yellow in the stands despite Rossi wobbling about like novice to see his marketing power. Theres no one else that can command such coverage as he is the only rider that transcends the sport. Just in terms of merchandising he's worth a fortune. People paid money for all those baseball yellow caps.



It should also be noted that Ezpeleta is actually very vague in his statement, which displays his political astuteness. There could be a thousand reasons for him to make such a statement as his words are very influential and we as fans can never know the true motive. It probably has more to do with the board members or the falling stock of MotoGP than any blatant manufacturing of moves in the rider market. His comments would have had an indirect but very real influence on facets of the running of the sport that people like us will never get to see, let alone understand.

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Very good post.