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gui22a said:
I can understand your fanboy frustration but I severely doubt Lorenzo will tame the RCV as fast as he did with the Desmo. Actually his success will depend on Honda providing him a much more stable and smoother bike, which, in turn, will need a bigger and taller bike, not the toy the current version is. This would be a radical overturn for Honda, I don't think they will do it anytime soon. This version of RCV I particularly don't believe he can ever like it. I have seen many people talking about corner speed but that isn't the point he needs from this piece of metal (if he learned to ride the Ducati, then he can ride any other bike on the grid in the center of the curve), the bike is over reactive for his style because is short and tiny, and therefore transmits all the motion reaction directly to his body/arms with less filtering than Yamaha or Ducati. That goes in direct encounter with his needs, letting him horribly insecure over the saddle.

Forget any .... about pain, himself told media during weekend that on Sunday his wrist was much better and that he was expecting it to be even better on Tuesday.
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Ahaha yeah right I'm just a fanboy :D

However, I will be quoting some parts of this marvelous post and give you my personal fanboyish view. See my answers in blue below.

"I severely doubt Lorenzo will tame the RCV as fast as he did with the Desmo."

He won his first race after 1 year and a half.

"Actually his success will depend on Honda providing him a much more stable and smoother bike, which, in turn, will need a bigger and taller bike, not the toy the current version is. This would be a radical overturn for Honda, I don't think they will do it anytime soon."

HRC openly stated that due to the great difference between Lorenzo's and Marquez's styles they will develop the 2 bikes with 2 separate projects

He is currently riding "Marquez's" bike to start gaining feelings and understanding how to begin the development of his own, that will be done within the next months by HRC's engineers.


"the bike is over reactive for his style because is short and tiny, and therefore transmits all the motion reaction directly to his body/arms with less filtering than Yamaha or Ducati"

Are you honestly serious?


"Forget any .... about pain, himself told media during weekend that on Sunday his wrist was much better and that he was expecting it to be even better on Tuesday"

He did NOT say that. He said his wrist hurt less riding on sunday due to the day being rainy and then added that he hoped it to be better by Tuesday. You do know that riding on the wet is a lot less physically demanding, do you?
 
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gui22a said:
I can understand your fanboy frustration but I severely doubt Lorenzo will tame the RCV as fast as he did with the Desmo. Actually his success will depend on Honda providing him a much more stable and smoother bike, which, in turn, will need a bigger and taller bike, not the toy the current version is. This would be a radical overturn for Honda, I don't think they will do it anytime soon. This version of RCV I particularly don't believe he can ever like it. I have seen many people talking about corner speed but that isn't the point he needs from this piece of metal (if he learned to ride the Ducati, then he can ride any other bike on the grid in the center of the curve), the bike is over reactive for his style because is short and tiny, and therefore transmits all the motion reaction directly to his body/arms with less filtering than Yamaha or Ducati. That goes in direct encounter with his needs, letting him horribly insecure over the saddle.

Forget any .... about pain, himself told media during weekend that on Sunday his wrist was much better and that he was expecting it to be even better on Tuesday.
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You might wanna stick to soccer. Looking at the RCV thru the lens of the camera. It appears to have a steeper rake in comparison to the other mfg bikes. Being that it is the smallest bike on the grid with a steep rake makes it very agile, "or reactive as you put it". This is what the rider needs to adjust themselves to.
 
Holypuck said:
Ahaha yeah right I'm just a fanboy :D
He did NOT say that. He said his wrist hurt less riding on sunday due to the day being rainy and then added that he hoped it to be better by Tuesday. You do know that riding on the wet is a lot less physically demanding, do you?
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https://www.gpone.com/it/2018/11/18...ducati-lavori-male-ma-so-che-non-accadra.html


"Today (Sunday) I felt better than yesterday and certainly a lot better than Friday, but tomorrow I will feel even better, but I do not think I will be 100%, but I think I can understand some important things on Tuesday."
 
#22 said:
When you present your medical degree your statement might carry some weight. Until then it's pure speculation with absolutely zero support behind it.
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We are talking about a rider who rode near the front of a premier class gp race and finished 4th or 5th 2 days after sustaining a comminuted fracture of his clavicle and having it plated. He fell in the rain and refractured it including bending the plate the next round which quite likely cost him the 2013 title. I wonder why he is skittish in the rain now.

It is fairly typical for riders with significant injuries like recent fractures to be capable of being fast on individual laps and at the start of races and not to be able to sustain their pace for a whole race, from my observations for several decades anyway.
 
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gui22a said:
Click the ....... link, the original is italian, your mother language.
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Copy pasting from the Italian interview from the link: "Ma credo che martedì potrò capire delle cose importanti"

Literal translation: "I think by Tuesday I will be able to understand some important things."


Bro I don't really mean to be rude to you. I just disagree with your statements about him, his wrist and his future bike development.
 
Holypuck said:
Copy pasting from the Italian interview from the link: "Ma credo che martedì potrò capire delle cose importanti"

Literal translation: "I think by Tuesday I will be able to understand some important things."


Bro I don't really mean to be rude to you. I just disagree with your statements about him, his wrist and his future bike development.
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Ok but please do not omit all the words just after that sentence: "Ma credo che martedì potrò capire delle cose importanti, mi sento abbastanza bene"

wich means "I'm feeling very good"
 
gui22a said:
Ok but please do not omit all the words just after that sentence: "Ma credo che martedì potrò capire delle cose importanti, mi sento abbastanza bene"

wich means "I'm feeling very good"
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No. It means "I'm feeling rather well" (abbastanza = quite/rather). However it doesn't mention the wrist at all.

We don't need this language argument, I will just repeat myself and say that it's nonsense IMHO to say that a guy with a wrist that hurts could not put down all the laps that he put down. That is all.
 
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Holypuck said:

Are you honestly serious?
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Yes, very serious. From Honda to Yamaha:

https://www.gpone.com/it/2018/11/20...e-lha-raccontata-rossi-dolce-e-intuitiva.html

"Questa non è molto meno fisica della Honda. Ma tutto quello che succede sulla moto avviene in modo molto più dolce. Le dimensioni delle due moto sono completamente differenti, e la Honda era molto reattiva. Non dico nervosa, anche se spesso in televisione è stata definita così. Preferisco definirla reattiva, perché è la parola giusta. Tutto succede velocemente sulla Honda.
 
gui22a said:
Yes, very serious. From Honda to Yamaha:

https://www.gpone.com/it/2018/11/20...e-lha-raccontata-rossi-dolce-e-intuitiva.html

"Questa non è molto meno fisica della Honda. Ma tutto quello che succede sulla moto avviene in modo molto più dolce. Le dimensioni delle due moto sono completamente differenti, e la Honda era molto reattiva. Non dico nervosa, anche se spesso in televisione è stata definita così. Preferisco definirla reattiva, perché è la parola giusta. Tutto succede velocemente sulla Honda.
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Not a word about the bike transmitting all the motion reaction directly to his body/arms with less filtering than Yamaha or Ducati.

It just says the Honda is more agile
 
Holypuck said:
No. It means "I'm feeling rather well" (abbastanza = quite/rather). However it doesn't mention the wrist at all.

We don't need this language argument, I will just repeat myself and say that it's nonsense IMHO to say that a guy with a wrist that hurts could not put down all the laps that he put down. That is all.
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He rode within 2 seconds of the lead for over 10 laps in an actual race at Assen 2013. It had been considered entirely remarkable when Colin Edwards did it 9 days after a similar injury and surgery.

I would still like to see him faster by the end of the test.
 
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michaelm said:
He rode within 2 seconds of the lead for over 10 laps in an actual race at Assen 2013. It had been considered entirely remarkable when Colin Edwards did it 9 days after a similar injury and surgery.

I would still like to see him faster by the end of the test.
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He is getting used to a completely new bike WHILE recovering from an injury. Getting to know and to set the RCV is way more important than putting down fast laps for him right now.
 
There’s a guy talking during the testing now. His name is Neil something, really knowledgeable guy and he was talking about the difference between chassis and bikes etc but for whatever it’s worth he attributed a lot Ducati’s new ability to turn to Jorge, for whatever it’s worth.

Edit to add: his name is Neil Spalding and his book can be bought here
https://motogptechnology.com
 
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Holypuck said:
He is getting used to a completely new bike WHILE recovering from an injury. Getting to know and to set the RCV is way more important than putting down fast laps for him right now.
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Sure, no doubt. I am just nostalgic for when my previous favourite rider got on the Honda the first time, and also recall Rossi’s times in his initial encounter with the Ducati being attributed at least partly to lingering effects of his lower leg fracture.

(EDIT Not much more than half a second off MM on the 4:00 pm times. I am now happy).
 
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Viñales and Rossi May have some serious competition for top Yamaha in Morbidelli. He’s really quick on this years bike(quick straight out of the box and in front of Viñales and Rossi right now) with the ‘....’ engine and soon enough he will have the new bike with the new engine which *should* be better.
 
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p4p1 said:
There’s a guy talking during the testing now. His name is Neil something, really knowledgeable guy and he was talking about the difference between chassis and bikes etc but for whatever it’s worth he attributed a lot Ducati’s new ability to turn to Jorge, for whatever it’s worth.

Edit to add: his name is Neil Spalding and his book can be bought here
https://motogptechnology.com
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Yep, I did hear what Neil Spalding had to say within the last 2 hours of the test. He did mention that HRC will be doing 2 developing path in 2019 in reference to Lorenzo & Marquez.
 

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