USA Today Nicky Hayden Article

Listen, I'm not denying that Hayden holds the title. He does. When you look up the "2006 MotoGP Champion" in 20 years it will still say that.

I honestly don't like how he was awarded the title. That's just me. I don't think coasting into title is befitting a champion of any sport, that's just how I feel. It doesn't change anything and never will. I'm a nobody to anyone and what I say doesn't make a hill of beans. I am honest about though.
Name another time in motorsport history that a rider/driver with a 12% win ratio in a season over the 2nd place finisher who had more than double the wins and won a title ..... IF you do find one and I bet no one remembers them.

I love these conversations because we are all so passionate about them.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Mar 8 2007, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I honestly don't like how he was awarded the title. That's just me. I don't think coasting into title is befitting a champion of any sport, that's just how I feel. It doesn't change anything and never will. I'm a nobody to anyone and what I say doesn't make a hill of beans. I am honest about though.

I agree this is fun. Its just this constant idea that Hayden "coasted" to the title is so misguided. In a 17 race champonship he scored more points than anyone in what has been one of the most open and hard fought championships in the history of the sport. You cannot "coast" to that. On top of that, he also beet Rossi (arguably the best rider of all time). Like i said earlier, the thing that seperated Haydens efforts from all the losers is that when he wasnt battling for the lead in the top 4 he stayed fast and strong. At times when other riders couldnt find setups, pushed too hard, or fell off and hurt themselfes, Hayden kept his head together and took in all the pressure of overturing the long reigning king. There was no coasting involved

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 8 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree this is fun. Its just this constant idea that Hayden "coasted" to the title is so misguided. In a 17 race champonship he scored more points than anyone in what has been one of the most open and hard fought championships in the history of the sport. You cannot "coast" to that. On top of that, he also beet Rossi (arguably the best rider of all time). Like i said earlier, the thing that seperated Haydens efforts from all the losers is that when he wasnt battling for the lead in the top 4 he stayed fast and strong. At times when other riders couldnt find setups, pushed too hard, or fell off and hurt themselfes, Hayden kept his head together and took in all the pressure of overturing the long reigning king. There was no coasting involved
What race did I miss that Nicky actually BEAT Vale in 2006? Yes, he got the title but in a head to head race where they were running 1 - 2 Nicky has never beat Vale.

In 2005 Nicky did "beat" Rossi one time at the USGP, I'm gonna say that was the best race he's likely to ever have or will run.

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I don't have the energy to reason with such lame opinions as ssiperko and pete put down on this thread. Same old ........, different thread. No need to refute what they said because they sound as ........ as their reasoning.


2006
Hayden

Rossie

Get over it already.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Mar 8 2007, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why does this always come up?
because thier are always fanatics in every religion. i can see ss holdin a copy of rossi's autobiography, thumping it in his hand, & pointin his finger sayin how dare u or anyone else compare any rider to god rossi!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 8 2007, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i can see ss holdin a copy of rossi's autobiography, thumping it in his hand, & pointin his finger sayin how dare u or anyone else compare any rider to god rossi!
What the hell!?! Dude you freaking made me crap my pants with that visual. Do you remember the Heaven Gate cult? That one guy talking into the camera and then they found all those people dead with the Nikes on in their beds? Sspricko sounds like that guy.


Is there a scary guy character I can put up other than this guy?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 8 2007, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't have the energy to reason with such lame opinions as ssiperko and pete put down on this thread. Same old ........, different thread. No need to refute what they said because they sound as ........ as their reasoning.
2006
Hayden

Rossie

Get over it already.
I love when "you guys" act as if I (we) just ..... yer sisters with yer angry replies.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 8 2007, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> because thier are always fanatics in every religion. i can see ss holdin a copy of rossi's autobiography, thumping it in his hand, & pointin his finger sayin how dare u or anyone else compare any rider to god rossi!
The ONLY thing that Nicky and Vale have in common to compare is they both have a title (multiple for Vale) while on a Honda. What they don't have in common is winning races.

Nicky will be lucky to match the # of race wins in his entire career that Vale had in just one season ... pick one .... 2002 or 2005. So really thar is no comparison between Rossi and anyone else but Ago.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 8 2007, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is there a scary guy character I can put up other than this guy?
Sure. A picture of yerself.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Mar 8 2007, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>angry replies.
Don't pat yourself on your back so much. Your reasonings where not that "clever" nor "original." You are super late on the Rossi is my Master threads. Its been covered. Don't take it to heart so much, I'm not saying "you" are crazy, I'm just saying what you "write" is crazy. And the little voice in my head that I hear when reading what you write is creeping me out. Now be a nice monk and go back to the tabernacle.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 8 2007, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't pat yourself on your back so much. Your reasonings where not that "clever" nor "original." You are super late on the Rossi is my Master threads. Its been covered. Don't take it to heart so much, I'm not saying "you" are crazy, I'm just saying what you "write" is crazy. And the little voice in my head that I hear when reading what you write is creeping me out. Now be a nice monk and go back to the tabernacle.
And with that you may want to call a carpenter ..... you just a broke a window in yer own house.

I'm not flexable enough to pat myself on the back. You speak as though I have not acknowledged Nicky as the MotoGP title holder or that somehow I (we) might actually pocess some kind of record book changing power that could strip him of it. UNTIL Nicky proves his worth to the likes of people like me (us) this debate will never end. That's the beauty as far as I can see. Yer right, he was awarded the title, and I'm right, the best rider did'nt win it.

I'm not taking "it" to heart .... I just take issue with a "......" remark.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 8 2007, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It says since rossi, Biaggi was a rookie in 98.
Thanks Tom.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Mar 8 2007, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well i went a bit further back...
Thanks google...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Mar 8 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I enjoy being ridiculous, it makes these conversation entertaining.

Jeff Ward was probably the most fit racer in the IRL when he raced and look how many titles he won, and I'm a hugh gfan of Wardy. If we were talking about MX then it's a hugh factor but not nearly as much on road bike.
Now don't go saying I said it doesn't matter because it does but do you really think Nicky's superior conditioning (if it is indeed superior) has any bearing on him winning 3 races in the past 4 years?

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Watch the post race interview of the '06 USGP. The first thing Hayden says is how it finally paid off for all those mornings he had to get up with the sun and train. Sure, physical fitness doesn't play as big of a part in motorsports as it may in a team sport. But it certainly has its advantages.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Mar 9 2007, 04:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And with that you may want to call a carpenter ..... you just a broke a window in yer own house.

I'm not flexable enough to pat myself on the back. You speak as though I have not acknowledged Nicky as the MotoGP title holder or that somehow I (we) might actually pocess some kind of record book changing power that could strip him of it. UNTIL Nicky proves his worth to the likes of people like me (us) this debate will never end. That's the beauty as far as I can see. Yer right, he was awarded the title, and I'm right, the best rider did'nt win it.

I'm not taking "it" to heart .... I just take issue with a "......" remark.

SS
As a Hayden fan this is what drives me crazy and leads me to defend him. The Rossi fans babbling on about how they accept Hayden as the World Champion, no problem etc. But until Hayden proves his worth, he's still inferior. Wasn't the World Championship enough?

I guess I'm not trying to sway anyone's opinion here but it's frustrating. Rossi is a legend, no doubt. Hayden beat Rossi in 2006 fair and square. Give the man credit where credit is due, regardless of where your allegiances lie. Pure raw talent, no one beats Valentino Rossi. That's why I believe it's something special to beat him to a World Championship. But that's just me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Mar 9 2007, 04:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>UNTIL Nicky proves his worth to the likes of people like me (us) this debate will never end. That's the beauty as far as I can see. Yer right, he was awarded the title, and I'm right, the best rider did'nt win it.

If a rider can win a motogp world championship and you still question his worth it leads me to question how much you actually know/care about motorbike racing. If hayden has not proven his worth then by definition every other rider on the motogp grid is also not worthy and you should be watching superbikes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Mar 9 2007, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As a Hayden fan this is what drives me crazy and leads me to defend him. The Rossi fans babbling on about how they accept Hayden as the World Champion, no problem etc. But until Hayden proves his worth, he's still inferior. Wasn't the World Championship enough?

I guess I'm not trying to sway anyone's opinion here but it's frustrating. Rossi is a legend, no doubt. Hayden beat Rossi in 2006 fair and square. Give the man credit where credit is due, regardless of where your allegiances lie. Pure raw talent, no one beats Valentino Rossi. That's why I believe it's something special to beat him to a World Championship. But that's just me.You're a Nicky fan, that's why people like me drive you crazy. I appreciate and applaud you for it.
As far as Nicky proving himself because he was awarded a championship ..... it was NOT enough. Why? Because he NEVER beat the previous champion. To be the man you must beat the man which as of this writing has never happened. Yes, he scored more points but that's not beating someone that's surviving a battle with less wounds.

I too am not trying to sway anyone but it seems that everyone wants to look past facts to see what they want. I'll say this right now ..... IF the tables are turned this year and Vale becomes the champ this year like Nicky did last year it'll be just as wrong although Rossi would still be a winner because he has and Nicky would've become one.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 9 2007, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If hayden has not proven his worth then by definition every other rider on the motogp grid is also not worthy and you should be watching superbikes.How do figure? Every other rider on the grid does'nt have MOTOGP WORLD CHAMPION as a title so they obviously aren't worthy. Just tell me that you believe a world championship will ever be decided like that again. What if the World Series was played and team A lost to team B but team A was handed the trophy because they scored more runs the entire season? I know that's apples and oranges but think about it for a second.
If anyone thinks that it dosn't matter then just why is there so much discussion about it?
It's NOT about the players as much as it's about the game.

SS

Nicky hayden out performed all the best riders in the world to become the champoion and at the end of it all you say he is not worthy, all the guys hes beaten must be worht .... to you. And also, it is not that uncommon for the rider with the most race wins to loose the title.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 9 2007, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And also, it is not that uncommon for the rider with the most race wins to loose the title.
Show me?

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Mar 9 2007, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How do figure? Every other rider on the grid does'nt have MOTOGP WORLD CHAMPION as a title so they obviously aren't worthy. Just tell me that you believe a world championship will ever be decided like that again. What if the World Series was played and team A lost to team B but team A was handed the trophy because they scored more runs the entire season? I know that's apples and oranges but think about it for a second.
If anyone thinks that it dosn't matter then just why is there so much discussion about it?
It's NOT about the players as much as it's about the game.

SS
I suppose you would like to rewrite the rules of MotoGP racing because it just kills you that your boy didn't win.

Hey, why don't you call Wayne Rainey and tell him he needs to give Kevin Schwantz one of his titles based on your reasoning. I wonder if your new found lover Pete would agree with you on this one...


Newsflash: Baseball=/=MotoGp

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Mar 9 2007, 08:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Name another time in motorsport history that a rider/driver with a 12% win ratio in a season over the 2nd place finisher who had more than double the wins and won a title ..... IF you do find one and I bet no one remembers them.
That's easy. 1999 125cc World Champion, Emilio Alzamora. He beat Marco 'random numbers' Melandri to the title, despite not winning a single race. Melandri won five races. Alzamora was a good rider, and a deserving champion.

I remember him, and I'm sure that Teo does too, along with x million other Spanish GP fans. Melandri fans probably remember it too, though not as fondly, I imagine.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Mar 10 2007, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Show me?

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Two words: Kevin Schwantz
Two more words: Mick Doohan

man.....some of you need to go burn a spliff.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Mar 10 2007, 03:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>man.....some of you need to go burn a spliff.
Heh, too much mully and then I'll be relying on Google, instead of my memory...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 9 2007, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I suppose you would like to rewrite the rules of MotoGP racing because it just kills you that your boy didn't win.

Hey, why don't you call Wayne Rainey and tell him he needs to give Kevin Schwantz one of his titles based on your reasoning. I wonder if your new found lover Pete would agree with you on this one...
Newsflash: Baseball=/=MotoGpThey were both winners.

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