tyrev change

raven46 · Jul 31, 2007

why cant rossi change to bridgestone for the remainder of the season

if its a matter of a contract i think he should break it

they hav'nt delivered and it looks like it gonna be bridgestones season

Marijke · Jul 31, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(raven46 @ Jul 31 2007, 10:25 AM) [snapback]82274[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
why cant rossi change to bridgestone for the remainder of the season

if its a matter of a contract i think he should break it

they hav'nt delivered and it looks like it gonna be bridgestones season

I'm sure it's not that easy as you make it sound. everyone would swap to the best tyre if they had the change. last couple of seasons the michelins were better than bstone, so why didn't anyone else changed to michelins when the bstones were crap? it's a choice the teams make, michelin or bstone (or dunlop) and they have a contract to prefend the teams to swap to another tyresupplier just because they aren't the best anymore

breaking the contract with michelin would only cause more trouble than to stick with those tyre. the teams will get sued by michelin for breaking it, and it will cost the team a lot of money

valentinorossi · Jul 31, 2007

also the riders are used to these tyres. changing mid season would not give the teams or riders enough time to adapt the bike and their style to the new tyres. they would have about 1 day to get used to it whereas at the end of the year they have most of the winter.

kieran · Jul 31, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Valentino Is God @ Jul 31 2007, 11:50 PM) [snapback]82302[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
also the riders are used to these tyres. changing mid season would not give the teams or riders enough time to adapt the bike and their style to the new tyres. they would have about 1 day to get used to it whereas at the end of the year they have most of the winter.

Bayliss could change tyres and win!

valentinorossi · Jul 31, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Jul 31 2007, 03:01 PM) [snapback]82305[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Bayliss could change tyres and win!

Capirossi let him and Hayden could have beaten him had 3rd not been enough.

vale4607 · Jul 31, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Valentino Is God @ Aug 1 2007, 12:14 AM) [snapback]82308[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Capirossi let him and Hayden could have beaten him had 3rd not been enough.

good one!

xx CURVE xx · Jul 31, 2007

WTFs a " tyrev"

raven46 · Jul 31, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Jul 31 2007, 05:45 PM) [snapback]82330[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
WTFs a " tyrev"

its me typing tyre and hitting v by mistake

DAH!!!!!!!!!

crvlvr · Jul 31, 2007

In the future, teams may be smart to not sign exclusive deals with tire companies. Especially, if they have to pay a million bucks for tires. Ofcourse, the hope is that the tire company will work with the rider to provide the best tire for a given race. Now there is a "tire war" teams should just sit back and pick the best tires from any manufacturer for a given track.

an4rew · Jul 31, 2007

It might be silly to leave Milchelin... ok they are bad right now but they have much more money and development options than Bridgestone.

They make generally softer tyres and this is their problem right now on the new 800cc's.

Bridgestone have still not won a championship just yet whereas look how many times in a Row Michelin rider has taken the title.

Corr · Jul 31, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(crvlvr @ Aug 1 2007, 03:30 AM) [snapback]82354[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
In the future, teams may be smart to not sign exclusive deals with tire companies. Especially, if they have to pay a million bucks for tires. Ofcourse, the hope is that the tire company will work with the rider to provide the best tire for a given race. Now there is a "tire war" teams should just sit back and pick the best tires from any manufacturer for a given track.

IMO this is not quite true. (Although, in a perfect world your idea has merits)
If you don't have a contract, you may not be able to get tyres.
You can't just arrive at a track and get 17 sets of tyres from a supplier. I can't see the suppliers doing it. The logistics of it is just ludicrous.
Plus different brand tyres 'feel & perform' different and setting the bike up to suit the rider and bike is long and arduous (not enough time is allocated during free practise to do this).

Gee, I would love to have 17 sets of tyres for a race weekend.

crvlvr · Aug 1, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Jul 31 2007, 01:07 PM) [snapback]82389[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It might be silly to leave Milchelin... ok they are bad right now but they have much more money and development options than Bridgestone.

They make generally softer tyres and this is their problem right now on the new 800cc's.

Bridgestone have still not won a championship just yet whereas look how many times in a Row Michelin rider has taken the title.

I have to disagree with you..

Bridgestone is the world's largest tire company.

Can you validate your second comment? All tire companiues make a variety of soft to hard tires. for the same grip, it appears that Bridgestones tend to last longer than Michelins.

Michelins were a sole suppliers for many years. Hence they have so many championships. When bridgestone started with MotoGP theay had to leard the what compounbds worked worked best with surface of each track. Add to this changes in weather from year to year means that it takes a few years to understand forumalte the right compounds.

Also, let's not underestimate Michelin's advantage of being able to change compounds after the practise and qualyfing. This is akin to seeing the questions of and exam and then going home and preparing the answers. If bridgestone were able to do that, they would probably be ahead of Michelin.

Keep in mind, in formula 1 racing, Bridgestone's success has pretty much kicked Michelin off the field.

Tom · Aug 1, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(crvlvr @ Aug 1 2007, 07:35 PM) [snapback]82630[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

Keep in mind, in formula 1 racing, Bridgestone's success has pretty much kicked Michelin off the field.

I think you'll find that Michelin won the previous 2 world titles, but when the rule makers decided the tyre war wasn't good for the fans Michelin walked. They have a policy not to enter where they cannot compete.

crvlvr · Aug 1, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Corr @ Jul 31 2007, 06:00 PM) [snapback]82443[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
IMO this is not quite true. (Although, in a perfect world your idea has merits)
If you don't have a contract, you may not be able to get tyres.
You can't just arrive at a track and get 17 sets of tyres from a supplier. I can't see the suppliers doing it. The logistics of it is just ludicrous.
Plus different brand tyres 'feel & perform' different and setting the bike up to suit the rider and bike is long and arduous (not enough time is allocated during free practise to do this).

Gee, I would love to have 17 sets of tyres for a race weekend.

Well, then it will be interesting to see how many of the works teas sign contracts with Bridgestone next year..

Tom · Aug 1, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(crvlvr @ Aug 1 2007, 07:44 PM) [snapback]82635[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well, then it will be interesting to see how many of the works teas sign contracts with Bridgestone next year..

Bridgestone said they didn't want to stretch further than ten teams, so for every new team on Stones an existing team will have to lose them.

crvlvr · Aug 1, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 1 2007, 11:40 AM) [snapback]82634[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think you'll find that Michelin won the previous 2 world titles, but when the rule makers decided the tyre war wasn't good for the fans Michelin walked. They have a policy not to enter where they cannot compete.

It was after theUSGP debaucle that Michelin walked away from F1 and Bridgestone became the sole supplier. although there was some talk of F1 moving to single source for 2008, Michelin quit F1 after 2006.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/4629819.stm

After their tires blew up during practice, Michelin actually wanted the FIA to add chicanes to the US race track to slow the race down so that their tires did not blow up.

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Relea.../190605-02.html

Here is Bridgestone's Formula One record:

Bridgestone 1976–2006 Races Started: 173 Races Won:104

povol · Aug 1, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(crvlvr @ Aug 1 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]82640[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Michelin walked after the USGP debaucle. It was after they walked away from F1 that Bridgestone became the sole supplier. there was some talk of F1 moving to single source for 2008. But, Michelin quit F1 after 2006.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/4629819.stm

Michelin wanted the FIA to add chicanes to the US race track to slow the race down so that their tires did not blow up.

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Relea.../190605-02.html

Here is Bridgestone's Formula One record:

Bridgestone 1976–2006 Races Started: 173 Races Won:104

The beginning of the end of Michelin in F! was when Bridgestone figured out what Michelin was doing and ratted their ... out.After getting lapped by Alonso in his first win,Schumacher noticed the tires on Alonzo's car seemed wider.He filed a complaint and sure enough the tread face was to wide.Whats up,the tires measured perfect pre race.Seems those tricky little Frenchmen had found a way to make the tread width wider as the tire wore.It wasnt illegal,the rule said all new tires must measure a certain width.Since it wasnt illegal,F1 simply reworded the rule book and the edge Michelin had engineered in was gone.By the next race they had to come up with a tire that was legal by new rules and they really never recovered.

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