Tyre Choice 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dannozx10r @ Sep 23 2007, 08:48 AM) [snapback]92670[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Can't say that, others think different & many riders also support it so the debate goes on


Different people want different things from motogp, the organizers need to strike a balance in deciding which type of fan to cater for and its a tricky business. But i will say that the riders will be all looking out for themselfes and not for the sport, so i would take what they say with a pinch of salt.

i voted no for a control, this is prototype racing. i agree with whoever said that its not right for riders to pick tyres before they have ridden the circuit. IMO the current tyre rule should stay, but instead of picking them on thursday, riders should be given unlimited tyres for friday then have to choose what compounds etc they wish to use for saturday and sunday. what does everyone else think?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Craig3089 @ Sep 23 2007, 02:02 PM) [snapback]92786[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i voted no for a control, this is prototype racing. i agree with whoever said that its not right for riders to pick tyres before they have ridden the circuit. IMO the current tyre rule should stay, but instead of picking them on thursday, riders should be given unlimited tyres for friday then have to choose what compounds etc they wish to use for saturday and sunday. what does everyone else think?


yeah, thats a good idea actually. i vote that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 23 2007, 08:28 AM) [snapback]92649[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
There is no argument on safetey grounds because the tyre manufacturers have the oppertunity to fall back on a base tyre if the tyres in their allocation are too dangerous, and so far nobody has had to resort to that.


And what makes you think that the "base" tyre (not actually heard of this) will work or be safe. They had never ridden 800s round any of the tracks this year before having to pick tyres. My argument still stands.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Craig3089 @ Sep 23 2007, 02:02 PM) [snapback]92786[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i voted no for a control, this is prototype racing. i agree with whoever said that its not right for riders to pick tyres before they have ridden the circuit. IMO the current tyre rule should stay, but instead of picking them on thursday, riders should be given unlimited tyres for friday then have to choose what compounds etc they wish to use for saturday and sunday. what does everyone else think?


I think that this is an excellent idea, but still want a few more tyres per weekend.

We want to see racing

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Sep 23 2007, 02:36 PM) [snapback]92799[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And what makes you think that the "base" tyre (not actually heard of this) will work or be safe.

Well considering that the quick race tyres with the smaller safetey margins have all been fine, i would trust the engineers confidently to provide a very safe backup tyre. If the tyres still aren't good enough then they will pull out all together like the US F1gp a few years ago.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(muzzy57 @ Sep 23 2007, 08:36 AM) [snapback]92659[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I voted no.
Simply put...

Racing is designed not only to entertain but improve the breeds.

There is already a premier class production based series running a control tyre - World SBK.

MotoGP is prototype racing, requiring various prototype components ie: engines, suspension, chassis, brakes, wheels & TYRES.

Improvements made in prototype racing invariably filter down to production models & we, the motorcycling community, benefit from their ongoing work.

It's up to the teams to work to adapt their machines to their chosen rubber & make the best of whatever tools that they have at their disposal.

End of story.

nicely put muzzy and i agree

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 23 2007, 04:07 PM) [snapback]92811[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well considering that the quick race tyres with the smaller safetey margins have all been fine, i would trust the engineers confidently to provide a very safe backup tyre. If the tyres still aren't good enough then they will pull out all together like the US F1gp a few years ago.


What makes you think that a "quick" tyre is less safe than a "backup" tyre. In my experience a tyre is "safe" when it gives you good feel, or feedback if you prefer. How "quick" a tyre is has a direct relationship to the feeling from the tyre. Hence a "quick" tyre would be a safe tyre.

On that basis how would anyone design a "backup" tyre? As I said in my previous post it's not a concept I've heard mentioned with respect to Motogp before.

I chose a single manfacturing tyre rule for the 08 racing season :-

it would allow for a more fairer race

i didn t pay a 1 year MotoGp subscription fee!! to watch riders spending the entire year complainng about inadequate tyres compared to their more successful competitors.

JB says its not the tyres ?
The riders say it is the tyres?
reports that some bikes are running on last years parts!!
reports that the bikes are controlled by electronics?
reports that teams only focus on 1 rider if he is upfront then there is nothing wrong with the bike if the other rider is 'under performing' and no help or support is offered!!!!

The riders have the same tyre manufacturer suppling them as 06 and the only thing thats changed between the top three 06,07 is the champion,so whats all this tyre fuss and unfairness all about i feel confused and cheated.

I dont wont to watch racing where tyre manufacturer choice dominates excuses but racing between bike and rider compatability and capability the kind of racing i saw watching Schwantz (motogp clip) i was left absolutely amazed how bike and rider worked in unison, how they understood each other, riding on the edge and on the limit because they could,he controlled a beast, his knee bent as if, he had kicked the back wheel out to turn the corners, both putting on a show for biking fans to claim the victory.

I dont want to watch 1 bike and rider surging up front for the majority of the season resulting in predictable racing outcomes.The racing season, already over, before its officially over!!!!!!!

Bikes breaking down resulting in DNF's

Bike and rider underperforming and sliding further down the racing field tyre shred to pieces!!

Bridgestone infiltrated F1, Michelin started to, quote 'produce less competitive tyres' a few loyal teams stayed with Michelin thinking less teams to supply would be an advantage (this wasnt so) but majority switched to Bridgestones. Then Bridgestones supplied all teams. So from this veiw point they have more data to use when manufacturing race tyres.

Is this the way forward for MotoGp? I dont know but something has got to change because bar 1/2 races i didn t enjoy this years racing season.

One thing for sure...MGP owners will be picking the brains of the WSBK organisers.

They are running a spec tire poll on Superbike Planet and it is running 65% no to 35% yes.You Rossi fans dont have 2 different ISP adresses do you.