Tomizawa passes away

The way I see things this is not an argument about whether a red flag would have saved Tomizawa or if the medics getting him to the ambulance fast was the most important thing and therefore no red flag required.



The argument is about the environment of 'NOTHING DISRUPTS TV SCHEDULES' that has been set over the course of the season/seasons by Dorna. I believe that 'clear the track and keep racing' is the primary ideology. When this is the ideology then the medics, marshals and race direction go about there business with a different mindset then if the ideology is 'protect the rider's safety at all costs'.



If the medics have the 'protect the rider at all costs' intent they run out to the track with a different set of equipment (basic life support) then if their charter is to clear the track as quickly as possible then all they carry is a stretcher.



The same applies to Race Direction. I am certain that Butler has been told in no uncertain terms that his job is to first keep racing going so as to not upset TV schedules. If he had been directed to maintain the safety of the riders on track above all other considerations then he would have acted differently.



The other interesting thing to come out of this incident is the almost complete lack of comment by the media associated with MotoGP. Do they not wish to comment incase they are cut off. After all they are granted media passes at the pleasure of Dorna. If the fans have such a strong view of this incident surely the commentators do.



It is always the case in times like this that those that set the environment go unpunished and those that follow orders are scapegoated. Sometimes I have no problem with that because ever human has a requirement to follow their own conscience regardless of the outcome and if they are too gutless to do so then reap the consequences. Therefore Butler to go in my opinion.

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The way I see things this is not an argument about whether a red flag would have saved Tomizawa or if the medics getting him to the ambulance fast was the most important thing and therefore no red flag required.



The argument is about the environment of 'NOTHING DISRUPTS TV SCHEDULES' t...



Therefore Butler to go in my opinion.

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Yes, all good points. That's why I said, the culture of Dorna must change, and change it probably won't.

Mick.. Rossi.. 46 No1... :-) said:

100% agree with you. It should have been flagged, and first treatment recieved where he fell.

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Thats what I think. If the rider is not responsive then a track worker should raise a flag, The race stopped and the rider should not be touched by anyone other than a trained pro.

Toby http://www.autosport.com/features/article.php/id/3031







Remembering Shoya Tomizawa Our resident MotoGP insider Toby Moody shares his all too brief memories of 19-year-old Shoya Tomizawa, who was killed in the Moto2 race at Misano, and reflects on the tragic events of Sunday

I only really got to know Shoya Tomizawa after Jerez, early in the season. I had gone to find his crew chief Gilles Bigot, after oil had spilled onto the track from Shoya's Suter during the Moto2 race, sending nine bikes down the road on the opening lap.



It was one of those sunny post race evenings and everyone was in great spirits after a cracking day's racing. Shoya-san had got on the podium for the second time in two races from the restart, and was leading the championship. Humble and happy to be there as a 19-year-old, the team loved him to bits because they were collectively underdogs. At that point in the season, Technomag CIP's rough diamond had the measure of all but Toni Elias.



Shoya Tomizawa © LAT How could you not be charmed by the wide smile and boundless enthusiasm of Shoya, with his sparkling eyes and his 'big hand' wave that saw his whole arm rush across the TV screen?



Gilles and I got to know each other back in 1997 when he was at Repsol Honda engineering Alex Criville in the 500 class, but this season one sensed that Bigot was back into his winning ways. He loved it too. Indeed, I went to the back of the garage after the first day at Brno to see how things were going. As with all these guys, Gilles was busy with Tomizawa, but upon seeing me, took his glasses off and told me about their day.



I tried to leave as they were going through data, but it struck me then how alike the pair of them were with their endless 'can do' attitude to life. With all of the garages that one can go into on a grand prix weekend, there were none happier than that of Tomizawa and the CIP squad.



Now, they must be beyond devasted.



One is left in utter disbelief at the wretched misfortune Japanese riders have had in MotoGP. Nobuyuki Wakai died after a bizarre accident in the Jerez pit lane in 1993. He collided with someone who did not have the right access pass – the restricted access and 60k/mh limit in pit lane is a result of that.



Daijiro Kato lost his life after crashing at Suzuka in 2003, having made contact with the tyre barrier at 150 k/mh and flung into the air (data from the official report). The result from that accident is that we've never been back to Suzuka and may well never do so. Then in 2007 Norick Abe, three times a 500cc race-winner was killed in a road crash in Japan when a truck did a U-turn in front of his scooter.



Another 'lost star' was Takuma Aoki who crashed testing his works Repsol Honda in early 1998. The bike followed him into the gravel trap and hit him. He survived, but he has been in a wheelchair ever since. This hasn't prevented him developing road cars for Honda and, amazingly, competing in Cross Country rallies such as the Dakar.



Shoya Tomizawa © Sutton The terrible truth of last Sunday's incident is that it was all so public, all caught live on international television feed – this is the terrible price we pay to be so hungry to see everything in life these days. But after all the replays had (misguidedly) been shown on the International TV feed in the immediate aftermath, repeats and online archives were pulled by many TV stations.



In contrast, many people didn't even know about Abe until the riders held an impromptu minute's silence on the MotoGP grid in Australia seven days after his accident.



Much has been said in the heat of the moment about the specifics of the accident, but the protocol for an incident such as Tomizawa's is that the doctor in charge on the scene has to make a decision regarding the gravity of the situation. He was in discussion with Doctor Claudio Macchiagodena – the MotoGP Championship's doctor based in Race Control – and concluded that there was nothing that could be done to help Shoya while prone on the track. He had to be transported immediately to the ambulance where there was equipment to help him fight for his life, and then to the medical centre. Once there it was decided that the level of equipment available was still not enough to help the poor kid. He stressed that in a situation like that you are dealing with seconds not minutes.



The race was therefore not red-flagged because the field had already passed the incident and was in the early stages of the next lap. The race was a mile away. By the time the field arrived on the scene next time around, all had been removed.



Throwing a red flag would have not helped Tomizawa but it might have helped De Angelis or Redding should they have been worse off. With the hindsight of three days, and not three seconds, De Angelis and Redding got away without drastic injuries considering the magnitude of the accident.



The throwing of Redding onto the stretcher was certainly not 21st century practice. However, there was no better way to help Tomizawa than get him to a more medically advanced place than the side of a race track, and that's what the safety crews did. And quickly. They saw first hand what was going on and knew they needed help; that their own hands there and then would not do.



Shoya Tomizawa © Sutton I then read that the inevitable investigation by the Italian authorities is going to probe the ins-and-outs of how Tomizawa was stretchered away, through the gravel trap, and what looked like him being dropped onto the gravel. This obviously didn't help matters, but they were running for his life.



The mental attitude of the volunteer marshals running through deep gravel at the time can't have been easy with what they saw close up. It chills me just to even think about it...



A little has also been discussed about what safety could be introduced to assist in these kind of accidents in the future, but looking to save someone from the violence of an accident such as we saw on Sunday at Misano would mean wrapping riders up in a four foot thick bundle of cotton wool. Or new rules to forbid more than one motorcycle to be allowed on to a race track at the same time as another.



Motorcycle racing was dealt a cruel card on Sunday.

Thanks for posting that pidg. Maybe im an old synic but i get the feeling this is a "cover ..." report. Funny how most of the issues we have raised are conviently answered in a way that covers dorna and race control by a jurno we respect. Respect but has a vested interest in the series ! My personal view is this ....... stinks !

Chalk me up as a Dorna hater but I still think what they did was the right thing as far as Tomi is concerned. As far as no red flag being thrown, that's where the ........ starts.

Seems like most pertinent authorities are in agreement with what has happened and how it took place. There is no conspiracy theory, no cover up. It was a sad day for motorcycling that could only have been prevented by staying home on that day.



It's going to be a strange feeling to be at Motorland in a week and a halfs time. It promised to be a crucial race for all categories. I'll be on turn 13 holding up the Nipon flag.

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Thanks for posting that pidg. Maybe im an old synic but i get the feeling this is a "cover ..." report. Funny how most of the issues we have raised are conviently answered in a way that covers dorna and race control by a jurno we respect. Respect but has a vested interest in the series ! My personal view is this ....... stinks !

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I hear you bro. Other than the red flag, which he did address as something that may have helped Redding and DeAngelis in hindsight, what else do you think was miss handled or "stinks"? I think we already mentioned the ...... culture of Dorna inclined for the show to go on, but as far as specific mishandling in this incident, I can't really point beyond the red flag (which doesn't seem to be that significant in terms of the overall outcome of the incident.



It seemed to me a sober and fair assessment by Toby and other reports I've read so far. I'm ok with it, as pretty much nothing would have changed the outcome significantly. I said in another post, the red flag may be getting a bit too much scrutiny but the reality is for Tomizawa, it seems it made no difference.





Here is another remembrance. I like this one because Julian Ryder wrote it before Tomizawa passed away. It was his impression of the kid while alive much before we knew of his tragic date with cruel destiny. I think it really captures what many of us saw in young Shoya. LINK

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Chalk me up as a Dorna hater but I still think what they did was the right thing as far as Tomi is concerned. As far as no red flag being thrown, that's where the ........ starts.

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I hear you bro. Other than the red flag, which he did address as something that may have helped Redding and DeAngelis in hindsight, what else do you think was miss handled or "stinks"? I think we already mentioned the culture of Dorna for the show to go on, but as far as specific mishandling in this incident, I can't really point beyond the red flag (which doesn't seem to be that significant in terms of the overall outcome of the incident.



It seemed to me a sober and fair assessment by Toby and other reports I've read so far. I'm ok with it, as pretty much nothing would have changed the outcome significantly. I said in another post, the red flag may be getting a bit too much scrutiny but the reality is for Tomizawa, it made appears it would have made no difference.

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He starts with the " i knew him , he was a great lad ect" to build your trust in his statement. he could not possibly be bias against Dorna or race direction, even though he earns his daily crust from what they give him. he almost has an answer for ever point we have raised, medical, timing, equipment ect but skates around the point of why the equipment was not portable and carried by the doctors to the rider. That would have been the quickest treatment



He says for example

The race was therefore not red-flagged because the field had already passed the incident and was in the early stages of the next lap. The race was a mile away. By the time the field arrived on the scene next time around, all had been removed.

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Well i raised the point about a moto2 lap here being about 1.40. i think the pole was 1.38. now do the math. riders crash and come to a stand still. Doctors run the 100 yards across kitty litter in the heat dressed in protective gear. how much time ? Then access rider for injures and vitals, how much time ? then put him on stretcher and strap him down, how much time ? Are you telling me that he was assessed properly in this ....... narrow time window ?

The throwing of Redding onto the stretcher was certainly not 21st century practice. However, there was no better way to help Tomizawa than get him to a more medically advanced place than the side of a race track, and that's what the safety crews did. And quickly. They saw first hand what was going on and knew they needed help; that their own hands there and then would not do.

A little has also been discussed about what safety could be introduced to assist in these kind of accidents in the future, but looking to save someone from the violence of an accident such as we saw on Sunday at Misano would mean wrapping riders up in a four foot thick bundle of cotton wool. Or new rules to forbid more than one motorcycle to be allowed on to a race track at the same time as another.

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this sound like its straight out the Dorna official statement book.

As i sad i may be cynical but my instincts tell me this is a directed statement from a jurno dorna know we respect to try to put some credibility back into a sport and its direction that monumentally ...... up . I'll wait for an "independent" enquiry i think.

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He starts with the " i knew him , he was a great lad ect" to build your trust in his statement. he could not possibly be bias against Dorna or race direction, even though he earns his daily crust from what they give him.

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I see what you're saying. And certainly we know journalist deserve cynicism because they many times engage in tabloid sensationalism which brings their integrity into question. Personally, I didn't get that from this report bro, but hey, maybe I'm being naive or as you say you being cynical. Which sucks because if these journos engaged in consistent honest practices, perhaps we could have more faith in them, eh buddy. I don't know Toby personally, and he's actually not one of my favs, but he hasn't struck me as 'one of them'. Just my impression.



Saying he knew Shoya is believable, as its his job to know these riders, especially an up and coming talent like Tomizawa.

he almost has an answer for ever point we have raised, medical, timing, equipment ect but skates around the point of why the equipment was not portable and carried by the doctors to the rider. That would have been the quickest treatment



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Well i raised the point about a moto2 lap here being about 1.40. i think the pole was 1.38. now do the math. riders crash and come to a stand still. Doctors run the 100 yards across kitty litter in the heat dressed in protective gear. how much time ? Then access rider for injures and vitals, how much time ? then put him on stretcher and strap him down, how much time ? Are you telling me that he was assessed properly in this ....... narrow time window ?

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I think that is his job actually, to address all the concerns people have been bringing up, so it makes sense he would have had "an answer for every point raised". Anyway, throwing a red flag would have not made much difference in what you are saying above, as I'm sure assessing him and realizing he wasn't breathing took seconds. The running through the gravel makes no difference as they had to get to him no matter what, not sure what your point is, as this was not wasted time. Driving out the ambulance might have taken longer actually, but not entirely sure. Are you saying this was mishandled, them running out to him? Most every crash I've seen marshals, docs, medics "run" out to the victim, so I don's see what was the problem. I don't think its standard practice to run out with a breathing apparatus on every accident, if ever, perhaps this will become standard now. Which might save lives in the future, but as of now, I've never heard it being standard practice, so I can't see how that would be a mishandling. Honestly bro, even if they would have had the ambulance engine running, and all the life saving apparatuses at hand, and drove out to him as soon as the accident happened, that they would have been able to save his life. Other than the red flag, as we both agree, I can't see anything else that was mishandled or done any different than what I've seen as standard. If anything, I think we agree that perhaps better procedures should have been in place, but this should have been mandated a way before this incident. Perhaps in the future, all corners will have breathing assists devices, maybe all corners will have doctors in all terrain vehicles running and at the ready, and red flags will be immediately thrown as standard. But I'm sure we can appreciate that there is a limit, and no amount of prevention can prevent such freak accidents.



They interview Rossi about the crash, and he said, the problem was that when Shoya crashed, he stayed on the line, and the riders' behind him couldn't avoid him. Bad set of circumstances, sadly.

this sound like its straight out the Dorna official statement book.

As i sad i may be cynical but my instincts tell me this is a directed statement from a jurno dorna know we respect to try to put some credibility back into a sport and its direction that monumentally ...... up . I'll wait for an "independent" enquiry i think.

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Perhaps my friend, as the human propensity to cover one's own ... sometimes has no bounds. But sometimes, they are telling the truth. Direction screwed up by not throwing red flag, but I can't really see how this may have made a significant difference in this particular event (other than what Toby said, and that is to prevent further riders crashing or more time for Redding and DeAngelis to be properly moved). Anyway bro, its a ...... situation.

Good article. Sober sensible reading after some of the blind stuff that gets said on here.

Mental Anarchist said:

The way I see things this is not an argument about whether a red flag would have saved Tomizawa or if the medics getting him to the ambulance fast was the most important thing and therefore no red flag required.



The argument is about the environment of 'NOTHING DISRUPTS TV SCHEDULES' that has been set over the course of the season/seasons by Dorna. I believe that 'clear the track and keep racing' is the primary ideology. When this is the ideology then the medics, marshals and race direction go about there business with a different mindset then if the ideology is 'protect the rider's safety at all costs'.



If the medics have the 'protect the rider at all costs' intent they run out to the track with a different set of equipment (basic life support) then if their charter is to clear the track as quickly as possible then all they carry is a stretcher.



The same applies to Race Direction. I am certain that Butler has been told in no uncertain terms that his job is to first keep racing going so as to not upset TV schedules. If he had been directed to maintain the safety of the riders on track above all other considerations then he would have acted differently.



The other interesting thing to come out of this incident is the almost complete lack of comment by the media associated with MotoGP. Do they not wish to comment incase they are cut off. After all they are granted media passes at the pleasure of Dorna. If the fans have such a strong view of this incident surely the commentators do.



It is always the case in times like this that those that set the environment go unpunished and those that follow orders are scapegoated. Sometimes I have no problem with that because ever human has a requirement to follow their own conscience regardless of the outcome and if they are too gutless to do so then reap the consequences. Therefore Butler to go in my opinion.

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MA I agree that this is the heart of the matter that needs to be addressed. Well said.



Jum and Chops your exchange is reflective of the dichotomy we all are experiencing post incident... I must say I am with Jum and don't see it as anyone "monumentally ...... up", Rog.

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I see what you're saying. And certainly we know journalist deserve cynicism because they many times engage in tabloid sensationalism which brings their integrity into question. Personally, I didn't get that from this report bro, but hey, maybe I'm being naive or as you say you being cynical. Which sucks because if these journos engaged in consistent honest practices, perhaps we could have more faith in them, eh buddy. I don't know Toby personally, and he's actually not one of my favs, but he hasn't struck me as 'one of them'. Just my impression.



Saying he knew Shoya is believable, as its his job to know these riders, especially an up and coming talent like Tomizawa.









I think that is his job actually, to address all the concerns people have been bringing up, so it makes sense he would have had "an answer for every point raised". Anyway, throwing a red flag would have not made much difference in what you are saying above, as I'm sure assessing him and realizing he wasn't breathing took seconds. The running through the gravel makes no difference as they had to get to him no matter what, not sure what your point is, as this was not wasted time. Driving out the ambulance might have taken longer actually, but not entirely sure. Are you saying this was mishandled, them running out to him? Most every crash I've seen marshals, docs, medics "run" out to the victim, so I don's see what was the problem. I don't think its standard practice to run out with a breathing apparatus on every accident, if ever, perhaps this will become standard now. Which might save lives in the future, but as of now, I've never heard it being standard practice, so I can't see how that would be a mishandling. Honestly bro, even if they would have had the ambulance engine running, and all the life saving apparatuses at hand, and drove out to him as soon as the accident happened, that they would have been able to save his life. Other than the red flag, as we both agree, I can't see anything else that was mishandled or done any different than what I've seen as standard. If anything, I think we agree that perhaps better procedures should have been in place, but this should have been mandated a way before this incident. Perhaps in the future, all corners will have breathing assists devices, maybe all corners will have doctors in all terrain vehicles running and at the ready, and red flags will be immediately thrown as standard. But I'm sure we can appreciate that there is a limit, and no amount of prevention can prevent such freak accidents.



They interview Rossi about the crash, and he said, the problem was that when Shoya crashed, he stayed on the line, and the riders' behind him couldn't avoid him. Bad set of circumstances, sadly.









Perhaps my friend, as the human propensity to cover one's own ... sometimes has no bounds. But sometimes, they are telling the truth. Direction screwed up by not throwing red flag, but I can't really see how this may have made a significant difference in this particular event (other than what Toby said, and that is to prevent further riders crashing or more time for Redding and DeAngelis to be properly moved). Anyway bro, its a ...... situation.

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You missed my point. When you are in an accident in the uk whether it be a road accident or heart attack ect the paramedics come to your rescue. These paramedics normally arrive in a car ahead of an ambulance. They normally carry a big green bag containing the tools they need to stabilise the patient. Things like oxygen, de-fib, injections ect. Why didnt the track doctors have this portable equipment ? Saying a red flag would not have helped tomi is not fact. Had the race been stopped and the doctors equipped with this portable equipment who knows ? This would have been the fastest way to treat Tomi, by not stopping the race and taking him to the ambulance cost more time, but it also allowed the ....... race to continue. You say it only takes seconds to ..... tomi, i don't agree i think the doctors were forced to ..... in seconds through lack of portable equipment and the culture of dorna (the show must go on).



You say in an earlier post " get them breathing before you stop them bleeding" I can see the sence in an over simplistic way but it would depend on where and how much bleeding. Why not stop then bleeding while you getting them breathing. Im not a doc or a paramedic but i have completed many first aid courses over the years, in fact as part of a job i had to complete regular course's with the St Johns Ambulance by law. I was told that first aid before the patient is transported to hospital can be the key to life and death. i hate it in movies when you see someone giving mouth to mouth recitation and chest compressions for about 10 seconds then say "he's gone". Nobody can re-start someone breathing by mouth to mouth, you just keep their oxyigen levels up a bit, the chest compressions are just manually pumping the heart trying to keep the body ticking over . In fact the last course i went on said, don't bother to much about the breathing as there is still oxygen in the blood, work on chest compressions to pump that around the body. I think we only breath out less than 14% oxygen so its wasn't considered the most important thing.



Moody is just echoing the so-called safety panels statement. He raises no question's, in fact he dances around them. Maybe portable equipment would not have saved him but at this level of racing i expect to see the equipment there. ironically motogp raise thousands of £$ fro riders for health. This is to buy bikes and equip them with doctors life saving equipment in places like africa. Well maybe they should invest in some portable equipment that every paramedic where i live has.

I think most people here can agree to some extent that TV Scheduling lies at the heart of the problem and that the intent of Dorna, Race Direction, Medics etc all conform to this schedule. A MotoGP race (as well as Moto2 and 125/Moto3) is very convenient in that it only goes for about 50min. This allows the broadcast to be an hour for each race or a 1 hour MotoGP package if that is all that is broadcast.



Now I have no idea how TV Packages are negotiated and sold but Dorna should sell the TV Package as a 1.5 hour package per race and not allow it to be edited. This would allow them to build in time if problems arise such as injured riders, weather or track issues such as blown engines. It would also allow for interviews etc to be aired (in some places they are not) and make the whole package more complete.



I have never heard of Football, Baseball, Basketball, Cricket matches being shortened because of injuries and they certainly don't play 25min each way so the telecast can be 1 hour so I think as far as precedents go MotoGP is probably the only WC Sport that is packaged up as an hour slot.



Sometimes to get the end result, in this case freedom to wave a red flag, you need to go right back and remove the constraint that prevents it.

respect... condolences.....R.I.P.

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I think most people here can agree to some extent that TV Scheduling lies at the heart of the problem and that the intent of Dorna, Race Direction, Medics etc all conform to this schedule. A MotoGP race (as well as Moto2 and 125/Moto3) is very convenient in that it only goes for about 50min. This allows the broadcast to be an hour for each race or a 1 hour MotoGP package if that is all that is broadcast.



Now I have no idea how TV Packages are negotiated and sold but Dorna should sell the TV Package as a 1.5 hour package per race and not allow it to be edited. This would allow them to build in time if problems arise such as injured riders, weather or track issues such as blown engines. It would also allow for interviews etc to be aired (in some places they are not) and make the whole package more complete.



I have never heard of Football, Baseball, Basketball, Cricket matches being shortened because of injuries and they certainly don't play 25min each way so the telecast can be 1 hour so I think as far as precedents go MotoGP is probably the only WC Sport that is packaged up as an hour slot.



Sometimes to get the end result, in this case freedom to wave a red flag, you need to go right back and remove the constraint that prevents it.

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Excellent points, that is why im not all about firing some guy that has been instructed, ordered, strongly suggested to, that the show must go on if at all possible. Like i said before, he has a boss that he takes orders from. There is no doubt that time constraints and contracts play into a decision to red flag a race that is crammed into a 1 hour time slot..When you broadcast around the world, different dynamics arise as far as the popularity of the sport. Over hear, a GP telecast is not going to run over and preempt even a Nascar talk show, thats just the way it is. Now an NFL game or a Nascar race, thats a different story. Their popularity allows them all the delays they want. So who do you blame, the TV station manager, the broadcast company, Butler, Dorna. Yes, its about money in the end, but we know that going in. its life. Other options are timed races, or taped delay telecast like we get. Then you can edit out anything that doesnt fit into the time slot. I am willing to let this play out and see if Dorna learns from this tragedy. I am not expecting huge changes in the red flag procedure, but if they are just a little better prepared, like the portable equipment,it could have some positive meaning.

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You missed my point. When you are in an accident in the uk whether it be a road accident or heart attack ect the paramedics come to your rescue. ...



You say in an earlier post " get them breathing before you stop them bleeding" ...



Moody is just echoing the so-called safety panels statement. He raises no question's, in fact he dances around them. ...

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Fair enough. Various perspectives.



BTW, why do you hate Brad Smith? I like that kid. Gritty & well spoken.

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Why not stop then bleeding while you getting them breathing.

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When the heart is stopped, irrespective of how huge a laceration, bleeding is minimal as there is nothing pumping the blood.



On the breathing with the trauma he most likely had, it would be dificult to assist in breathing track side andvery likely any heart compression impossible.



But there were doctors on site who I guess assessed that ,,,,,, not us.

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I think most people here can agree to some extent that TV Scheduling lies at the heart of the problem and that the intent of Dorna, Race Direction, Medics etc all conform to this schedule. ...

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Yes, and as I said in your other post, this is the most egregious aspect of the whole incident. Something that should not factor into the decision making of a crash is part of the equation. This is what Chops and Arrabbi correctly allude to in their disgust of not throwing the red flag. Its a Dorna culture things, and I hope these guys stop and reflect its wrong. If anything, and I hate to put it in these terms, but perhaps Dorna's business leadership will make some changes by realizing its bad business to risk losing your best talent.