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I just watched it again, it's very clear.


MM and JL saw each other perfectly and both immediately tried to bully each other. MM pretended he was charging blindly into the track, and JL saw him and went a bit wider towards him just to show he wasn't afraid at all. Lorenzo's uncalled for excuse at the end of the race is a clear giveaway... The bump wasn't inevitable, but was the result of their attitudes.
 
chopperman
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Yes, quite possibly. I think i need to watch the race again and take notes lol. It still strikes me very unusual that HRC would of had a 2 lap difference between the 2 riders, especially given the safety issues with the rear tyres. I would have expected a 1 lap difference.


 


Anybody who knew the rules would expect a 1 lap difference because that is what they were told to do.
 
J4rn0
3652421382563454

I just watched it again, it's very clear.


MM and JL saw each other perfectly and both immediately tried to bully each other. MM pretended he was charging blindly into the track, and JL saw him and went a bit wider towards him just to show he wasn't afraid at all. Lorenzo's uncalled for excuse at the end of the race is a clear giveaway... The bump wasn't inevitable, but was the result of their attitudes.


 


Are you seriously suggesting that Lorenzo intentionally deviated from the ideal line towards Marquez in one of the fastest corners on the calendar?  That is an idiotic suggestion, you wouldn't even see that kind of behavior in car racing, let alone on bikes.
 
Tom
3652441382564246

Anybody who knew the rules would expect a 1 lap difference because that is what they were told to do.


This is where the confusion is as far as i can see. There was a 2 lap window to make a pit stop. Depending on whether you thought the window ended at the start of lap 10 or at the end of lap 10 would give the 2 lap gap instead of 1.
 
Tom
3652461382564433

Are you seriously suggesting that Lorenzo intentionally deviated from the ideal line towards Marquez in one of the fastest corners on the calendar?  That is an idiotic suggestion, you wouldn't even see that kind of behavior in car racing, let alone on bikes.


But you didn't question MMs intentions on one of the fastest corners
 
chopperman
3652501382564747

This is where the confusion is as far as i can see. There was a 2 lap window to make a pit stop. Depending on whether you thought the window ended at the start of lap 10 or at the end of lap 10 would give the 2 lap gap instead of 1.


 


I think Honda must have read 'riders cannot complete more than 10 laps on 1 tyre' and decided that means you can do more than 10 laps as long as you don't complete the 11th one.  Apparently the rules handed out actually stated 'riders must pit at the end of lap 9 or lap 10' but Honda missed that bit
 
Tom
3652461382564433

Are you seriously suggesting that Lorenzo intentionally deviated from the ideal line towards Marquez in one of the fastest corners on the calendar?  That is an idiotic suggestion, you wouldn't even see that kind of behavior in car racing, let alone on bikes.


 


Can you read? I never said it was intentional, but the result of their attitudes.
 
<span style="font-size:18px;hallelujah <span style="font-size:10px;http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/a-grand-farce-at-phillip-island/


 


<span style="font-size:24px;A grand farce at Phillip Island



            
Mat Oxley


            

                


Embarrassing. No other word for it, really. Well, apart from

incompetence on the grandest scale. Pretty much everyone involved in the

upper echelons of MotoGP was responsible for Sunday’s travesty of a

race: Bridgestone, Dorna, the FIM, the Grand Prix Permanent Bureau, the

Grand Prix Commission, IRTA, Race Direction, safety officer Franco

Uncini and safety advisor Loris Capirossi. They all failed in their duty

of care to the riders, putting them in all kinds of danger because they

hadn’t done their jobs properly.







We all make mistakes, but this was several dozen well-paid, experienced professionals failing to spot a disaster in the making.



Phillip Island hosted its first Grand Prix in 1989. Ever since it’s

been well known that the track eats tyres for breakfast, lunch and

dinner. Well, it eats the left side of the tyres, which is why

asymmetric tyres were used there before pretty much any other racetrack,

with the exception of Daytona, with its Stateside-style banking, taken

at full speed with huge g-forces going through the tyres.



Anti-clockwise Phillip Island features seven left-handers, but it’s

the last two lefts – Turns 11 and 12 – that really burn rubber. Taken in

third and then fourth gear, the riders are building speed, using high

lean angles and big handful of throttles as they fire out of 11, then

lay it into Turn 12, where they need the fastest exit for the

start/finish straight. The result is massive friction and thus sky-high

tyre temperatures that can lead to delamination or tearing.



Bridgestone aren’t alone in suffering Island ignominy. It happened to

Dunlop in Sunday’s Moto2 race (which was reduced by 50 per cent because

the tyres wouldn’t last any longer) and it’s also happened to Pirelli

in World Superbikes and Supersport.







In the days of tyre wars, the competitive urge made sure that tyre

companies tested at Phillip Island every year, because they knew it was

their biggest challenge, from both performance and safety points of

view. Thus they couldn’t afford to get it wrong.



So why didn’t Bridgestone test at Phillip Island, even though they

knew the track was resurfaced with extra-grippy asphalt last December,

which would create more friction and therefore more heat in the tyres?

Presumably because, like everyone else, they’re trying to save money.

Bridgestone have no one to beat in MotoGP, so inevitably they want to

win the race at the lowest possible cost.



When the tyre war raged – before the global financial meltdown – no

expense was spared. Michelin often made new tyres during race weekends

in Europe. Their on-track engineers would send data to their

Clermont-Ferrand HQ where new compounds were mixed on Saturday evening,

then the tailor-made tyres were loaded into a truck and raced to the

track for Sunday morning. And when it came to the flyway races,

race-by-race development meant that the companies usually flew in their

tyres. Nowadays, tyres are made much earlier and shipped to the circuits

by sea. Sea freight costs up to 10 times less than air freight, so

there’s potential savings of tens or hundreds of thousands of pounds

over a season.



So, it is Bridgestone’s fault, but it is also everyone else’s fault.







Although a MotoGP rule (regulation 1.15.1.3, if you really want to

know) puts the onus on Bridgestone to request testing of a new surface,

all the aforementioned people know that Phillip Island is cruel on

tyres, so why didn’t they demand that Bridgestone test there, or at the

very least take a swatch of the new surface for analysis? Presumably

because they didn’t think about it. So riders were racing around at over

210mph on tyres that were falling apart because no one had bothered to

think things through.



That was a disaster in itself. And then the race with its compulsory

pitstop made things look even more ridiculous. Why not just make it a

10-lap sprint and be done with it? The six-lap dash at Mugello in 2004

(after the race had been stopped due to rain) still ranks as one of the

all-time most entertaining GP races: watching the world’s best riding

every lap like it was the last, instead of pacing themselves and their

tyres, was a fascinating and unique experience.



And then there was Marc Márquez’s punishment for pitting for new

tyres too late. True, he broke the rule and knew the punishment. But

that’s not the point. The rule was made up that morning by people

covering their backsides for a mistake of epic proportions made six

months earlier. So, regardless of the fact that he copped a ridiculous

penalty for breaking a rule in a ridiculous race, he suffered for their

ineptitude. If Márquez loses the title because of the points he lost on

Sunday, MotoGP will have become pure pantomime.



Sunday wasn’t merely a shambolic joke for all involved, it was also a

huge disappointment because Phillip Island should be MotoGP at its most

glorious: it’s a wide open primal scream of a racetrack that has given

us some of the greatest races of recent decades.





Phillip Island, 2011: Marco Simoncelli came second, his best finish, ahead of Dovizioso and Pedrosa



The circuit rates as a favourite with riders because it’s dominated

by high-speed, big-balls sweepers through which riders get to play with

the bike, feel both tyres squirming and use their superior bravery to

make the difference. (And they all think they’re the bravest rider on

the racetrack!)



Ah, bravery. To prove that almighty ....-ups are nothing new in

motorcycle GP racing, I remember the 1989 Belgian GP at

Spa-Francorchamps, in the days of the superheroes: Wayne Rainey, Kevin

Schwantz, Eddie Lawson, Wayne Gardner, Mick Doohan and the rest. Spa was

(and still is) the world’s greatest racetrack but it’s also dangerous.



That event was a farce, just like Phillip Island, with the riders put

in peril by people in power who messed up. Due to typical Spa weather,

the race was stopped twice and then restarted for a third time – against

the rules – by Clerk of the Course Claude Danis, who was later rewarded

for his ignorance with the job of MotoGP safety director.



The third start took place on a soaking track: Rainey, Schwantz and

the rest aquaplaning past the Armco – tyres spinning and engine revs

peaking wildly – as they dived into Eau Rouge each lap. Schwantz led,

then crashed on the final lap. Rainey climbed to the top step of the

podium and smiled, until he was told the final race shouldn’t have

happened and therefore hadn’t happened. The results were rewritten and

taken from the combined time of the first two starts, so Lawson was

declared the winner, ahead of Schwantz and Rainey.





Wayne Rainey in 1989. Photo by Gary Watson



Rainey was understandably very angry. He and his rivals had used all

their bravery to risk their lives in the pissing rain at one of the

world’s most dangerous racetracks for absolutely nothing. A complete

disgrace. I could go on with other famous Grand Prix grand farces, but I

don’t think you’ve got the time…


 


 


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J4rn0
3652581382566758

Can you read? I never said it was intentional, but the result of their attitudes.


 


You said Lorenzo had a motive, this is not something you have when you do something by accident!  Your words '<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;JL saw him and went a bit wider towards him just to show he wasn't afraid at all.'  
 
J4rn0
3652581382566758

Can you read? I never said it was intentional, but the result of their attitudes.


You are normally a very smart guy and I agree with much of what you have to say....but your last two posts are beyond idiotic.


 


MM did not look when entering the racing line on-track - he glanced over his shoulder while still in pit lane well and truly before the incident occured. He would have to be psychic to know where JLo was on the track....check the vision again. It is clear - just not to you for some reason.
 
Pigeon
3652591382566886

<span style="font-size:18px;hallelujah <span style="font-size:10px;http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/a-grand-farce-at-phillip-island/


 


<span style="font-size:24px;A grand farce at Phillip Island



            
Mat Oxley


            

                


Embarrassing. No other word for it, really. Well, apart from

incompetence on the grandest scale. Pretty much everyone involved in the

upper echelons of MotoGP was responsible for Sunday’s travesty of a

race: Bridgestone, Dorna, the FIM, the Grand Prix Permanent Bureau, the

Grand Prix Commission, IRTA, Race Direction, safety officer Franco

Uncini and safety advisor Loris Capirossi. They all failed in their duty

of care to the riders, putting them in all kinds of danger because they

hadn’t done their jobs properly.







We all make mistakes, but this was several dozen well-paid, experienced professionals failing to spot a disaster in the making.



Phillip Island hosted its first Grand Prix in 1989. Ever since it’s

been well known that the track eats tyres for breakfast, lunch and

dinner. Well, it eats the left side of the tyres, which is why

asymmetric tyres were used there before pretty much any other racetrack,

with the exception of Daytona, with its Stateside-style banking, taken

at full speed with huge g-forces going through the tyres.



Anti-clockwise Phillip Island features seven left-handers, but it’s

the last two lefts – Turns 11 and 12 – that really burn rubber. Taken in

third and then fourth gear, the riders are building speed, using high

lean angles and big handful of throttles as they fire out of 11, then

lay it into Turn 12, where they need the fastest exit for the

start/finish straight. The result is massive friction and thus sky-high

tyre temperatures that can lead to delamination or tearing.



Bridgestone aren’t alone in suffering Island ignominy. It happened to

Dunlop in Sunday’s Moto2 race (which was reduced by 50 per cent because

the tyres wouldn’t last any longer) and it’s also happened to Pirelli

in World Superbikes and Supersport.







In the days of tyre wars, the competitive urge made sure that tyre

companies tested at Phillip Island every year, because they knew it was

their biggest challenge, from both performance and safety points of

view. Thus they couldn’t afford to get it wrong.



So why didn’t Bridgestone test at Phillip Island, even though they

knew the track was resurfaced with extra-grippy asphalt last December,

which would create more friction and therefore more heat in the tyres?

Presumably because, like everyone else, they’re trying to save money.

Bridgestone have no one to beat in MotoGP, so inevitably they want to

win the race at the lowest possible cost.



When the tyre war raged – before the global financial meltdown – no

expense was spared. Michelin often made new tyres during race weekends

in Europe. Their on-track engineers would send data to their

Clermont-Ferrand HQ where new compounds were mixed on Saturday evening,

then the tailor-made tyres were loaded into a truck and raced to the

track for Sunday morning. And when it came to the flyway races,

race-by-race development meant that the companies usually flew in their

tyres. Nowadays, tyres are made much earlier and shipped to the circuits

by sea. Sea freight costs up to 10 times less than air freight, so

there’s potential savings of tens or hundreds of thousands of pounds

over a season.



So, it is Bridgestone’s fault, but it is also everyone else’s fault.







Although a MotoGP rule (regulation 1.15.1.3, if you really want to

know) puts the onus on Bridgestone to request testing of a new surface,

all the aforementioned people know that Phillip Island is cruel on

tyres, so why didn’t they demand that Bridgestone test there, or at the

very least take a swatch of the new surface for analysis? Presumably

because they didn’t think about it. So riders were racing around at over

210mph on tyres that were falling apart because no one had bothered to

think things through.



That was a disaster in itself. And then the race with its compulsory

pitstop made things look even more ridiculous. Why not just make it a

10-lap sprint and be done with it? The six-lap dash at Mugello in 2004

(after the race had been stopped due to rain) still ranks as one of the

all-time most entertaining GP races: watching the world’s best riding

every lap like it was the last, instead of pacing themselves and their

tyres, was a fascinating and unique experience.



And then there was Marc Márquez’s punishment for pitting for new

tyres too late. True, he broke the rule and knew the punishment. But

that’s not the point. The rule was made up that morning by people

covering their backsides for a mistake of epic proportions made six

months earlier. So, regardless of the fact that he copped a ridiculous

penalty for breaking a rule in a ridiculous race, he suffered for their

ineptitude. If Márquez loses the title because of the points he lost on

Sunday, MotoGP will have become pure pantomime.



Sunday wasn’t merely a shambolic joke for all involved, it was also a

huge disappointment because Phillip Island should be MotoGP at its most

glorious: it’s a wide open primal scream of a racetrack that has given

us some of the greatest races of recent decades.





Phillip Island, 2011: Marco Simoncelli came second, his best finish, ahead of Dovizioso and Pedrosa



The circuit rates as a favourite with riders because it’s dominated

by high-speed, big-balls sweepers through which riders get to play with

the bike, feel both tyres squirming and use their superior bravery to

make the difference. (And they all think they’re the bravest rider on

the racetrack!)



Ah, bravery. To prove that almighty ....-ups are nothing new in

motorcycle GP racing, I remember the 1989 Belgian GP at

Spa-Francorchamps, in the days of the superheroes: Wayne Rainey, Kevin

Schwantz, Eddie Lawson, Wayne Gardner, Mick Doohan and the rest. Spa was

(and still is) the world’s greatest racetrack but it’s also dangerous.



That event was a farce, just like Phillip Island, with the riders put

in peril by people in power who messed up. Due to typical Spa weather,

the race was stopped twice and then restarted for a third time – against

the rules – by Clerk of the Course Claude Danis, who was later rewarded

for his ignorance with the job of MotoGP safety director.



The third start took place on a soaking track: Rainey, Schwantz and

the rest aquaplaning past the Armco – tyres spinning and engine revs

peaking wildly – as they dived into Eau Rouge each lap. Schwantz led,

then crashed on the final lap. Rainey climbed to the top step of the

podium and smiled, until he was told the final race shouldn’t have

happened and therefore hadn’t happened. The results were rewritten and

taken from the combined time of the first two starts, so Lawson was

declared the winner, ahead of Schwantz and Rainey.





Wayne Rainey in 1989. Photo by Gary Watson



Rainey was understandably very angry. He and his rivals had used all

their bravery to risk their lives in the pissing rain at one of the

world’s most dangerous racetracks for absolutely nothing. A complete

disgrace. I could go on with other famous Grand Prix grand farces, but I

don’t think you’ve got the time…


 


 


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What a great article. Thanks for sharing Pidge.
 
chopperman
3652651382568540

What a great article. Thanks for sharing Pidge.


thinking about it where was all the motogp staff we dont see that run the weekend / Uncini / Capirex representing the riders etc


it was safe to race for 8/9/10/11 laps ..... then do it again to get 19 laps what a farce


TV RATING / MOTOGP SPONSORS WON THAT WEEKEND.


uncini / capirex all took a back seat even if they protested. non jobs


Riders put at risk simple. imo
 
Tom
3652131382557217

I'm not sure if anyone has already pointed this out, but a friend said to me at work this week regarding the Marquez pitstop blunder...


 


If the Honda team understood the rules in a way that made Marquez's pit stop legal in their eyes, they must also have been convinced that Pedrosa's chosen pit stop lap was illegal and would result in a black flag for Dani.


 


<u>Are we supposed to believe that the Marquez side of the garage made their strategy without anyone bothering to check that Dani wasn't pitting on the same lap?</u>


 


Read below, please.  Krop argues - reasonably convincingly this time around - that the two halves of HRC have little to do with one another.


 


http://motomatters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2544
 
Tom
3652461382564433

Are you seriously suggesting that Lorenzo intentionally deviated from the ideal line towards Marquez in one of the fastest corners on the calendar?  That is an idiotic suggestion, you wouldn't even see that kind of behavior in car racing, let alone on bikes.


 


Thats what it was ....... how can you folk be so blind ......... at that level I'd say Lorenzo is a "canny" bugger ......... all sorts of stuff are tried in racing. You have to remember again that the riders perspective is much slower than the spectators. Where you see 350km/hr they are actually only experiencing a speed differential in that case of maybe 20kph at point of Lorenzo "shoulder barge"?


 


Lorenzo went way off line ....... accept it.
 
Jumkie
3651961382553046

What I mean is, he gained the "lead" illegally by virtue of flagrantly disregarding a rule.  Once you gain an advantage by violating a rule (regardless if the marshals have signaled you are not) that advantage is considered null and void.  See the part I highlighted above where you say "he [Marc] was only in front of Lorenzo while", well this is what people are saying constitutes "a lead".    Not sure if you had read, but Kropo made the case (which others have latched onto) that Marc had the lead and so Lorenzo was supposed to yield to Marc.  Crazy, I know.  (I'm laughing even thinking about this audacious attempt to spin).  Anyway, they are saying that when Marc left the pit lane he was "ahead" of Lorenzo (in space) and therefore was in "the lead".  Even though that "lead" wasn't anywhere near the raceline (see Marc at the moment he clears the 'white line' from the pit exit).  Of course Lorenzo was coming off 150mph while Marc was still accelerating to get near race pace).  


 


Regardless if he had been signaled to DQ, he had already violated the rule.  That is, he gained the "lead" by illegal means.  There was a reasonable expectation he should have known, but that is actually irrelevant, as knowing you have committed a crime/infraction is not a defense.  ('Officer, I didn't know I had did anything wrong.  Well, kid, here is the paper that told you the rules, you should have known...because its your job to know.'  Sidenote, if you been reading this thread, you will see some people using this as an excuse, that he didn't know, as if this is reasonable and even relevant).


Agree that much as I think David is  the best motogp journalist, arguing that MM was in front is a rationalisation. His article about the tensions/divisions within the HRC team is quite cogent though, and probably explains the 1 lap late thing, which it would seem was a deliberate strategy/tactic cooked up between MM and those closest to him in his crew, and hence quite possibly of similar authorship to the Willairot thing, although I am referring to the DQ and not the contact with JL, which had multiple authors imo.  


 


See the Matt Oxley artcicle which someone posted, Pigeon I think, which accords with my notions of the multilateral ....-up which was the PI race, and imo there were multiple factors involved in the MM/JL incident as a sub-set/one facet of that.


 


I don't think the MM thing occurred in isolation/independent of the race organisation (it is stretching things to call it race direction). As I said yesterday, if safety was the concern they could have had one shortened race, 2 separate shortened races, or the near equivalent of the latter, all riders changing bikes at once with no overtaking in the pits. They didn't elect to do any of these things, and I even wonder if Ezy saw this as an opportunity, since iirc he has talked about F1  pit-stops to enliven proceeedings in the past, ridiculous and contrived though that would be for what has always been a sprint-race competition. If so the PI race may have done the sport a favour by demonstrating this won't work in GP bike racing, fortunately without any damage to any rider.


 


They elected to have the format they did imo specifically to have the  pit-stop as part of the racing as in F1, and having done this no-one should be surprised that the riders remaining in contention for the world championship tried to race. I believe both JL and MM were racing when the contact occurred, with JL pushing more or taking a line he wouldn't normally take to stay in front of MM as much as MM was trying to get out of the pits in front of him, which JL more or less admitted post-race. The fact that MM had already DQed himself is irrelevant in a way, since I presume neither  knew he had been DQed, and certainly neither had been notified of this, which again is down to race "direction", and the incident could just as easily have occurred if each rider had come in completely legally a lap earlier.


 


 KiddyK's slightly different slant ie that there was nothing wrong with MM's track re-entry but that he then dangerously and carelessly cut across on to the racing line I find harder to dispute. I am not sure though whether he would have been penalised under the F1 paradigm under which (stupidly imo) everyone including the riders seemed to be operating, or whether JL would have been regarded as having contributed by changing his line. The other thing is that the design of the race and change to the pit exit point led to the riders being fed onto this particularly fast section of the track on cold tyres and liable to mistakes whether or not immediately in traffic.
 
Cos MM really needed to pull a move in the pits ( or involving the pit change ) to best Lorenzo ........... :rolleyes:


 


 


You guys are nuts.
 
BarryMachine
3652821382576095

Thats what it was ....... how can you folk be so blind ......... at that level I'd say Lorenzo is a "canny" bugger ......... all sorts of stuff are tried in racing. You have to remember again that the riders perspective is much slower than the spectators. Where you see 350km/hr they are actually only experiencing a speed differential in that case of maybe 20kph at point of Lorenzo "shoulder barge"?


 


Lorenzo went way off line ....... accept it.


 


This here like J4rno's suggestion is equally unbelievable and unreasonable.  (Kesh, you agreeing with this ....).  These are motorcycles, not Narcar--where they try and make macho statements by bumping with their rolling cages.  Lorenzo is far too aware of his mortality (unlike Marc) to pull some ........ like run 'slightly' wide to collide 'ever so gently' with his rival.  "way off line"? Are you kidding? I've come to expect head-scratching stuff from you BM, you've made a forum career of it.  You've  had your decent takes (honestly), but in your attempt to be witty, you post some real odd stuff.  Lorenzo was within the "raceline"! No doubt about it.  As proof, take a look at his exit.  If he would have mucked up that turn as you boys suggest, and on purpose no less, that whole turn would have been screw up on exit (such is the forgiveness, or better described 'lack there of) of a MotoGP machine.  You screw up and you'll pay for it dearly. Are you, J4rno and Kesh declaring he was 'outside the raceline'?  Kesh, you have club raced bro, you know damn well what that space means, as its a space on the track where every rider is reasonably expected to operate.  That Lorenzo is usually very consistently precise doesn't mean he doesn't mean he has given up rights to that 'parameter within a margin' of  space in which to operate. Do you understand?  Just because he uses very little deviation doesn't make that margin of space available to him.  He is reasonably expected to operate within a space that we term the "raceline", and its much wider than you boys think.  Was he out of that space?  .... no.  Did Marc come into that space?  .... yeah.  You guys act like all riders use the same line, they don't.  And Kesh, tying to make the case that Marc was acutely cognizant that Lorenzo would be within some imaginary space, within a few centimeters, to justify him dive bombing into the few centimeters adjacent to that space is frustrating to read  from you.  As I said, as little as we disagree on, I figured it best to agree to disagree because the debate was going nowhere.  


 


I was thinking about Marc's behavior when he walked into the pit after being black flagged.  He didn't walk in like a guy who was confused about why he was black flagged.  He got off his bike and walked in with resignation.  I honestly wonder if he thought he was black flagged for colliding with Lorenzo.  If we are to believe those who are arguing he was innocent in all this and was 'just following his team's pit signal' there would have been expression of confusion for getting flagged IF he didn't know why.  He rode in like, '...., I screwed up again, I hit another rider again, oh well'.  Climbed off his bike, sat down, the gimp next to him whispers something, THEN we saw some emotion where he stormed out.  Many ways to interpret this, all of them bad.  If he thought he screwed up by hitting Lorenzo, then his initial calm dejection signals he accepted his culpability.  It could also mean he was aware that his team ...... up and gaming the rules was for once punish.  Or he ...... up and lost his concentration on the track just before on the entry to pit lane, perhaps after being distracted in the moment where he experience a moment on the bike, and the red mist of racing Lorenzo blinded him from the immediate obligation to pit, at which point he had all the lap to think about it, realizing his error.  It seems Marc has many people ready to downplay his responsibilities in all this, even Mat Oxley good article above glosses over Marc and his team's obligations (not just to obey the rules, but I'm talking about fair play on the track).  
 
BarryMachine
3652921382586202

Cos MM really needed to pull a move in the pits ( or involving the pit change ) to best Lorenzo ........... :rolleyes:


 


 


You guys are nuts.


He didn't need to . That is the whole point. He didn't even need to win the race, and certainly didn't need to take any risks to win the race. I was tending to think it was a simple error, perhaps related  to him nearly coming of the bike just before he should have gone into the pits, but David Emmett has written a quite detailed article concerning it being a deliberate tactic from him and his crew. They still could be covering up for an error by MM I guess
 

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