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Jumkie
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Read a bit and connect the dots, is it really necessary that I repeat the logic here? Obviously getting a black flag for equipment malfunction wouldn't count.   The intent of the penalty points was to maintain a running and cumulative total of infractions for dangerous incidents so as to keep track of one's riding behavior and habits, specifically dangerous behavior.  Disregarding the specific obligation to swap tires because not doing so posed a specific and immediate danger to himself and other riders was in fact disregarded!  The DQ was for the immediate infraction, the penalty point system was supposed to keep a ledger for such infractions via additional points.  Basically by not adding an additional point, this system's intent has been circumvented.  Lets test the logic.  Lets say he continues to disregard specific obligations, how then is the penalty point system keeping a running total of these infractions as it pertains to dangerous behavior?  No, the DQ does not fulfill the intent of a cumulative running total.  This system is modeled after the common docking system we should all be familiar with, and really shouldn't pose any confusion to understand.  Let me put it another way, when you commit an infraction like a moving violation (I'm talking your drivers license).  You are issued a ticket with a fine, that is the penalty for the infraction.  On your license however an additional point is added so as to keep track of your driving habits.  That was the intent of the 'penalty point' system.  If another point is not added, the system is worthless (not that it had been applied with any consistency or adequacy in the first place.)  Given Race Direction's propensity to let Marc slide with ...., I fully expect the penalty point system to be conveniently forgotten.  Favoritism?  
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Again, your psychosis is flaring. THE REENTRY OF MARQUEZ IS A NON ISSUE TO ANYONE WHO MATTERS, Race direction and riders. 

We can see through you dude, if this involved a non Spaniard ,

especially one you have deemed to be overrated and a cheat, this would

not be an issue.   Marques is not under investigation for his

reentry, he is not getting banned, suspended or executed, so quit wasting every ones time with your wishlist of penalties.
 
povol
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Again, your psychosis is flaring. THE REENTRY OF MARQUEZ IS A NON ISSUE TO ANYONE WHO MATTERS, Race direction and riders. 

We can see through you dude, if this involved a non Spaniard ,

especially one you have deemed to be overrated and a cheat, this would

not be an issue.   Marques is not under investigation for his

reentry, he is not getting banned, suspended or executed, so quit wasting every ones time with your wishlist of penalties.
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Correct, he got black flagged for doing an extra lap, RD have not mentioned the contact, and as has been said many times, Jorge said it was his fault.
 
Pigeon
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Mg yes i all ways call Siberia the slight flip flop up to lukey heights
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I always call Siberia 'the slight jandal up to Lukey Heights'. 


 


 


<span style="font-size:10px;(the antipodeans will know what I mean...)
 
Arrabbiata1
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I thought you'd like that. I am ever destined to be eclipsed by his contributions if that's what you meant.


 


But yes, it was very pleasant thank you...still got Moto 2 to watch.
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Bought a very, very tidy Ducati SS for my son in Lynton - less than 6000 miles and less than 800 quid. The bloke was leaving on the Saturday to emigrate to Canada and I was the lucky recipient with folding stuff in my pocket.


 


The boy crashed it irreparably in less than 6 weeks. ......!
 
kiddyK
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Bought a very, very tidy Ducati SS for my son in Lynton - less than 6000 miles and less than 800 quid. The bloke was leaving on the Saturday to emigrate to Canada and I was the lucky recipient with folding stuff in my pocket.


 


The boy crashed it irreparably in less than 6 weeks. ......!
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Given the roads around there that perhaps comes as no great surprise!
 
No, I had to go down and get it. My mate lived outside Taunton - I caught the train down from Oxford and he gave me a lift to the bike and I rode it home. The boy stacked it at the Magic Roundabout in Swindon. Not really his fault - some codger didn't know the basics of the give-way rule.


 


Bugger of a job going to rescue him - that place is a ....... arse for traffic.
 
Gaz
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I simply cannot believe that Lorenzo did not look while coming down pit exit, he needs to be made to eat fair floss for a month as punishment     :lol:
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Brussels sprouts with extra garlic?  :)


 


I've yet to see a video that shows JL actually driving down onto the track but, I'll bet a 6 pack that he DID give a proper look as he merged, to be sure Pedro was not going to t-bone him.  "Going for it" and "Looking where the hell you are going" are not mutually exclusive (a concept seemingly too complex for MarcMurder®'s fans to grasp. :p  )
 
Pigeon
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It moved on the tyre temp did tell peddlers having got his up to temp

this is the out lap of Lorenzo after the bike change


Lorenzo up to the 60kmh board NEVER looked back

For other riders on track Dangerous thing to do

he could have come out anywhere and killed someone


 




 
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As I've tried to explain, 'looking' while trundling along the pit lane is pretty much pointless, since both riders are still many seconds from entering the merge zone and it is impossible to predict their future position on track with sufficient accuracy.


 


Unfortunately, the video source you are trying to twist to your will ends before JL reaches the merge zone.


 


JL had no reason to assume that Pedro wouldn't be right there with him when he regained the track.  Show me a video where JL drives onto the racing line w/o a head check and I'll shut up about it.  :)
 
Geonerd
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Brussels sprouts with extra garlic?  :)

 

I've yet to see a video that shows JL actually driving down onto the track but, I'll bet a 6 pack that he DID give a proper look as he merged, to be sure Pedro was not going to t-bone him.  "Going for it" and "Looking where the hell you are going" are not mutually exclusive (a concept seemingly too complex for MarcMurder®'s fans to grasp. :p  )
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What he means by a six pack is he will ... .... you 5 times then pack you in a box and bury you in the desert.

Thats a Geo 6 pack
 
povol
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<p style="margin-left:0px;font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;Jumkie, on 22 Oct 2013 - 00:51, said:
Jumkie
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<p style="margin-left:0px;Read a bit and connect the dots, is it really necessary that I repeat the logic here? Obviously getting a black flag for equipment malfunction wouldn't count.   The intent of the penalty points was to maintain a running and cumulative total of infractions for dangerous incidents so as to keep track of one's riding behavior and habits, specifically dangerous behavior.  Disregarding the specific obligation to swap tires because not doing so posed a specific and immediate danger to himself and other riders was in fact disregarded!  The DQ was for the immediate infraction, the penalty point system was supposed to keep a ledger for such infractions via additional points.  Basically by not adding an additional point, this system's intent has been circumvented.  Lets test the logic.  Lets say he continues to disregard specific obligations, how then is the penalty point system keeping a running total of these infractions as it pertains to dangerous behavior?  No, the DQ does not fulfill the intent of a cumulative running total.  This system is modeled after the common docking system we should all be familiar with, and really shouldn't pose any confusion to understand.  Let me put it another way, when you commit an infraction like a moving violation (I'm talking your drivers license).  You are issued a ticket with a fine, that is the penalty for the infraction.  On your license however an additional point is added so as to keep track of your driving habits.  That was the intent of the 'penalty point' system.  If another point is not added, the system is worthless (not that it had been applied with any consistency or adequacy in the first place.)  Given Race Direction's propensity to let Marc slide with ...., I fully expect the penalty point system to be conveniently forgotten.  Favoritism?  
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Again, your psychosis is flaring. THE REENTRY OF MARQUEZ IS A NON ISSUE TO ANYONE WHO MATTERS, Race direction and riders. 

We can see through you dude, if this involved a non Spaniard ,

especially one you have deemed to be overrated and a cheat, this would

not be an issue.   Marques is not under investigation for his

reentry, he is not getting banned, suspended or executed, so quit wasting every ones time with your wishlist of penalties.
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Is your new tactic to simply ignore the post you are quoting now?  Read what I said again, as the post you are quoting doesn't talk about the "re-entry" but rather the 'penalty point system' purpose of keeping track of rider behavior.  That's now several times you have failed to counter point with Baturro and in-sider in tow.  Debate what I have proposed above.  Tell me why getting DQ does not warrant an additional penalty point.  I even provided an example you can understand.  Can't water it down any more for you.  You can go all dram queen on me because you're still angry your boy ...... up royally, but try and debate what I have said.  
 
If Marquez would have entered the track a quarter second sooner.  He would have been on the receiving end of one of those Wilairot blast from a couple years ago.  Then we would have a real issue.  Luckily that wasnt the case.
 
Jumkie, your debating and complaining for the sake of complaining and debating.  Moving on to the next race.  I think your the last man standing on your soapbox.  No one is listening.  


 


Viva España 
 
Jumkie
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Is your new tactic to simply ignore the post you are quoting now?  Read what I said again, as the post you are quoting doesn't talk about the "re-entry" but rather the 'penalty point system' purpose of keeping track of rider behavior.  That's now several times you have failed to counter point with Baturro and in-sider in tow.  Debate what I have proposed above.  Tell me why getting DQ does not warrant an additional penalty point.  I even provided an example you can understand.  Can't water it down any more for you.  You can go all dram queen on me because you're still angry your boy ...... up royally, but try and debate what I have said.  
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Because he got black flagged for doing an extra lap, acting under instruction from his employers. He lost 25 points, he did not get punished for colliding with Jorge, so I see no reason for any penalty points.
 
Sloth_27
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Because Lorenzo was miles in front of Pedrosa, just like I said. But if Pedrosa had been closer, Lorenzo would have been racing him side by side, just like Marquez did to him.
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Lorenzo might be but the tech 3 bike behind lorenzo is in about the exact same position to dani that mm was to lorenzo. Did they touch ?
 
Keshav
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Lorenzo had the calculated "luxury" of being that <span style="font-size:18px;far ahead of Pedrosa when exiting pit lane. MM did not.
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Sloth_27
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He rejoined safely in front of Pedrosa because they were <span style="font-size:18px;nowhere near each other, not because he was being safe. You really think he would have backed if off if they had been racing each other to Turn 1?


 


Also, how do you know every other rider re-entered the track safely?
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Sloth_27
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Because Lorenzo <span style="font-size:18px;was miles in front of Pedrosa, just like I said. But if Pedrosa had been closer, Lorenzo would have been racing him side by side, just like Marquez did to him.
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1near adverb \ˈnir\
: close to someone or something in distance
 
: not far away in time
 
: almost or nearly
 
Are you boys aware that before the pit sequence that all three riders (Pedro, Marc, and Jorge) were 'near' eachother, so close in fact that they were at one point separated by tenths of a second ? (So were VR, Cal, & Alvaro btw, but lets just stick to one point at a time).  That means when they exited pit, there was a reasonable expectation they would also re-join "near" eachother.  The process of leaving the pit and merging onto the track, as has been the case since pitlanes were invented, it requires of the rider to MERGE safely.  That means the rider merging had to take some special action not to cause an incident when re-joining. I almost can't believe I'm having to explain this. I almost can't believe (but PS has taught me otherwise) how many people here are of the opinion that exiting pit lane and the purposefully action of merging safely was somehow 'impossible' at PI.  ALL pit exits require the rider to take action!  There is no pit lane in all of GP that magically puts the riders safely on a hot track without the action of merging properly! 
 
Anyway, lets test your description of the space between them, comparing and contrasting Lorenzo's merging and Marc's. So Pedrosa, according to you guys, wasn't even in the same area code to Jlo (see what you said above), while you insist Lorenzo was on Marc's ... when he left pit lane.  
 
Side-by-side pics.  How in the world was Lorenzo able to 'merge' on to the track with Pedro approaching at "nearly" 150mph and within tenths? Some might say he did the 'impossible'. The second side-by-side is them after each "merged".  Marc not only collided with Lorenzo but crossed up Pedro too by overshooting (not uncommon for him).
 
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Pigsh, how do you 'know' Jlo did not look over enough to merge?  You posted a pic of Marc looking back well in the middle of pit lane, which was nice of him, but looking to merge would have been better suited at the point of leaving the lane were it fed onto the track. 
 
Bat, you are still here.  So you are listening...
 

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Jum I have to say you are completely and utterly wrong by suggesting we shouldn't be comparing this to F1 as the two sports are far too different.


 


You suggest this even after seeing with your own eyes, a promising race event being ruined because nobody took the time to test that the tyres were fit for purpose.


 


If that isn't exactly like F1 this year, I don't know what is.
 

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