Tissot Australian Grand Prix 2013

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Pit lane exit should have been closed when the bike change window had expired.  Another example of Dorna/Race direction not covering all the possibilities and ....... up.  

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I've not seen the race yet, so I'm not commenting on 93/99, but I did watch quali.


 


All I remember is Espargaro being held up, getting quite animated about it and launching a kick in Hernandez' vague direction. It had no hope of actually connecting though, and I don't think it was intended as anything other than a show of exasperation. Then they came together lightly in the corner, which looked to me like Hernandez' fault.


 


Certainly don't remember anything consituting a crime, unless you're talking about a rider getting in the way of another almost certainly preventing him getting through to Q2, convieniently getting his teammmate in.

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And I'll add, not having the right of way, and specifically breaching the responsibilities of safe pit lane exit.  Not only a penalty point should be issues, but as Lil Red has pointed out, the DQ should incur an additional "penalty point" as that is exactly the intent of this system: TO KEEP A RUNNING CUMULATIVE RECORD OF INFARCTIONS so as to issue further sanctions as appropriate.  

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Funny but I have had the same thought a few times. If not that, some kind of personality disorder, or Pinball Wizard syndrome.

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There IS more than a hint of resemblance in the facial structure! 


 

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What specifically do you mean by PWS?  I can't find a proper definition on the interwebs.

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I'd like to be the first on record to say I believe Marc Marquez may suffer from Autism. Having a bit of training and experience regarding this condition, I believe there are some symptoms exhibited to support my suspicion.

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How much of a speed differential causing collision is safe?  5mph? 10, 15, 30, 40?  Lorenzo running wide was a difference of a foot or two, this still doesn't exonerate Marc for leaving and joining the racing line (which is not as wide as a millimeter). Lorenzo explained his entry was not inch perfect, that still doesn't exonerate Marc as you are attempting to laughably do. He simply did not give Lorenzo the space that is reasonable, and it resulted in a collision.  I think you can't accept it was dangerous because you think conceding the point will cast a negative light on Marc.  Too late.  Bottom line, it was the responsibility of the rider exiting the pit to do so without incident.  He pressed the issue recklessly. 

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I get where you're coming from - but given that both Lorenzo and Marquez were about equal as regards the time it took for them

to change bikes, and the lap times they were running - the scenario would have probably played out pretty much the same even

if Lorenzo had come in on the 9th lap and MM on the 10th (or vice-versa). Which gives rise to speculating about - what would it have been like if the two of them had both pitted at the same time? I'm imagining what potentially could have happened if the two of them were exiting pit lane with less than

a quarter second gap between them. Hmmm....


WITH PEDROSA BARRELING INTO TURN 1

 

Also - for those into endless speculation, consider how easily MM (nearly) matched Lorenzo's pace in that corner despite starting from pit lane -

given that the Honda's handling was suffering pretty badly with the chunking tire on that 11th lap. I can't be arsed to check it out but maybe

someone here will investigate how much (if any) MM's lap times suffered during that last lap on the worn out rubber.

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Maybe mark should have just parked at pit exit. With bikes coming at 300+km/h over the slight crest that is Gardner straight, leaving the pits at 1/5 the race pace, there couldn't possibly be a safe re-entry.

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Anyone got any footage/links/photocopy/parchment of Lorenzo re-entering the race?


 


Geo?

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It's not acceptable to you, who has MM crucified for past screw ups and are blinded by that.


 


Given that this race was ran like an F1 race, what MM did was not technically wrong.  Did he put JL into a compromising situation?  Sure he did.  Given that this race was ran the way it was, the entire circuit was a "hot zone" including the pits and pit lane.  This is not the case in 99% of GP races.  MM was in the lead at the time going through pits and can occupy space at the lead of the field if he gets there, an he did.  The only examples I can offer are again in F1 racing where this is constantly done.  I do not deny that it is safer to do this in a car, but correct entry to and from pit was not discussed at the non existent rider brief.  


 


And I firmly believe that if any of the top 4 riders would have found themselves in the situation MM found himself in they would have done the same thing.  Or are you telling me that JL would have yielded to MM if the situation was opposite?  You know he wouldn't have.  But then it your reaction would have been, "the mamba strikes again."  

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I am with you and baturro on this.


 


I think, partly informed by Gaz who has marshalled at PI, that with the pit-lane speed limit and pit-lane exit in place there was no real way to-re-enter the track safely other than by waiting for the whole field to pass, which isn't going to happen with the top riders particularly with a championship on the line.

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I am in agreement with you on this, and your similar arguments in earlier posts.


 


I think there is a problem in general. Ezy is a business man, and seeks to emulate the successful international motorsports model which is F1. I think he actually does see the bikes as 2 wheeled F1 cars.


 


I think everyone involved in the week-end just gone was thinking F1, including the riders who we know from twitter etc play the race simulation video games and indeed are reputed to use them to help learn tracks. My suspicion that Honda were trying pit strategies was partly because Nakamoto is an ex- Honda F1 guy. I think both Lorenzo and MM likely had an F1 tempered approach to the incident in question.


 


The problem of course is that race bikes are not 2 wheeled F1 cars as you say, lacking roll cages and carbon fibre safety capsules as well as the extra wheels and consequent greater contact with the track and stability, and it is in fact extremely dangerous to have an F1 approach to track re-entry. I think JL realised this post-race and was likely just thankful he had narrowly avoided catastrophe rather than being in the mindset of allocating blame. Contrary to some I don't think he is a hypocrite, and probably thought he could have been more cautious as well in the unusual circumstance. As per my previous post, I agree with barbedwire there was probably no real way of safely rejoining the "hot" track,  particularly with the changed pit lane speed limit and exit. 


 


I still do think in general that M needs to have some sort of epiphany concerning bike racing actually being dangerous for himself and others, as I believe Stoner and Lorenzo, both hot-heads as 250 riders, had after various incidents in their rookie years in the premier class, but even the Willairot incident and crash later in the season which threatened his vison and hence his acreer don't seem to have had that effect.

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Anyone got any footage/links/photocopy/parchment of Lorenzo re-entering the race?


 


Geo?

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What you saw occurred during Qually, the incident occurred on the slow down lap after qually between T1 and on entry to T2


 


The incident involved striking, gesticulating and eventually what was a barging of bikes

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To start with, they are nowhere near 170 mph at that point of the track, and second, Lorenzo has already taken responsibility for running wide. God you all are a bunch of ....... drama queens.


 


Ive never heard so much whining in my ....... life, 

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I am in agreement with you on this, and your similar arguments in earlier posts.


 


I think there is a problem in general. Ezy is a business man, and seeks to emulate the successful international motorsports model which is F1. I think he actually does see the bikes as 2 wheeled F1 cars.


 


I think everyone involved in the week-end just gone was thinking F1, including the riders who we know from twitter etc play the race simulation video games and indeed are reputed to use them to help learn tracks. My suspicion that Honda were trying pit strategies was partly because Nakamoto is an ex- Honda F1 guy. I think both Lorenzo and MM likely had an F1 tempered approach to the incident in question.


 


The problem of course is that race bikes are not 2 wheeled F1 cars as you say, lacking roll cages and carbon fibre safety capsules as well as the extra wheels and consequent greater contact with the track and stability, and it is in fact extremely dangerous to have an F1 approach to track re-entry. I think JL realised this post-race and was likely just thankful he had narrowly avoided catastrophe rather than being in the mindset of allocating blame. Contrary to some I don't think he is a hypocrite, and probably thought he could have been more cautious as well in the unusual circumstance. As per my previous post, I agree with barbedwire there was probably no real way of safely rejoining the "hot" track,  particularly with the changed pit lane speed limit and exit. 


 


I still do think in general that M needs to have some sort of epiphany concerning bike racing actually being dangerous for himself and others, as I believe Stoner and Lorenzo, both hot-heads as 250 riders, had after various incidents in their rookie years in the premier class, but even the Willairot incident and crash later in the season which threatened his vision and hence his career don't seem to have had that effect.

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