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The is extremely unsurprising news. Regardless of what side you take in the issues of the 2015 season.
What was the inspiration for the title "The truth emerges"? Are we supposed to draw some greater conclusions about either Marquez or Rossi from this announcement?
What was the inspiration for the title "The truth emerges"? Are we supposed to draw some greater conclusions about either Marquez or Rossi from this announcement?
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Actually, this article below is perhaps more apropos for the thread title.
http://motor.as.com/motor/2016/01/20/motociclismo/1453321084_095163.html
http://motor.as.com/motor/2016/01/20/motociclismo/1453321084_095163.html
Not speaking for Pov here but I suspect that the title has a lot to do with the accusations around the time of Valencia that Rossi had dumped Marquez merchandise and had made a decision that he would no longer produce, supply or sell #93 merchandise where this latter article sheds different light
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For the record,
In Valencia I bought a Marquez jacket from the VR46 booth,
it was heavily discounted, 50% off.
Funny how Valentino made money selling MM's stuff.
But in the end, the old goat had the last laugh.
Good for Vale
In Valencia I bought a Marquez jacket from the VR46 booth,
it was heavily discounted, 50% off.
Funny how Valentino made money selling MM's stuff.
But in the end, the old goat had the last laugh.
Good for Vale
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That's exactly the sort of thing I have been trying to make clear to you, Jum. You should see who got the contract to build the Circuit of Wales.
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From Google translate:
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I'm sure eventually it will be reported on by English media. The thing I find interesting is that Carmelo Ezpeleta is specifically named.
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This wasn't "new" news, as there had already been reports both were not going to maintain a business relation, either initiated by Rossi or Marquez. I think the article was basically elaboration NOT breaking news. Valentino is still talking .... about Marquez, he went on a rant at the Yamaha launch just a few days ago. Marc is basically saying, well if you insist I'm a cheater, .... you then.
For me the most alarming thing is that it's described as a "feud" as if it was mutually instigated. This description gives license to speak about it as if both parties have been equally hostile, when it's actually been one sided. All the journalists insist on describing it as such when clearly this whole .... was started by Rossi's paranoid baseless accusations. The insistance that Marquez 'retaliated' at Sepang, and therefore they can site "provocation" is generally accepted as fact; when everything points to the opposite reality. The assessment of Read and Gardner is the prevailing account of the situation, I challenge you to find one solitary journalists with a fundamentally opposite view. You may find journalists more 'sympathetic' to Marquez but not fundamentally different because everyone accepts Marquez's riding at Sepang was not 'pure'. While the perspective is Rossi's riding was 'pure'.
To this I ask, if you were asked to associate the description, 'Mastermind Machiavellian' to one rider among the entire 2015 rider list, which rider would get the checkmark? It would practically be a unanimous consensus. Answer: Valentino Rossi.
If you were asked to associate the description: 'thoughtless pure speed' to one rider among the entire 2015 line up, who would get the checkmark? Answer: Marc Marquez.
So how did we get to a point that suddenly these roles and reputation are completely reversed?! For this one incident every expert, journalists, and most spectators have decided to interpret Sepang through the exact opposite lense. When in fact most of these exact same people's interpretation of Thursday's accusations was as follows: Rossi is just employing an awesome mind .... mind-game. Surely the kid will capitulate like every other has in the face of Rossi's admirable abilities to make his rivals fold (that was the perspective of his fans). That was the initial reaction. Because at first that was the explanation to such an outlandish accusation. Once they realized Rossi was being serious, it went from 'mindgame' to 'fact'. And so the PERSPECTIVE changed for all the masses.
The problem I have with every single formal account (bar none) I have ever read to cover the Sepang incident is that they assume Rossi's actions were 'pure' while assuming Marquez was not. However Rossi had ten times more the motivation to slow down Marc by employing Machiavellian tactics the same that he used against Casey Stoner in 2008. That being: VR needed to slow down the faster rider. It was Rossi slowing down Marquez not the other way around. For every pass Marquez completed, Rossi overtook, the ONLY difference in interpretation is PERSPECTIVE. That's what fires me up! Here we have a case where before this incident; everyone's consensus was that Marc raced with the intent of pure speed, sometimes so thoughtless that it put others in danger, at the time he had few detractors SINCE it was modeled after the 'great Rossi'. It was the general consensus Rossi raced with strategy and tactics including 'mind-games.' This was the generally accepted perspective, was it not? Yet when journalists and spectators interpret what happened at Sepang they have switched totally the opposite general consensus they held before this race: to believe Marc was this Machiavellian mastermind while Rossi only employed saintly pureness, just wanting to race based on his sheer speed, like "racing is supposed to be." You get what I'm saying? In fact just two days prior to the on-track incident, journalists were sure it was just good old Rossi mindgames at work. The switch flipped two days later and the world sees Marquez as this ....... who purposely employed some Machiavellian conspiracy to .... with Rossi.
Rossi has to this day kept up his ..... ... accusations, just days ago at the Yamaha launch, demanding Lorenzo and Marquez need to respect him. Which expert, journalists, or former racer has responded to him by saying, wait Rossi, you are the one being DISRESPECTFUL by accusating them of cheating and conspiring to STEAL, FIX the title (which he instigated). Never willing to take Rossi to task! VR continues to accuse both Lorenzo and Marquez of conspiring against him on no more evidence other than his paranoia, yet HE is demanding respect? Saturday Night Live nor the Onion News could parody such madness.
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I opened this thread and saw the Great Wall of text and I immediately thought... It's his Jumkieness or what? Sure nuff!
Love your work mate!
I think Rossi and MM and the media all have a role to play. It gets to be expected, like a recurring joke or a WWF conflict or whatever. The very same chemistry that drives your muse is the reason the story continues to have legs: it's at once polarizing and amusing. A perfect media storm. [emoji106]
Love your work mate!
I think Rossi and MM and the media all have a role to play. It gets to be expected, like a recurring joke or a WWF conflict or whatever. The very same chemistry that drives your muse is the reason the story continues to have legs: it's at once polarizing and amusing. A perfect media storm. [emoji106]
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From what I've seen lately, the automatic and devoted Rossi-worship has taken a big hit from 2015. I think Rossi fans know deep down that Rossi screwed up. They're experiencing a kind of cognitive dissonance, similar to what a kid might experience when they get old enough to see that their father, a once super-powerful and all-knowing figure, is just some guy. I think it's rather hard for them to accept, so all the irrational mud-throwing in the chatrooms is just a way for them to convince themselves that they're on the right side.
Another thing I can see happening now is a backlash against this "Rossi IS MotoGP" attitude. That packed a lot more punch a few years ago.
The fact of the matter is that Rossi lost in 2015. "But it was unfair!" He lost, get over it. "But he is the better rider." Lorenzo beat him in every statistical category. Get over it. "But he IS MotoGP." No he isn't. Get over it. "Well .... you Lorenzo/Marquez loving ...... ...-clown." At that point, there should be no response other than to simply say, "Sorry, you're wrong." To give in to the urge to debate these notions at this point is to give the folks who are still in denial a shred of vindication that their rants might be based in fact and not hurt-feelings and powerful disappointment.
Another thing I can see happening now is a backlash against this "Rossi IS MotoGP" attitude. That packed a lot more punch a few years ago.
The fact of the matter is that Rossi lost in 2015. "But it was unfair!" He lost, get over it. "But he is the better rider." Lorenzo beat him in every statistical category. Get over it. "But he IS MotoGP." No he isn't. Get over it. "Well .... you Lorenzo/Marquez loving ...... ...-clown." At that point, there should be no response other than to simply say, "Sorry, you're wrong." To give in to the urge to debate these notions at this point is to give the folks who are still in denial a shred of vindication that their rants might be based in fact and not hurt-feelings and powerful disappointment.
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Yes.
He's an utter piece of ...., that has done more to destroy grand prix motorcycle racing than to help it.
He gave rise to a fanbase that believes the entire history of grand prix motorcycle racing began in 2000, and only exists because he rides in the world championship.
His entire fanbase takes their cues from him.
The media takes their cues from him.
Former riders take their cues from him.
In fact what you have is a prime example of how ....... mindless and stupid people are, that they believe the .... that Rossi spews out of his mouth. Jums post highlights what exactly is so wrong with the entire situation, with the way people just RUSHED to defend Rossi based on nothing more than his insane claims.
Rossi fans just blather on away about, "DURRRRRRRRRRRR DURRRRRRRRRRRRRR WHAT A COMPETITOR, WHAT FIGHTING SPIRIT DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!"
Like I said, being a Rossi fan is symptomatic of mental deficiency and a disease that one can so allow themselves to be wrapped up by his ........ and believe he's a great person because he acknowledges the fans more than anyone else does.
The fans see nothing wrong with him having an altogether different set of rules that he competes by, and then believe the championship is being truly conducted under the guise of fair play. They consider it a sign of his drive when he is busy making contact with other riders. Then they cry when anyone dares to race him back. They cried because Stoner was better and exposed Rossi for the fraud he was.
They think Rossi should be entitled and advantaged even when it ruins the entire championship, but god forbid anyone else challenge him, then it's suddenly deemed not fair. Every Rossi fan thought MM got "what he deserved" at Sepang because of Rossi's lunatic claims about Phillip Island.
.... him. .... him up the ....
