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Stoners warm-up lap

crashed MANY times when in the lead? the only reason why it seems stoner crashes whilst he is in the lead, and not many riders crash whilst in the lead is that other than stoner, rossi, horhey and pedrosa, no other rider is ever in the lead even for a single lap in a race.

horhey has carshed plenty, pedrosa has crashed whilst in the lead, and rossi worse crash was in valencia when he was in the lead of the championship when he crashed.

take it for what u will, unlike 4 wheels, 2 bikes are so unpredictable, even if you feel comfortable one little slip up and its game over.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Apr 13 2010, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>agree it would have been talked about the same for any rider they all strive to lead/win

Lorenzo crashed out of the lead twice last year and not nearly as much fuss was made.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 13 2010, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>crashed MANY times when in the lead? the only reason why it seems stoner crashes whilst he is in the lead, and not many riders crash whilst in the lead is that other than stoner, rossi, horhey and pedrosa, no other rider is ever in the lead even for a single lap in a race.

horhey has carshed plenty, pedrosa has crashed whilst in the lead, and rossi worse crash was in valencia when he was in the lead of the championship when he crashed.
Generally valid point, although rossi was in the lead in the championship in 2006 but not the race when he crashed, and in most years crashes in the lead or otherwise infrequently. He did crash more often last year though.
 
Holy .... pinky made a valid point! Oddly enough I don't really disagree with any point being made. Except that I don't believed he backed off. I think maybe he thinks he backed off but the times prove otherwise. The brain backed off but the hand connected to the throttle did not. Good on him for not making excuses and just owning up to the mistake.

I think he needs to change his practice strategy more than his warm-up. He needs to do race simulation during practice instead of this one and done strategy. We all know he can put down a scorching lap time. But how about focussing in on his weakness, racepace. 2 seconds in five laps is not enough?
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Tell that to his teamate, how much did he take 4th by? Thats what I thought.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Apr 13 2010, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think he needs to change his practice strategy more than his warm-up. He needs to do race simulation during practice instead of this one and done strategy. We all know he can put down a scorching lap time. But how about focussing in on his weakness, racepace. 2 seconds in five laps is not enough?
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Tell that to his teamate, how much did he take 4th by? Thats what I thought.
Actually 2.441 seconds in 4 laps v rossi, as he was 0.348 seconds behind at the end of lap 1.

You may have a point, as I recall he did near race simulations in practice in 2007. Perhaps they had a stable set-up they were happy with then though, and have required more changes with greater challenges from rossi/burgess/yamaha and less practice time.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Apr 13 2010, 09:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Actually 2.441 seconds in 4 laps v rossi, as he was 0.348 seconds behind at the end of lap 1.

You may have a point, as I recall he did near race simulations in practice in 2007. Perhaps they had a stable set-up they were happy with then though, and have required more changes with greater challenges from rossi/burgess/yamaha and less practice time.

Set-up being good or no. It is about repetition, the race isn't made up of a bunch of short stints. Its a 20 some odd lap mental and physical battle. And he should prepare as such. You win the race at the end not the beginning.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Apr 13 2010, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Set-up being good or no. It is about repetition, the race isn't made up of a bunch of short stints. Its a 20 some odd lap mental and physical battle. And he should prepare as such. You win the race at the end not the beginning.

Then how come all them guys work so hard get on the pole position?
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"..., the race isn't made up of a bunch of short stints." each and every lap is a short stint
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 13 2010, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then how come all them guys work so hard get on the pole position?
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Only in the last five minutes or so of each practice/quali, except for one person in particular. The rest of the time they are working on race simulation or getting the bike in order. But you are just trying to be difficult, you know what I am saying.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Apr 13 2010, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"..., the race isn't made up of a bunch of short stints." each and every lap is a short stint

Then why dont they give out points for each lap just the race end?
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Short stint meaning running small numbers of laps at a time, then taking a candy break and going back out. But then again you already knew that too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Apr 13 2010, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Only in the last five minutes or so of each practice/quali, except for one person in particular. The rest of the time they are working on race simulation or getting the bike in order. But you are just trying to be difficult, you know what I am saying.
You assume that Stoner comes in every five or six laps just to have a rest. None of us know what he does in those times in the box. But considering he's a professional motorcycle racer, I'm going to assume he's delivering feedback to help improve the bike. Just like Rossi and every other rider out there does.
 
The way it came across to me about Stoners kissing of the dirt was that. -

He was a relatively decent distance away from the pack, enough so the cameras forget him and show something more exciting. They seemed to think he had pushed it a little to much round the bend he came off at because his line was slightly out which meant he hit the dustier part of the track noone had been taking. Rossi said at the end that he was sliding everywhere as well. I honestly think with Stoner it could have been a bit of .... rossis behind me and wanting to stay out and up. Stoner to me always seems to do well in qualifying, setting lap records in both qualifying, test and the race - but never seems to do well when it matters.

I just wish Stoner would stop wingeing - take it like a man "i ...... up, did blah blah, won't be doing it again well done everyone else" instead of blaming everything and anything. I was dissappointed he refused to be interviewed after he'd come off (everyone else gave an interview). My respect for him would have started to come back. However it would have been nice if he'd have stayed on because the race would have been so much more entertaining.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (halfpint @ Apr 13 2010, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but never seems to do well when it matters.

I just wish Stoner would stop wingeing - take it like a man "i ...... up, did blah blah, won't be doing it again well done everyone else" instead of blaming everything and anything.

He is a world champion! And thats pretty much exactly what he quite maturely said. Pay attention
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 13 2010, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He is a world champion! And thats pretty much exactly what he quite maturely said. Pay attention
ditto
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 13 2010, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You assume that Stoner comes in every five or six laps just to have a rest. None of us know what he does in those times in the box. But considering he's a professional motorcycle racer, I'm going to assume he's delivering feedback to help improve the bike. Just like Rossi and every other rider out there does.

Assumption incorrect. I didn't mean that he NEEDS a rest. Just that he takes them after 5 laps or so. I am sure he does give feed back, I also didn't mean to imply that he didn't. He is always fast out of the gate, so his times don't improve much thought the weekend. So why not run more race sim? Five laps mental rest, five more laps mental rest, ect. ect. Point being its not about the physical but more about the mental side of race simulation. It can be hard to focus for 45 minutes even while leading by a large margin. It's about strengthening your weaknesses. And we all know his weakness is not putting the bike on pole.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 13 2010, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He is a world champion! And thats pretty much exactly what he quite maturely said. Pay attention


Did he????? Where did he say that?
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I only get BBC coverage and I skipped the last page.
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I take it back if he didn't winge, and apologise, perhaps he has grown up a little bit whilst the season was in hibernation.
 
I have a question to the Stoner fans or anyone else for that matter.

If Stoner does do the 5 laps in (has a chat about the bike and set up, has a suck on his monster blah blah) qualifying then goes out again for another 5 laps etc. He repeats this process at every track and at every race (never exceeds 5 laps).

How many times has Stoner come off the bike on the 5/6/7 lap????

I was a pretty good sports person and i know how these little rituals insignificant they maybe can actually play with your head and make you loose focus in competition. Perhaps Stoner could benifit better if he had a few sessions riding for 10 laps varying his speed etc. See your mind no matter how good a sports person or how fit you are can play up and mess up your own game.

If i was him (and i assume he keeps a log of what he does eating / drink wise and training, qualifying) then i would go back to the time i was world champion and compare what he did then to now. Funnily enough it could be a 1% drop in dehydration before/during a race that can loose his concentration and wreck a whole race if not a season.

I honestly do hope he has recovered from last years illness and he does give rossi and evryone a run for their money. We need the sport to thrieve and gain more fan base.
 
Casey Stoner race dnf
2006

mugello out lap 9
Catalunya out lap 9
laguna out lap 15
motegi out lap 13
estoril out lap 2
valencia out lap 24

2008

brno out lap 7
misano out lap 8 had 3.011.sec lead


2009

Valencia dnf warm up lap

2010

Qatar out lap 6
 
06 was a tough year for casey... he had some bad ones i remember... one effectivly ended rogers favorite riders career.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Apr 13 2010, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"..., the race isn't made up of a bunch of short stints." each and every lap is a short stint
It would be if they stopped after each lap but they don't !
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