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Stoner to Yamaha !?!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 25 2009, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well what is it?

One minute he doesn't train enough.

Now he eats to much Candy (.... hate that word - candy - just sounds like a pathetic wimpy word to me - candy).

But, if he was eating so much Candy, not training enough or corrcetly as you have asserted would he not look like KRjr after he ate the pies?

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Why will be interesting and is being discussed elsewhere is how the constant leaks from Ducati will effect the relationship as it is clear now (still) that Ducati in order to be up top need one rider and they may have pissed that rider off. Whilst Stoner may well return, one expects any relationship to be very frosty so maybe an ice-cream sponsor would be useful.

There yah go, thought I would throw something in for you - no, how about you go and apply your keen eye for physical development opportunities to the womens volletball team.







Gaz
I find no internal consistency in the stuff about stoner, just as with all the lorenzo stuff much of which proved to be fictional to the annoyance at present of many. The attribution of the candy/diet comment in motogp matters was extremely vague as such things usually are but in general terms you would think any motogp rider would need to have a healthy diet as well as appropriate fitness training to last the distance in a race weekend, particularly at the hotter locations.

Opposed to this is as you and I have said stoner is reputedly a fitness fanatic; his performance in 2007 which involved extreme physicality in his riding of the ducati, the ability to ride the thing on the limit right to the end at near lap-record pace in many dominant wins, and basically no significant riding error in a race for a whole season would seem consistent with both a high level of fitness and unusual strength for his size. There did not seem to be any problem with his strength or endurance this year either up until after the mugello race, and the possibility that what has been said by him and others with very clear attribution (ie that he contracted an illness, possibly viral, in the week leading up to the next race) is actually true surely must exist, and in such circumstances physical activity and in particular heavy training is problematic.

I think if casey's head has been "done in", which I would have thought the mugello race provided evidence against, it has been by his media coverage and not by rossi. Whatever casey's media skills or lack thereof and although it is not valentino's fault I suspect that beating him in races on any sort of repetitive basis and certainly beating him for a world championship is not consistent with widespread popularity for anyone.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Aug 26 2009, 01:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Google high metabolism and/or diabetes smarty pants.


Don't need to - my brither has it (the .......).

He can eath 4 - 5 chicken breasts, around 6 - 8 baked potatoes for dinner, then have breakfast the next day and a few burgers for lunch - guess what - the prick does not put on weight. Farkin sickens me.

And my parts are not Smartie pants, they aren't coloured.

Google smarties - not sure if they have them where you are.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Aug 26 2009, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I find no internal consistency in the stuff about stoner, just as with all the lorenzo stuff much of which proved to be fictional to the annoyance at present of many. The attribution of the candy/diet comment in motogp matters was extremely vague as such things usually are but in general terms you would think any motogp rider would need to have a healthy diet as well as appropriate fitness training to last the distance in a race weekend, particularly at the hotter locations.

Nor do I Michael, and thus why I am taking it with a grain of salt.

Whilst there has been much angst between Stoner and the italian media, which explains much of their angle, there had been little externally apparent angst between Stoner, Ducati and/or Phillip Morris until the illness situation.

To me, we are looking at no more than an attempt to besmirch an individual for the gain of others or a single entity. In short, rumour mongering to undermine one's position and therefore start an undercurrent in preparation for removal or replacement.

No idea who started it but what I find interesting (and there is much of this in some Oz forums as well) is that people choose the truth dependent upon who says it. Stoner says he is ill - people say BS, an un-named and unattributed source says Stoner won't eat for 14 hours than stuffs his face with Candy (wonder how Adriana feels about that Sacky
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) and yet we are to believe that comment.

To me, a a lot of this seemed heavily targetted at the presumption that Lorenzo would sign with Ducati and was interestingly an attempt to likely unsettle an already ill Stoner (ie. piss him off even more). But, with Lorenzo not signing for 2010 the whole shenanigans and who ever has orchestrated them is instead left to look a fool.

The obvious question is there and even the esteemed likes of Mdub cannot answer iT.

Basically if the Stoner training method that is being criticised is new, who allowed it to develop and for what reasons (the obvious thought here is wrist injury - but we know that was faked right
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), if it is not new than why suddebly is it being ciriticised?

I know a lot of athlets, and am sure many of us do and in that group I can bet we woudl find many who have what nutritionists and Personal Trainers woudl likely call an unhealthy regime of exercise or diet, yet these people remain at the tope or near of their sport. This may be such things as food, through alcohol, smoking etc, but to me it smells of a beatup pure and simple.





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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 26 2009, 05:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nor do I Michael, and thus why I am taking it with a grain of salt.

Whilst there has been much angst between Stoner and the italian media, which explains much of their angle, there had been little externally apparent angst between Stoner, Ducati and/or Phillip Morris until the illness situation.

To me, we are looking at no more than an attempt to besmirch an individual for the gain of others or a single entity. In short, rumour mongering to undermine one's position and therefore start an undercurrent in preparation for removal or replacement.

No idea who started it but what I find interesting (and there is much of this in some Oz forums as well) is that people choose the truth dependent upon who says it. Stoner says he is ill - people say BS, an un-named and unattributed source says Stoner won't eat for 14 hours than stuffs his face with Candy (wonder how Adriana feels about that Sacky
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) and yet we are to believe that comment.

To me, a a lot of this seemed heavily targetted at the presumption that Lorenzo would sign with Ducati and was interestingly an attempt to likely unsettle an already ill Stoner (ie. piss him off even more). But, with Lorenzo not signing for 2010 the whole shenanigans and who ever has orchestrated them is instead left to look a fool.

The obvious question is there and even the esteemed likes of Mdub cannot answer iT.

Basically if the Stoner training method that is being criticised is new, who allowed it to develop and for what reasons (the obvious thought here is wrist injury - but we know that was faked right
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), if it is not new than why suddebly is it being ciriticised?

I know a lot of athlets, and am sure many of us do and in that group I can bet we woudl find many who have what nutritionists and Personal Trainers woudl likely call an unhealthy regime of exercise or diet, yet these people remain at the tope or near of their sport. This may be such things as food, through alcohol, smoking etc, but to me it smells of a beatup pure and simple.





Gaz
i agree gaz but this is what happens when you show weakness at this level. As ive said before, this is a very shrewd business.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Aug 26 2009, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone want a sweetie?

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Well I havent ate anything since yesterday, but I'll have a hand full. Mmmm, can I have some more? Candy is dandy!
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We have a famous basketball player (Lamar Odom) here in the states that runs on candy somdays. He has attributed some of his best performances to candy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>LOS ANGELES -- <span style="color:#225fb2Lamar Odom just can't help himself when it comes to the sweet stuff. He loves candy.

He even credits his consumption of sugary treats for fueling his double-double performances in Games 5 and 6 of the Western Conference finals that helped the <span style="color:#225fb2Los Angeles Lakers close out Denver and reach the NBA finals.

"It's funny because the games I played well were the games where I ate candy for breakfast," he said, grinning. "It's the reason why I got double digits in points and rebounds. I guess I'm going to have to eat candy for breakfast in order to play well."

They did a little documentary on him and he eats a <u>lot</u> of candy and still manages to play well.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 26 2009, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We have a famous basketball player (Lamar Odom) here in the states that runs on candy somdays. He has attributed some of his best performances to candy.



They did a little documentary on him and he eats a <u>lot</u> of candy and still manages to play well.
Yeah and the NBA is full of stoners, whats your point? That casey smokes weed?
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Its all the usual ........ from the media just to keep the forums busy e.g. junkies MJ and JL tripe...

pinch of salt boys!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Aug 26 2009, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah and the NBA is full of stoners, whats your point? That casey smokes weed?
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My point being, if you can be an NBA athlete and a very good one at that, while engulfing copius amounts of candy, I don't see why someone else couldn't do it in another sport.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 26 2009, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My point being, if you can be an NBA athlete and a very good one at that, while engulfing copius amounts of candy, I don't see why someone else couldn't do it in another sport.
Oh ...., you were serious? First Lamar Odom practices every day of the week and plays a came that is a cardiovascular workout. So he is in great shape. Second I see nothing that says he doesn't also take in balanced meals through out the day, and just eats candy for a sugar boost for games and practice. Which is still a little ......... He needs to try peanut butter, banana, and honey sandwiches, I am eating one right now. Its a great source of natural sugar. Anyway it was stated that cs binges on candy after going long periods without eating a real meal, that is beyond ......... So in my opinion there is no comparison at all.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Aug 26 2009, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh ...., you were serious? First Lamar Odom practices every day of the week and plays a came that is a cardiovascular workout. So he is in great shape. Second I see nothing that says he doesn't also take in balanced meals through out the day, and just eats candy for a sugar boost for games and practice. Which is still a little ......... He needs to try peanut butter, banana, and honey sandwiches, I am eating one right now. Its a great source of natural sugar. Anyway it was stated that cs binges on candy after going long periods without eating a real meal, that is beyond ......... So in my opinion there is no comparison at all.
are you and a few others who should know better, basing your opinion on heresay and conjecture?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The Australian is reported to go for long periods - 12 to 14 hours - without eating, and then to binge on candy rather than have a proper meal. These reports, it must be said, come from the Spanish press, a source which is not always 100% reliable, though they claimed that they had this information from "sources close to Casey Stoner."

has CS himself stated this? no?
seems there is something else "beyond ........" here as well!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Aug 26 2009, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>has CS himself stated this? no?
seems there is something else "beyond ........" here as well!

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Al, Al, Al, I am shocked at you.

You know as well as I do that nothing Casey says is the truth as all he can do is ........ and that journalists (like Used Car salespeople in Oz) are the most trusted profession.

Besides which, all Aussie kids like their 'camdy; in large doses.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 26 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am not Mick Doohan ok.



Over here they don't use the name Candy so much, as Rochelle, Lucy, Veronika and my favourite Mistress Viveka.
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Very good Gaz, Mick does love a bit of Kitten rubbed in his face, as do I!!



Mbdub-awesome shot, creame egg!!!
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Odd behavior, if true, from CS? He didn't really have much of a childhood/teenage experience, hope we aren't seeing another bazaar child star-this isn't Hollywood!
It is interesting, a lot of his behavioral traits are quite child like?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Aug 27 2009, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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Very good Gaz, Mick does love a bit of Kitten rubbed in his face, as do I!!

And there is nothing wrong with that either

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Aug 27 2009, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is interesting, a lot of his behavioral traits are quite child like?

But, and this will lead us off topic are his 'traits' unusual by todays younger athlete standards?

We see many of today's younger athletes who are bought up and/or recognised from a very early age as having a talent that is above that of their peers. Often they are put into academies where their every whim is catered for, or they are cloistered away and wrapped in cotton wool by their respective 'mentor' and never learn the intracacies of personal interaction.

The first real cases I can recall seeing would be the tennis era of Tracey Austin, Andrea Jaeger etc but it now seems far more common and widespread.







Gaz
 
One thing to be sure of, regardless of how isolated Casey is on his farm in Australia, he's heard all the Lorenzo ......... Kinda reminds me of the Jay Cutler saga in Denver if your familiar with American football. If healthy, I wouldn't be surprised to see Casey come back and decimate the field, circa 07. He won't win the title this year, but I doubt he'll be back with Ducati after 2010. Anyone that's ever been in that situation, where your employer thinks they can do better, can empathize. I hope he comes back and dominates.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (swami @ Aug 27 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One thing to be sure of, regardless of how isolated Casey is on his farm in Australia, he's heard all the Lorenzo ......... Kinda reminds me of the Jay Cutler saga in Denver if your familiar with American football. If healthy, I wouldn't be surprised to see Casey come back and decimate the field, circa 07. He won't win the title this year, but I doubt he'll be back with Ducati after 2010. Anyone that's ever been in that situation, where your employer thinks they can do better, can empathize. I hope he comes back and dominates.
You mean we have to put up with boring racing again, just kidding buddy but we do need mentally healthy CS back as soon as possible.We want to see him fighting with yamaha boys on every race weekend.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Aug 26 2009, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You mean we have to put up with <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%boring racing again, just kidding buddy but we do need mentally healthy CS back as soon as possible.We want to see him fighting with yamaha boys on every race weekend.
i would never call bike racing boring... ever. it may get processional at times & the excitment may not be there always but it is never boring.
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