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Stoner to HRC in 2011

I know its not quite latin america but Yonny Hernendez from Columbia is close. He is the bees knees!



Oh, I'll dig into it... Where does he Ride? I'll follow up as I used to with Barros, past era though!
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I think the top is as strong as it has ever been but once you drop down past the top 6 or 7 riders I think the talent is pretty average. Considering this is the elite of the elite I think the depth is poor. I don't want to continuously harp on the Spanish Italian thing but they are farming in too small a field. You can't have the top 5 riders from each of two countries and call it elite. You also can't fix it over night it will probably take 5 years to foster talent in many countries so the top 1 or 2 riders from 10 countries are in the elite category.



Pls bear with me for my ignorance, but when did 500cc or MotoGP di have 10 - 15 alien sort of riders competing in a single season???

Its always been like this.





 
....... hell TP, Cant you be consistent in your argument
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You have contradicted yourself several times this past week. You were telling us how it's all the bike and unless your on a top factory ride you have no chance. Now the tallent is poor below the top 6 or 7 riders
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it's called mood swings!
 
I think the top is as strong as it has ever been but once you drop down past the top 6 or 7 riders I think the talent is pretty average. Considering this is the elite of the elite I think the depth is poor. I don't want to continuously harp on the Spanish Italian thing but they are farming in too small a field. You can't have the top 5 riders from each of two countries and call it elite. You also can't fix it over night it will probably take 5 years to foster talent in many countries so the top 1 or 2 riders from 10 countries are in the elite category.



Look at Capirossi for example : 190 Premier Class starts for only 9 wins. Now I like Capirossi but come on he should have moved on well before now. Colin Edwards: 121 starts for 0 wins. Melandri: 116 starts for 5 wins.



Now tell me when do you think any of the below riders will score a victory:

Kalio

Espargaro

Bautista

Barbara

Simoncelli

Aoyama

Edwards

Capirossi

Melandri



That list is of extremely good riders! 6 of the 9 are motorcyle racing world champions, 8 of the 9 have won races at grand prix level. The best 4 riders are miles ahead, but the riders behind them are still an assortment of some of the very best riders in the world. I don't understand what you want/ expect from the motogp grid, but it seems to me like you are simply bitter that europe (particularly Spain and Italy) is the home of most of the worlds best riders, but its hardly surprising considering the money that goes into the sport, a reflection of its national popularity. We can dream that they'd have the best couple of riders from each nation on the grid, but the 3rd best Spanish rider in the world is as good or better than the best Brit so the situation we have is hardly surprising.
 
Oh, I'll dig into it... Where does he Ride? I'll follow up as I used to with Barros, past era though!
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As Frosty said he rides for blusens in moto2. He comes over from super-moto and it shows. He was blowing minds with his slides.He will contend for some wins this year.
 
That list is of extremely good riders! 6 of the 9 are motorcyle racing world champions, 8 of the 9 have won races at grand prix level. The best 4 riders are miles ahead, but the riders behind them are still an assortment of some of the very best riders in the world. I don't understand what you want/ expect from the motogp grid, but it seems to me like you are simply bitter that europe (particularly Spain and Italy) is the home of most of the worlds best riders, but its hardly surprising considering the money that goes into the sport, a reflection of its national popularity. We can dream that they'd have the best couple of riders from each nation on the grid, but the 3rd best Spanish rider in the world is as good or better than the best Brit so the situation we have is hardly surprising.



Couldn't say it any better.
 
That list is of extremely good riders! 6 of the 9 are motorcyle racing world champions, 8 of the 9 have won races at grand prix level. The best 4 riders are miles ahead, but the riders behind them are still an assortment of some of the very best riders in the world. I don't understand what you want/ expect from the motogp grid, but it seems to me like you are simply bitter that europe (particularly Spain and Italy) is the home of most of the worlds best riders, but its hardly surprising considering the money that goes into the sport, a reflection of its national popularity. We can dream that they'd have the best couple of riders from each nation on the grid, but the 3rd best Spanish rider in the world is as good or better than the best Brit so the situation we have is hardly surprising.

Spot on tom. your making it very difficult for me to disagree with you this week.
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That list is of extremely good riders! 6 of the 9 are motorcyle racing world champions, 8 of the 9 have won races at grand prix level. The best 4 riders are miles ahead, but the riders behind them are still an assortment of some of the very best riders in the world. I don't understand what you want/ expect from the motogp grid, but it seems to me like you are simply bitter that europe (particularly Spain and Italy) is the home of most of the worlds best riders, but its hardly surprising considering the money that goes into the sport, a reflection of its national popularity. We can dream that they'd have the best couple of riders from each nation on the grid, but the 3rd best Spanish rider in the world is as good or better than the best Brit so the situation we have is hardly surprising.



If 40 Spaniards and 40 Italians are recruited into GP, law of probability suggests that more of them will make it to the top level. There is nothing special about any particular nation in regards motorcycling abilities. Within a given populace there are only going to be so many world championship types so it's actually better to toss the Spanish and Italian deadwood as quickly as possible and replace them with kids from other continents.



Dorna understand the problem and Suppo has gone on record as saying that the concentration of Spaniards and Italians is bad for the overall health of the competition and the profitability of the sport. Moto2 was designed to widen Dorna's net by introducing a GP class at the national level in North America, Asia, Australia, and South America. Moto2 bikes will make national riders more familiar with GP equipment and it will make their performance more easily understood by GP scouts. Considering the difficulties of running 1000cc engines at most national circuits, it would be wise for Dorna to make another Moto2-like class using 750cc displacement, imo. It might actually replace SBKs in some of the nations that have safety issues.
 
I'll put it out there and say that Simoncelli never gets a factory ride in MotoGP. After a few years on satellite machinery he defects to WSBK and fills the hole that Biaggi leaves at Aprillia when he retires.

Actually, Marco is currently contracted to HRC Japan, and unlike Elias last year who was astride a factory cast off, is on paper commanding a full Factory ride. Granted, the level of factory support afforded to Gresini in the days of Kato and subsequently Gibernau is substantially depleted, and the bespoke developmental parts adorning the Repsol Hondas take their time to filter down, (an entire season
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Moody has mentioned thae fact that Colin Stoner was there at Jerez, indicates deals are being looked at.

Completely, and this is a very significant point. Colin Stoner is actually rarely in evidence in the paddock, and when he is, there is invariably business to attend to on behalf of his son. Although he was openly in talks with Livio Suppo, this could very feasibly be a strong bargaining tool with Cicognani, with whom most of the weekends deliberations were purportedly spent with.
 
I don't think he'll go anywhere until he learns how to keep the front end stuck to the Tarmac and remembers how to beat his teamate......even with suppo onboard I doubt very much that hrc would be pushing for cs, jl would be their golden goose......they could end up with both!



Dovi to ducati



pedders to Yamaha



Rossi will build his own bike for a new challenge
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I don't think he'll go anywhere until he learns how to keep the front end stuck to the Tarmac and remembers how to beat his teamate......even with suppo onboard I doubt very much that hrc would be pushing for cs, jl would be their golden goose......they could end up with both!



Dovi to ducati



pedders to Yamaha



Rossi will build his own bike for a new challenge
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or ride a hybrid motocysz!!!
 
How about some more manufacturers on the grid? KTM, Aprilia, BMW, Triumph.... I know, I know, wishful thinking.
 
Even Suzuki?



Or Kawasaki if they are back?



Just to be clear TP.



If he gets a factory ride on a Vespa I will shave my head. Clear enough?



Pls bear with me for my ignorance, but when did 500cc or MotoGP di have 10 - 15 alien sort of riders competing in a single season???

Its always been like this.



Depth...understand the meaning. Go back to 2005-06. How many riders had the potential to win a race? How many this year. Put it this way. Lets have a bet, I bet that none of those riders I listed wins a race in the next 2 years. Now you bet that at least one of them will. How much do you want to put on it.





If 40 Spaniards and 40 Italians are recruited into GP, law of probability suggests that more of them will make it to the top level. There is nothing special about any particular nation in regards motorcycling abilities. Within a given populace there are only going to be so many world championship types so it's actually better to toss the Spanish and Italian deadwood as quickly as possible and replace them with kids from other continents.



Dorna understand the problem and Suppo has gone on record as saying that the concentration of Spaniards and Italians is bad for the overall health of the competition and the profitability of the sport. Moto2 was designed to widen Dorna's net by introducing a GP class at the national level in North America, Asia, Australia, and South America. Moto2 bikes will make national riders more familiar with GP equipment and it will make their performance more easily understood by GP scouts. Considering the difficulties of running 1000cc engines at most national circuits, it would be wise for Dorna to make another Moto2-like class using 750cc displacement, imo. It might actually replace SBKs in some of the nations that have safety issues.



Well said Lex. Amazed that people believe that the riders that are there are the only ones that could be good enough to be there and don't understand that the riders that come out the end of the pipeline are the ones that are put in the top of it. Not to difficult to understand if you put a wider selection in at the top you probably wont end up with 10 riders from 2 countries.
 
^That's obvious. I hope lex is right and the Moto 2 change helps this matter to get more talented riders in to the mix out of more nations. Just noticed that there is only one scandinavian rider besides Kallio in the GP classes, Sturla Fagerhaut in 125cc.. I gotta say that it's quite lucky that the only Finn to enter 125cc world championship in the 2000s actually gets to the top class.
 

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