stoner not happy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Feb 26 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner's seems to be inconsistent about reasons for complaints.. Is it because the Japanese are trying to make his bike slower? Or is it becuase he is not being given enought credit? It last year's result was becuase of his skill, why is he concerned about the any possible changes in regulation? All this whining, while he is still the champion. If he startes losing this season, I predict that he will become another Max Biaggi.
Like mick doohan he only whinges when he is winning . I agree there is some inconsistency in what he says, but I think he identifies closely with ducati and does not always differentiate between him and them when he makes these statements.

In any case ducati have a pretty good record in producing fast bikes, the last iteration of the their 990 bike being a case in point. They may be confident in their ability to continue to compete technically if they are not specifically nobbled in areas where they have an advantage. In world superbikes, apart from the fact they could have made the desmosedici rr their weapon, they have not asked for any restriction on the 4s and honda et al are free to make 1200 v-twins if they so desire.

Surely honda are immensely hypocritical in calling for these rule changes (if it is true they have) when they are apparently the architects of the 800 formula which has proven more expensive and already cost motogp some competitors on the grid. The thing that will drive costs up the most and work the most to honda's advantage is changing the formula all the time.

Calm down guys and read the article more closely.

As I said in the last thread about this "proposal" this is only being reported in autosport, and autosport is only one step up from the comic in terms of decent reportage.

Apparently Dorna is in consultation with the teams/manufacturers at the moment to look for ways to maintain the spectacle that is Motogp without sending the costs soaring. I'd imagine that this proposal was leaked, probably without any numbers, autosport have decided that 19000 should provoke some good reactions and gone to poke Preziosi and Stoner into making good copy.

With this report, certainly not all Stoner's quotes come from an interview they had with him, rather from an interview he did with The Times.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"It's been frustrating because everyone said my results were down to other things," he said in an interview with the Times. "It was traction control or the tyres or the bike. It pissed me off."
That answer was almost certainly driven by a question about something utterly different than rev limits as The Times are not carrying a story about this proposal. It also brings into question where the other quotes came from. If they did interview him about this why would they need to introduce comments from another un-related interview with someone else?

As far as what he said about Rossi :
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"At the beginning of last season it was fantastic and he was giving credit, it was a real good time," Stoner said. "By the end of the season he never spoke to me. He did not like the fact that I was able to come in and win."
I'd imagine that those two sentences were culled from Stoner's actually explanation of the changing face of their relationship in order to make good copy. I cannot believe that Stoner is so whiny as to say "he won't speak to me anymore" whilst knowing that Rossi's plate was well and truly full from mid season with the tax thing, with trying to get B'stone tyres, with trying to kick Yamaha up the arse and even with trying to win races.

Remember that this is the publication that brought you the Stoner fears Pedrosa more than Rossi story with it's associated spin. In that one they also quoted Stoner's reply to another publication, this time Gazzetta del Sport (well known for being a gossip rag) as though it was a statement rather than more likely being only part of the answer to a leading question. They ended that particular "masterpiece" with the following :
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Stoner made similar remarks about Rossi earlier this year but the Italian has largely resisted the temptation to take the bait and start a war of words.
So, I believe that autosport are quoting out of context in order to try to get a reaction from Rossi, or from either Rossi or Stoner fans. They are desperate to promote a "war" between two of the main protagonists as that sells magazines. The same has been done in Boremula1 in the past - apparently journos think there's nothing like a good rivalry, probably 'cos they have no actual understanding of the sport.

From the way some people are responding, I'd say that so far autosport are doing a good job.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Feb 27 2008, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe that autosport are quoting out of context in order to try to get a reaction from Rossi, or from either Rossi or Stoner fans. They are desperate to promote a "war" between two of the main protagonists as that sells magazines. The same has been done in Boremula1 in the past - apparently journos think there's nothing like a good rivalry, probably 'cos they have no actual understanding of the sport.

From the way some people are responding, I'd say that so far autosport are doing a good job.
I think you are correct, they have cut together things from different interviews.

We really need the season to start.

Well lets hope it has got Stoner rilied up again cos thet guy goes on a mission when he gets a "bee in his bonnet" .... I was wondering if he was going to keep up the momentum after such a huge season laast year .... whether he would get complacent .... but if he can be motivated by such public belittling. Like I said check out Donnington ... he was on a mission .... thanks to to Rossi fans at the riders for health auction

I think its the only way he knows of getting his own back. So if he is feeling some disrespect still maybe he'll still be on a mission for 08 ..... looking good.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 27 2008, 08:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>same could be said if your boy went from lcr to repsol...childish un fact full response, pure speculation


Absolute bollocks and you know it.
The Japanese manufacturers only need to stop bitching and build a better bike.
It's as plain as the nose on your face that they want to bring Ducati and perhaps Kawasaki as they are experimenting with a screamer engine, back down to their level of comfort rather than push harder to build a championship winning bike.
If they do and build one faster than Ducati, then they will be champions and have nothing to ..... about. Hence the status quo can be returned and babies all around the world can again feel safe when the bath water is emptied.

"It's been frustrating because everyone said my results were down to other things," he said in an interview with the Times. "It was traction control or the tyres or the bike. It pissed me off.

Sometimes its so obvious when they stop a sentence half way by not finishing it with a (")


"Despite what anyone else thinks, we were struggling for bottom-end acceleration last season," he explained. "We've changed the chassis so that the bike's easier to ride coming out of turns. I'm not expecting to win the title but I'm working hard."

So he states that they were struggling...so where does that put the other manufactures if they obviously had a speed deficit.

....... media suck. Autosport is turning into a mototabloid. This story doesn't deserve any reaction, it reads like a four interviews piled into one little summary.

1. I won fair and square get the .... over it, so ....... stop asking me about Rossi.
2. Rossi doesn't speak to me anymore and I really don't give a .... so stop asking me whether Rossi and I will battle for the title, whether Rossi on Bridgestones will change the championship, whether Ducati is going to have a huge advantage over Rossi.
3. Honda will do whatever it takes to win. They will hire whomever they think will deliver them wins. Loyalty is a four letter word with these guys.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Feb 27 2008, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Calm down guys and read the article more closely.

As I said in the last thread about this "proposal" this is only being reported in autosport, and autosport is only one step up from the comic in terms of decent reportage.

Apparently Dorna is in consultation with the teams/manufacturers at the moment to look for ways to maintain the spectacle that is Motogp without sending the costs soaring. I'd imagine that this proposal was leaked, probably without any numbers, autosport have decided that 19000 should provoke some good reactions and gone to poke Preziosi and Stoner into making good copy.

With this report, certainly not all Stoner's quotes come from an interview they had with him, rather from an interview he did with The Times.

That answer was almost certainly driven by a question about something utterly different than rev limits as The Times are not carrying a story about this proposal. It also brings into question where the other quotes came from. If they did interview him about this why would they need to introduce comments from another un-related interview with someone else?

As far as what he said about Rossi :

I'd imagine that those two sentences were culled from Stoner's actually explanation of the changing face of their relationship in order to make good copy. I cannot believe that Stoner is so whiny as to say "he won't speak to me anymore" whilst knowing that Rossi's plate was well and truly full from mid season with the tax thing, with trying to get B'stone tyres, with trying to kick Yamaha up the arse and even with trying to win races.

Remember that this is the publication that brought you the Stoner fears Pedrosa more than Rossi story with it's associated spin. In that one they also quoted Stoner's reply to another publication, this time Gazzetta del Sport (well known for being a gossip rag) as though it was a statement rather than more likely being only part of the answer to a leading question. They ended that particular "masterpiece" with the following :

So, I believe that autosport are quoting out of context in order to try to get a reaction from Rossi, or from either Rossi or Stoner fans. They are desperate to promote a "war" between two of the main protagonists as that sells magazines. The same has been done in Boremula1 in the past - apparently journos think there's nothing like a good rivalry, probably 'cos they have no actual understanding of the sport.

From the way some people are responding, I'd say that so far autosport are doing a good job.


Perhaps you are right I don't know, but you make some fair points.
Is the Author the same one each time at Autosport?

he may feel annoyed about the rev limit but it annoys me when he goes on about vale not liking him...nobody cares, its a sport, you cant be friends with everyone, Stoner disrespects vale by trying to be the total opposite of him in everything.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Feb 27 2008, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he may feel annoyed about the rev limit but it annoys me when he goes on about vale not liking him...nobody cares, its a sport, you cant be friends with everyone, Stoner disrespects vale by trying to be the total opposite of him in everything.

This post gets my laugh of the day award and I have had plenty of laughs in this thread alone!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Feb 27 2008, 05:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner's seems to be inconsistent about reasons for complaints.. Is it because the Japanese are trying to make his bike slower? Or is it becuase he is not being given enough credit? If last year's result was becuase of his skill, as he claim, then why is he concerned about the possible changes in regulation? All this whining, while he is still the champion. If he startes losing this season, I predict that he will become another Max Biaggi.
You mean another Vale Rossi don't you.

thats why rossi got on so well with edwards. edwards couldnt win a race and never will.

if horhey was a shir rider like edwards, rossi would ne horheys best friend

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Feb 27 2008, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Calm down guys and read the article more closely.

As I said in the last thread about this "proposal" this is only being reported in autosport, and

It makes a lot of sense that this is all spin and quotes out of context. I couldn't understand how he could be that stupid. It does make it even more amusing though that the fanatics on the forum fail to see the huge incosistencies in that article.

Actually, I'm happy if that's so, makes it much easier to continue like and cheer for the guy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 26 2008, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're still here?

Ok, lets keep playing then...



Ok, check below for an example:


If you can't hear the sound of backpedaling, then you may want to get your ears checked. (But don't go to the same "doctor" that gave you those "glasses" prescription.)

Any more questions?

Truly a shocking comment from my side when I admitt that I don't have a clue regarding if the Ducati does have a <u>technical </u>advantage or what Yamaha and honda has concluded with and .

Ignore every time i spell out "IF ducati has a sustantial advantage". It's all there if you care to read what I write instead of what you think I write.
Surly backpedaling

Oh dear, people still hatin' on Stoner for stating the obvious

I guess things never change.

i think alot to do with the stoner hating is his stinking attitude since he took the title, when hes not at the top of the times sheets has has a face like a ripped dap and always seems off with who ever is doing the interviews,
go to motogp.com the days hes not ontop he is so misserable and its only a dam test, he thinks he is one step above everyone and no one should finish above him.
like the 2nd outing in qatar, he comes out fair play he does usually set the fastest times but he come out late did a couple of laps and thought he had it in the bag, when his time got beat he wasnt happy at all. he comes out with im the best attitude and its horrible to someone act this way after he has won a WC' ship just once, i mean look at hayden he takes it all one the chin and hes only been motogp WC once and last season he performed no so good and still smiled at the end of the day, thats a good sportsman.

i dont like the way stoner acts, ever since he become WC his head has grown to big for his body, people say he has grown up since winning but i just think he has become a spoilt brat.
i cant see his point for whinging, his bike is better than last year and its much quicker out of the corners, so what isit with this attitude ?? isit him acting just like a child or just an austrailian thing???

i dont mind the guy and hes a dam good rider, if he could drop this macho thing i could take to him alot more easily.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 2 2008, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think alot to do with the stoner hating is his stinking attitude since he took the title, when hes not at the top of the times sheets has has a face like a ripped dap and always seems off with who ever is doing the interviews,
go to motogp.com the days hes not ontop he is so misserable and its only a dam test, he thinks he is one step above everyone and no one should finish above him.
like the 2nd outing in qatar, he comes out fair play he does usually set the fastest times but he come out late did a couple of laps and thought he had it in the bag, when his time got beat he wasnt happy at all. he comes out with im the best attitude and its horrible to someone act this way after he has won a WC' ship just once, i mean look at hayden he takes it all one the chin and hes only been motogp WC once and last season he performed no so good and still smiled at the end of the day, thats a good sportsman.

i dont like the way stoner acts, ever since he become WC his head has grown to big for his body, people say he has grown up since winning but i just think he has become a spoilt brat.
i cant see his point for whinging, his bike is better than last year and its much quicker out of the corners, so what isit with this attitude ?? isit him acting just like a child or just an austrailian thing???

i dont mind the guy and hes a dam good rider, if he could drop this macho thing i could take to him alot more easily.


Well gee ..... since you put it that way I guess I will hate him too!!

I hope Casey doesn't see this post before he has to race at Qatar!! you will upset him immensly and he will lose lots of sleep about it


Furthermore .... I reckon you have burned your bridges now!! .... Stoner will never talk to you again


What a wacko post

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 2 2008, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think alot to do with the stoner hating is his stinking attitude since he took the title, when hes not at the top of the times sheets has has a face like a ripped dap and always seems off with who ever is doing the interviews,
go to motogp.com the days hes not ontop he is so misserable and its only a dam test, he thinks he is one step above everyone and no one should finish above him.
like the 2nd outing in qatar, he comes out fair play he does usually set the fastest times but he come out late did a couple of laps and thought he had it in the bag, when his time got beat he wasnt happy at all. he comes out with im the best attitude and its horrible to someone act this way after he has won a WC' ship just once, i mean look at hayden he takes it all one the chin and hes only been motogp WC once and last season he performed no so good and still smiled at the end of the day, thats a good sportsman.

i dont like the way stoner acts, ever since he become WC his head has grown to big for his body, people say he has grown up since winning but i just think he has become a spoilt brat.
i cant see his point for whinging, his bike is better than last year and its much quicker out of the corners, so what isit with this attitude ?? isit him acting just like a child or just an austrailian thing???

i dont mind the guy and hes a dam good rider, if he could drop this macho thing i could take to him alot more easily.
Just stick with "I don't like Stoner" no point trying to ........ anyone. No need to pander to anyone here.

Pretty ...... attitude for Stoner to have, Ducati must be kicking themselves for signing a guy that wants to be fastest even if its only a test. Stoner better be careful that sort of attitude may win him a few races, maybe even a championship. I think Stoner prefers to save his smiling for the top step of the podium, not a ....... camera in his pit box.

Hey Nicky smile for the cameras you just lost the world championship. Nicky smile Honda gave you a minibike to win a MotoGP WC. Nicky smile Honda still don't know what the .... they are doing. I'm sure Hayden is rolling on the floor laughing his arse off.


Whining is an Australian thing

lllllllooooooooooooooollllllll

they dont call me wacko jacko for nothing

i wasnt having a dig this time honestly............


i was just saying that alot of people dislike him cos of his attitude not because he is WC, i know he wants to win all the time which is fair but why cant he just smile if hes not at the top and take it on the chin???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 2 2008, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i was just saying that alot of people dislike him cos of his attitude not because he is WC, i know he wants to win all the time which is fair but why cant he just smile if hes not at the top and take it on the chin???

yeah and I'm saying ..... "well whoopdeedoo if you think folk don't like him" .... it means bugger all ... especially since we know who he is and what he has achieved ...... and frankly if I met folk who carried on like a clown all the time and smiled constantly .... I'd thing I was in "gagaland".

Its just the guys style ..... its about as important as what socks you have on today