on the 800's yes stoner is better. rossi has already said that stoner is the new generation and can ride the snot out of the 800's which he cant. end thread
Stoner is better than Rossi
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Tom has said it best but for those saying that only when CS gets to the 7 WC's can he be considered etc etc blah blah I ask this.
If VR ends up winning 60MGP's but Stoner goes on to win 100 but only wins 5 WC's what then?
An no, this is not a fantasy as it will not happen, just wondering how CS (or any other rider who achieves similar) will be considered then.
Garry
If VR ends up winning 60MGP's but Stoner goes on to win 100 but only wins 5 WC's what then?
An no, this is not a fantasy as it will not happen, just wondering how CS (or any other rider who achieves similar) will be considered then.
Garry
I think Stoner is the best at the moment, noone else on the grid has gelled with their bike the way he has, he has so much trust in his package which enables him to ride the arse off that thing, not to mention the huge amount of talent he has....
On the other hand, when Rossi, Lorenzo and Toseland gel with their machines i reckon it's gonna be a different story...i cant wait!
Also, in the old days Rossi would deliberatly run wide or whatever to make it a 'spectacle'
On the other hand, when Rossi, Lorenzo and Toseland gel with their machines i reckon it's gonna be a different story...i cant wait!
Also, in the old days Rossi would deliberatly run wide or whatever to make it a 'spectacle'
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 11 2008, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but in 2010, people wouls still say ,
"but stoner has 4 years on the ducati"
"give it time"
"the ducati was built around casey"
"rossi is now 33 and he is now too old"
"rossi of 2003 is better than stoner now"
im sure you prooved the ducati was not built around casey because he did no testing during the winter break of 06 due to injury, so which is it ??
rossi is 29 not 33 you moron !
"but stoner has 4 years on the ducati"
"give it time"
"the ducati was built around casey"
"rossi is now 33 and he is now too old"
"rossi of 2003 is better than stoner now"
im sure you prooved the ducati was not built around casey because he did no testing during the winter break of 06 due to injury, so which is it ??
rossi is 29 not 33 you moron !
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 12 2008, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi is 29 not 33 you moron !
Rog, I took it that Pinky was saying that is his hypothetical 2010 scenario people would say that Rossi is 33 etc etc not that he is 33 now.
Garry
Rog, I took it that Pinky was saying that is his hypothetical 2010 scenario people would say that Rossi is 33 etc etc not that he is 33 now.
Garry
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Mar 12 2008, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog, I took it that Pinky was saying that is his hypothetical 2010 scenario people would say that Rossi is 33 etc etc not that he is 33 now.
Garry
i see, he now on the what if's and hypothetical scenario's now.. geez
Garry
i see, he now on the what if's and hypothetical scenario's now.. geez
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noodlerizer @ Mar 12 2008, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For the simple fact that he can do everything that Rossi does to win races, but Stoner does not make one single mistake. His Qatar win was flawless. When Rossi was dominating he would still make a lot of mistakes i.e. he would run wide or make a braking mistake, but he was very good on correcting those mistakes, Stoner has proved himself by show talent on the rider side of things, not making mistakes. Electronics can't do much for that. I know we call pedrosa pedrobot, but Stoner is the real machine!
I'm not sure if I'm the only one thinking this, but this has got to be the 2nd biggest wind up of the week!
Noodle old son, you're a champ... not only did you manage to get everybody (including myself) to bring the knives out with your fake "spit the dummy" after Sunday's race, but now you've managed to completely turn the tables on the whole forum & get them going the other way!
I eagerly look forward to the next thread that you start...
I'm not sure if I'm the only one thinking this, but this has got to be the 2nd biggest wind up of the week!
Noodle old son, you're a champ... not only did you manage to get everybody (including myself) to bring the knives out with your fake "spit the dummy" after Sunday's race, but now you've managed to completely turn the tables on the whole forum & get them going the other way!
I eagerly look forward to the next thread that you start...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 12 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i see, he now on the what if's and hypothetical scenario's now.. geez
geeze was responding to the previos posters hypothetical of rossi riding a ducati in 2010.
geeze was responding to the previos posters hypothetical of rossi riding a ducati in 2010.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 12 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>geeze was responding to the previos posters hypothetical of rossi riding a ducati in 2010.
thats just say you have form for talking ...., so excuse me for not taking any of your posts to seriously or paying full attention when i read them. no offence but you reap what you sow.
thats just say you have form for talking ...., so excuse me for not taking any of your posts to seriously or paying full attention when i read them. no offence but you reap what you sow.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 12 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats just say you have form for talking ...., so excuse me for not taking any of your posts to seriously or paying full attention when i read them. no offence but you reap what you sow.
Aaaahhhh yes
Aaaahhhh yes
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Mar 12 2008, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is a great rider and seems to be unbeatable at the moment. The combination of Stoner and the Ducati go together exceptionally well. Having said that to compare rider talent one must compare the totality of their respective careers. When Stoner gets to 7 world championships then you can start the Stoner is better that Rossi discussion, until then it makes no sense.
Agree.
Can't compare until the curtain has gone down on both of them.And even then it would make little sense. Rossi rode in the 500 era, went through the whole 1000 era and is now racing in the 800 era. Stoner's just a completely different generation. Comparisons may be made on how they perform career-wise with respect to their peers, but comparing them to one another will still be tough.
Agree.
Can't compare until the curtain has gone down on both of them.And even then it would make little sense. Rossi rode in the 500 era, went through the whole 1000 era and is now racing in the 800 era. Stoner's just a completely different generation. Comparisons may be made on how they perform career-wise with respect to their peers, but comparing them to one another will still be tough.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 12 2008, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>on the 800's yes stoner is better. rossi has already said that stoner is the new generation and can ride the snot out of the 800's which he cant. end thread
Whoaaa...wait mate....
Stoner in on the fastest bike on the grid. If he can win on "the not-so-hopeless bike on the grid", then he is better (or at least equal) than Rossi.
By the way, Rossi said that Stoner is performed well with 800 and TC. TC..you what I mean... TC is helping Stoner a lot...
Whoaaa...wait mate....
Stoner in on the fastest bike on the grid. If he can win on "the not-so-hopeless bike on the grid", then he is better (or at least equal) than Rossi.
By the way, Rossi said that Stoner is performed well with 800 and TC. TC..you what I mean... TC is helping Stoner a lot...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Mar 12 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whoaaa...wait mate....
Stoner in on the fastest bike on the grid. If he can win on "the not-so-hopeless bike on the grid", then he is better (or at least equal) than Rossi.
By the way, Rossi said that Stoner is performed well with 800 and TC. TC..you what I mean... TC is helping Stoner a lot...
Oh dear.
Marco Melandri has the fastest bike by some way in the Qatar grand prix, where did he, Elias and Guintoli finish?
And looking at the sheets, the Yamaha is CURRENTLY the best bike on the grid.
Stoner in on the fastest bike on the grid. If he can win on "the not-so-hopeless bike on the grid", then he is better (or at least equal) than Rossi.
By the way, Rossi said that Stoner is performed well with 800 and TC. TC..you what I mean... TC is helping Stoner a lot...
Oh dear.
Marco Melandri has the fastest bike by some way in the Qatar grand prix, where did he, Elias and Guintoli finish?
And looking at the sheets, the Yamaha is CURRENTLY the best bike on the grid.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Mar 12 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh dear.
Marco Melandri has the fastest bike by some way in the Qatar grand prix, where did he, Elias and Guintoli finish?
And looking at the sheets, the Yamaha is CURRENTLY the best bike on the grid.
i have to dissagree its the new yamha riders, 2 new riders who are very good is why the yam looks like the best bike (with a good rider) and why its at top of the sheets, i think you will find the ducati is the best machine and "still" also the fastest in the top speed, yamha maybe the 2nd best bike id say on par with the honda but im expecting the honda to take the 2nd spot when they roll out the pneumatic engine.
Marco Melandri has the fastest bike by some way in the Qatar grand prix, where did he, Elias and Guintoli finish?
And looking at the sheets, the Yamaha is CURRENTLY the best bike on the grid.
i have to dissagree its the new yamha riders, 2 new riders who are very good is why the yam looks like the best bike (with a good rider) and why its at top of the sheets, i think you will find the ducati is the best machine and "still" also the fastest in the top speed, yamha maybe the 2nd best bike id say on par with the honda but im expecting the honda to take the 2nd spot when they roll out the pneumatic engine.
The threads appear to be drifting off topic, but what the heck..
Yamaha has done a decent job of improving their bike. I think 2008 version of Honda is till better than the Yamaha, but is difficult to setup. Ducati seems to be working well -- again only for Stoner. But it looks far from being as stable as the Yamaha, or Stoner just has the ability to push the bike more to the edge without crashing.
Rossi has more tricks up his sleeve than Stoner. On any give day if he is in neck in neck with another rider, the odds are Rossi will pull it off. (I am a littl suprised that Dovizioso beat him) Stoner strategy is to rush to the front and stay there. I must admit, that makes the race boring.
Yamaha has done a decent job of improving their bike. I think 2008 version of Honda is till better than the Yamaha, but is difficult to setup. Ducati seems to be working well -- again only for Stoner. But it looks far from being as stable as the Yamaha, or Stoner just has the ability to push the bike more to the edge without crashing.
Rossi has more tricks up his sleeve than Stoner. On any give day if he is in neck in neck with another rider, the odds are Rossi will pull it off. (I am a littl suprised that Dovizioso beat him) Stoner strategy is to rush to the front and stay there. I must admit, that makes the race boring.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Mar 12 2008, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The threads appear to be drifting off topic, but what the heck..
Yamaha has done a decent job of improving their bike. I think 2008 version of Honda is till better than the Yamaha, but is difficult to setup. Ducati seems to be working well -- again only for Stoner. But it looks far from being as stable as the Yamaha, or Stoner just has the ability to push the bike more to the edge without crashing.
Rossi has more tricks up his sleeve than Stoner. On any give day if he is in neck in neck with another rider, the odds are Rossi will pull it off. (I am a littl suprised that Dovizioso beat him) Stoner strategy is to rush to the front and stay there. I must admit, that makes the race boring.
this mabe the reason rossi struggled to fend off dovi. lap 8 i believe. picture sent to me by a forum member who i wont name because it will only bring on the usual insults by the usual deniers ( im talking about you jumkie)
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...076.htm?lang=en
Yamaha has done a decent job of improving their bike. I think 2008 version of Honda is till better than the Yamaha, but is difficult to setup. Ducati seems to be working well -- again only for Stoner. But it looks far from being as stable as the Yamaha, or Stoner just has the ability to push the bike more to the edge without crashing.
Rossi has more tricks up his sleeve than Stoner. On any give day if he is in neck in neck with another rider, the odds are Rossi will pull it off. (I am a littl suprised that Dovizioso beat him) Stoner strategy is to rush to the front and stay there. I must admit, that makes the race boring.
this mabe the reason rossi struggled to fend off dovi. lap 8 i believe. picture sent to me by a forum member who i wont name because it will only bring on the usual insults by the usual deniers ( im talking about you jumkie)
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...076.htm?lang=en
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 12 2008, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>this mabe the reason rossi struggled to fend off dovi. lap 8 i believe. picture sent to me by a forum member who i wont name because it will only bring on the usual insults by the usual deniers ( im talking about you jumkie)
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...076.htm?lang=en
That's a chewed up rear!
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...076.htm?lang=en
That's a chewed up rear!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 12 2008, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>this mabe the reason rossi struggled to fend off dovi. lap 8 i believe. picture sent to me by a forum member who i wont name because it will only bring on the usual insults by the usual deniers ( im talking about you jumkie)
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...076.htm?lang=en
So Babel is now photoshoping pics to prove his point? Haha. (jk)
Oh my lord, it a tire failure, the tire is shredding, its coming apart, its disintegrating! I was wondering how long it would take before we called on the “tire card.”
Let me ask you something my dear friend (I suppose you can pass on this question to the mystery person who sent you this picture), have there been any reports by Rossi or the team indicating that there was a tire performance issue? (Read my question very closely before you answer).
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...076.htm?lang=en
So Babel is now photoshoping pics to prove his point? Haha. (jk)
Oh my lord, it a tire failure, the tire is shredding, its coming apart, its disintegrating! I was wondering how long it would take before we called on the “tire card.”
Let me ask you something my dear friend (I suppose you can pass on this question to the mystery person who sent you this picture), have there been any reports by Rossi or the team indicating that there was a tire performance issue? (Read my question very closely before you answer).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 12 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So Babel is now photoshoping pics to prove his point? Haha. (jk)
Oh my lord, it a tire failure, the tire is shredding, its coming apart, its disintegrating! I was wondering how long it would take before we called on the “tire card.”
Let me ask you something my dear friend (I suppose you can pass on this question to the mystery person who sent you this picture), have there been any reports by Rossi or the team indicating that there was a tire performance issue? (Read my question very closely before you answer).
I think that its just the way that the light is hitting the tire, making it look shredded.
Seriously I didn't think about your question too long but what popped straight into my head was, "Why would there be". That would have made the biggest headlines of all, Rossi blames Bridgestones for lack of performance at Qatar
He might as well punch himself in the nutts. So it leads all the conspiracy theorists, with what they believe they saw, to speculating on why Rossi only got a p5. Hell I can only go off what he said right, lack of set up...of course I would like to jump on the bandwagon (I can't remember if I did or didn't) and believe that Hayden is getting his butt poked too, but that would just be hypocritical then wouldn't it
Oh my lord, it a tire failure, the tire is shredding, its coming apart, its disintegrating! I was wondering how long it would take before we called on the “tire card.”
Let me ask you something my dear friend (I suppose you can pass on this question to the mystery person who sent you this picture), have there been any reports by Rossi or the team indicating that there was a tire performance issue? (Read my question very closely before you answer).
I think that its just the way that the light is hitting the tire, making it look shredded.
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yes it is a chewed up tire, lol @ its the light, look again...
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...076.htm?lang=en
and stoner tire?? same corner but still the light?
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...102.htm?lang=en
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...116.htm?lang=en
and again at the end...good tyre
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...066.htm?lang=en
cant see the difference then?
jumkie: rossi wouldnt come out and say the tyre went that would make him look like he is lying.....
so i suppose when he said:
"In the first laps we go well, but then the bike starts moving a lot"
" but I'm slow around the corners and I struggle"
"it happened in the warm-up already, when I have so much grip at the beginning, I know I have to pay for it a bit later. We changed the tyre compared to this morning, but the problems remained the same"
nothing to do with grip then?
lets get to jerez and see what happens???
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...076.htm?lang=en
and stoner tire?? same corner but still the light?
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...102.htm?lang=en
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...116.htm?lang=en
and again at the end...good tyre
http://images.motogp.com/en/motogp/popup_1...066.htm?lang=en
cant see the difference then?
jumkie: rossi wouldnt come out and say the tyre went that would make him look like he is lying.....
so i suppose when he said:
"In the first laps we go well, but then the bike starts moving a lot"
" but I'm slow around the corners and I struggle"
"it happened in the warm-up already, when I have so much grip at the beginning, I know I have to pay for it a bit later. We changed the tyre compared to this morning, but the problems remained the same"
nothing to do with grip then?
lets get to jerez and see what happens???
