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Spies will beat Edwards and Tose at Valencia

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick.. Rossi.. 46 No1... :) @ Oct 31 2009, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The point been, Spies will do no better than JT in Moto GP, you wait and see.
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Hmmm... Statistically one could say that those who come from AMA (like Hayden) do better in GP than Euro superbike riders. I also think that both Hayden and Spies have experience riding 250-GP bikes.... right?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick.. Rossi.. 46 No1... :) @ Oct 31 2009, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The point been, Spies will do no better than JT in Moto GP, you wait and see.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 8 2009, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hmmm... Statistically one could say that those who come from AMA (like Hayden) do better in GP than Euro superbike riders. I also think that both Hayden and Spies have experience riding 250-GP bikes.... right?
I read somewhere that Spies spent a bunch of time on 250s before he signed for Attack Suzuki, something like six years. Remember the footage in Faster of Hopkins winning an Aprilia Cup race? Apparently Spies and Hopkins had a few battles in the series. I think Hayden spent a little time on 125s but not much. I could be wrong about both, just going off what I remember reading.
 
Calm down guys its still early stages yet, maybe you should look at how Toseland first went in GP before you all let loose, and that was with Stoner in the race!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Oct 27 2009, 03:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There's not question that it's within the realm of possibilities. If we assume that the top four will continue to be the top four that puts some fairly strong talent behind Spies. I don't think he's capable YET of beating Edwards on his own equipment. I also think Hayden will have a reasonable showing.

That puts Ben at 7th
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I really thought Kallio would do better. He faded badly along with Dovi. I'm not so sure what's going on with Dovi. He has thus far not shown any of the promise so many thought he would.

I'm really trying to like Ben. I'm not there yet but I thought his post race interview was fairly honest and classy. We'll see. His mid race pace much better than I expected.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Nov 8 2009, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Calm down guys its still early stages yet, maybe you should look at how Toseland first went in GP before you all let loose, and that was with Stoner in the race!!
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It's so much more than just where Toes and 'Bows finished in their MGP debuts.
JT had been racing the international circuit since '95. And came to his first race
at Qatar rested from the off-season.

Conversely - this is just now the end of Ben Spies' first year in Europe and he's
trounced a mess of riders with decades of experience in Europe - in his first race
only weeks after finishing a record-breaking season in WSBK.
And at no time did he look like he was anywhere near the edge at Valencia.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 9 2009, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And at no time did he look like he was anywhere near the edge at Valencia.

Well lets hope he does early next year
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I like to see the riders who are giving it a go, not just playing it safe out there.
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It will be that bit that takes him to the edge that decides whether he is running around with the midpack 30 seconds back, or up with the top 4 guys.
 
Even though Spies finished right about where i thought he would, i wasnt overly impressed until i looked at the analysis of the race. Except for the aliens in the top 3 posistions, Spies was faster over the last 5th od the race than Edwards,Hayden Elias and of course Dovi. Spies also ran his fastest lap, a 134.050 on the last lap of the race.It will be interesting to see if he moves past those guys into 5th fastest by the time testing ends this week.Anyway,nice solid ride,didnt piss anyone off,acted like a proffesional and brought the bike home in one piece with a solid finish.
 
Spies doing ok on a sattelite M1 giving that this is a 125 n 250 cc track. Unfortunately JT was having difficulties to adjust to GP bike within 2 years time and unlike Edward in his early year in GP (2003,2004, 2005, 2006, 2007), there was not many riders to ride in GP..Even some ave dudes could get rides in Pramac Ducati, Sattelite Yamaha, KR and WCM teams...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 8 2009, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hmmm... Statistically one could say that those who come from AMA (like Hayden) do better in GP than Euro superbike riders. I also think that both Hayden and Spies have experience riding 250-GP bikes.... right?

It'd be factually correct but not a significant statistic with such a small sample size. It seems that very few riders make it from AMA (which i think tells us something about the series) but the ones who do make it tend to do quite well (which tells us something about the individuals). hopefully the new moto2 rules will encourage more riders over from the US into GP racing
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 9 2009, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It'd be factually correct but not a significant statistic with such a small sample size. It seems that very few riders make it from AMA (which i think tells us something about the series) but the ones who do make it tend to do quite well (which tells us something about the individuals). hopefully the new moto2 rules will encourage more riders over from the US into GP racing

Oh... like you mean like

Roberts
Spencer
Lawson
Rainey
Koscinsky
Schwantz
Roberts Jr.
Hayden ????

Yeah, they did okay coming from a rinky-dink, hillbilly series like the AMA.
Just not good enough to be a "significant statistic".
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 9 2009, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh... like you mean like

Roberts
Spencer
Lawson
Rainey
Koscinsky
Schwantz
Roberts Jr.
Hayden ????

Yeah, they did okay coming from a rinky-dink, hillbilly series like the AMA.
Just not good enough to be a "significant statistic".
That is an impressive list BUT,when you consider the series has been running for 60 years,its not a long list. We dont send many,but the ones we do send seem to do very well. I do believe Moto 2 will help riders from the US get their foot in the door. I am suprised that i have not heard Josh Herrins name in conversation for Moto2.Another is RL Hayden,the kid is magic on a 600 but the Superbike beat his ... to death.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 9 2009, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh... like you mean like

Roberts
Spencer
Lawson
Rainey
Koscinsky
Schwantz
Roberts Jr.
Hayden ????

Yeah, they did okay coming from a rinky-dink, hillbilly series like the AMA.
Just not good enough to be a "significant statistic".
Don't forget Edwards, he rode AMA 250 and AMA Superbike before heading off to WSBK.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Nov 9 2009, 07:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is an impressive list BUT,when you consider the series has been running for 60 years,its not a long list. We dont send many,but the ones we do send seem to do very well. I do believe Moto 2 will help riders from the US get their foot in the door. I am suprised that i have not heard Josh Herrins name in conversation for Moto2.Another is RL Hayden,the kid is magic on a 600 but the Superbike beat his ... to death.
I would think Tommy Hayden would be a more in demand Moto2 rider than Roger Lee. I'd love to see what Tommy and Hacking could do in WSS or Moto2. Too bad they're both the wrong side of 30.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 9 2009, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It'd be factually correct but not a significant statistic with such a small sample size. It seems that very few riders make it from AMA (which i think tells us something about the series) Yeah, they make a .... of a lot more money racing their "rinky dink" AMA series and ......' don't need to play with the ......' dummy-spittin' children in European 125 & 250 series but the ones who do make it tend to do quite well (which tells us something about the individuals) Yeah, they got balls bigger than your head, Thomas. hopefully the new moto2 rules will encourage more riders over from the US into GP racing
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I wonder how much more of a bonus Edwards got for his 5th placing on the champion season than he would have if he was to finished in 6th instead. Must be alot because in the post race interview it felt like he wanted to turn Ben around, bend him over and nail him from behind.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 9 2009, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh... like you mean like

Roberts
Spencer
Lawson
Rainey
Koscinsky
Schwantz
Roberts Jr.
Hayden ????

Yeah, they did okay coming from a rinky-dink, hillbilly series like the AMA.
Just not good enough to be a "significant statistic".

Like povol said, impressive list, but you cannot compare two series over a period of time where one of them did not exist.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 9 2009, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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What point are you trying to make? You have changed my quote to something i didn't say and then laughed at yourself.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 9 2009, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Like povol said, impressive list, but you cannot compare two series over a period of time where one of them did not exist.
What exactly are you comparing the AMA to, Tom?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 9 2009, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What exactly are you comparing the AMA to, Tom?

The euro superbike riders that Jarno was alluding to earlier. i.e. the guys racing in the eurpe based world championship
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 9 2009, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The euro superbike riders that Jarno was alluding to earlier. i.e. the guys racing in the eurpe based world championship
Maybe I'm reading this differently from you or anyone else in here, but there is no comparison between WSBK and AMA. The AMA is essentially a proving ground for potential world championship riders, WSBK is a world championship. For nearly every rider in the AMA, the goal is to go to WSBK or MotoGP. MotoGP isn't necessarily the goal for every WSBK rider.

The AMA has produced some great riders, but I don't think you can directly compare it to WSBK. Just my opinion.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 9 2009, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe I'm reading this differently from you or anyone else in here, but there is no comparison between WSBK and AMA. The AMA is essentially a proving ground for potential world championship riders, WSBK is a world championship. For nearly every rider in the AMA, the goal is to go to WSBK or MotoGP. MotoGP isn't necessarily the goal for every WSBK rider.

The AMA has produced some great riders, but I don't think you can directly compare it to WSBK. Just my opinion.

I see your point, but in this instance we are looking at AMA's best superbike riders compared to the best opperating in europe. The best superbike riders in europe are found in the world championship.
 

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