So Rossi's Bike is better??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 23 2009, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even he is in on the Stoner dissing.

Great read Sacky . Jorge is a constant professional with a great attitude and fantastic work ethic. This guy went from zero to hero in my book in a matter of a couple weeks. As for if Rossi's bike is better than his or not? Short answer probably. But Rossi (& Burgess) have been around long enough to know exactly what he wants. If parts are made one off of course he is going to get them, Rossi is the number one rider.

Stoner bashing? It's amazing that you can read plain English and still manage to read what you want, to create your own message from thin air......................

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 23 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder what the "parts" Rossi gets that Jorge doesn't get are?

Adrianna's?


Seriously tho . . . parts Rossi may not be sharing with
Lorenzo could well be inconsequential due to the difference
in setup style.

Totally agree with you.

Even when there isn't clearly 1st development rider, the bikes would be different, cos there many options for any part. If you watch F1, last year you can see that Kimi did not use shark engine cover in Spa, but Massa did.

And one more thing, given a new part, rider must make decision: use it or not. In the development process, without testing, using new part is a gamble. A couple of years ago, Edward said that Rossi always tried the craziest things. Rossi is the best in term of development, absolutely he has a clearer idea about the new parts he develops for team.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 23 2009, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I sincerely doubt Casey gets parts Hayden doesn't have access to. Whether they get used is another story. Nicky actually had the 'totally rebuilt' bike before Casey and was in constant dialogue with Vito G. Casey then moved forward with some of the geometry changes Hayden made.

Valentino probably gets HARD PARTS before Jorge. Actually, last year Maso F said this. At the first post 2008 test, Lorenzo had an 'evoloution' M1 while Rossi was on a new one. The guy taking the lead in devo work will always get the parts first. The fact that Jorge even knows Vale has some different parts is a testament to Yamaha's openess with it's development process.

None of these 'missing' updates will be electronic, because data is easily shareable. It's just a matter of part making design and feasabilty.

Sometimes new parts don't even help with lap time. Riders need to be comfortable and turn those times as easily as possible. Casey is a great example of a guy who will ride around problems at the same pace with different parts (see carbon vs aluminum swingarm)

Come on… When Hayden was getting parts ‘first’ over Pedrosa at Honda, it all was complaining about having to try those new parts, not from Hayden but a lot of fans (no personal attack Jumkie). And Pedrosa used to chose not to try them even been (Repsol) Honda’s prodigy… Give me a break.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 23 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't see how there is any other way to interpret this. He says Rossi has parts that they still haven't been able to get. Obviously this implies that they would like the parts but they aren't being provided.

This has to weigh in on Jorge's decision on whether to move to Honda or not.

These guys works with a wall between them, right.
Racers are notoriously ego centered and with it comes suspisions. As Yamaha have that wall some uncertainty and suspision will arise from the JLo camp.
It's only for those who know they get the best parts, the most attention and so on to be relaxed about parts. For Jorge to suspect a difference it's enough that they install a longer height adjustment to Rossi's bike because he need it for his particular setup and Jorge doesn't need it.
It could be as simple as that. At the same time it's obvious that Rossi has a better connection to the factory. Anything less would be a real sensation.

And yes you are right. As long as Rossi is around he will be the one who test the parts first if they are complex or hard to evaluate, and that does worries JLo quite a lot.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 23 2009, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah ha, it begins! First salvo from the Mindless Cheerleaders.

Start date: 23 July 2009.



That's Mindless Labeling, but if it makes you feel better feel free...

I am just not convinced about Lorenzo's PR smoothness--period. The little guy plays sincere country boy but he's full of BS to the brim think of the Lorenzo's Land flags...

Call it personal dislike if you want.

Give me Stoner back.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 24 2009, 07:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's Mindless Labeling, but if it makes you feel better feel free...

I am just not convinced about Lorenzo's PR smoothness--period. The little guy plays sincere country boy but he's full of BS to the brim think of the Lorenzo's Land flags...

Call it personal dislike if you want.

Give me Stoner back.

I wouldn't go that far, but both of them are doing a great job for Dorna-in the press and on the track, I certainly will be suffering from LCD burn on Sunday.....

'I am foremost an entertainer!' B-Eccelstein

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 23 2009, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even he is in on the Stoner dissing.

Great read Sacky . Jorge is a constant professional with a great attitude and fantastic work ethic. This guy went from zero to hero in my book in a matter of a couple weeks. As for if Rossi's bike is better than his or not? Short answer probably. But Rossi (& Burgess) have been around long enough to know exactly what he wants. If parts are made one off of course he is going to get them, Rossi is the number one rider.
exactly right plus Lorenzo said "But I have a winning bike and I am happy with this". Nuff said !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 24 2009, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You Rossi fanatics aren't gonna get away from this that easily. Rossi fans, respond to what your arrogant idol had to say about Lorenzo.... is it in good taste or not? Don't try to change the subject and sweep it under the rug. Notices how he talks about himself in 3rd person... that's a sign of fear, clearly Lorenzo is getting inside his head.

there goes our resident psychologist again

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 24 2009, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>there goes our resident psychologist again
yeah and pays no mind to the fact rossi's first language is italian not english.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 24 2009, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah and pays no mind to the fact rossi's first language is italian not english.

i would have commented on it last night, then i'd probably would have said there's nothing wrong with the way he constructed his sentences. Use of the third person to refer to yourself is not common,but it is still acceptable especially in the context that Vale was using it: he was telling a story/narrating an event.

In that context Vale, the person being interviewed, assumes the role of the narrator. He goes on to tell that this character, Valentino Rossi has been with the company for 5 years and so this character, Jorge, could not just assume that 2 years into the company, he could be as important as Valentino. Or something to that effect.

which doesn't necessarily mean that vale is psychologically being affected by jorge's arrival and consequent triumphs with the M1

But the mindless rossi haters would just tell me, "you're a mindless rossi cheerleader"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 23 2009, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think he would get treated alot worse there look what happend to hayden....

anyway stoner prob gets parts before nicky dont here you bitching about that??

at end of day we dont really know what goes on behind the garage doors

this arguing is all nonsense i mean wtf guys in 17 hours motogp......


But Jaz, there have been a lot of subtle negative inferences reagrding alleged preferential treatment CS has received through 2007/9 and into 2009 because he 'may' be getting parts that are at that point unavailable to the team-mate.

To me, as a team #1 VR will get first choice and access to parts that may not be available for his team-mate. That is the benefit of being the #1 and is not (well IMO here) a sign of favouritism nore is it an attampt to (in this case) destroy JL's year. .... happens as they say.







Garry

he wont do .... on the Honda...better to wait out till Rossi retires and be left with a bike developed by GOD..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 23 2009, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah and pays no mind to the fact rossi's first language is italian not english.


Stop denying it. It's clear as day that Lorenzo is getting into Rossi's head given Rossi's response in 3rd person. And as we all know those who talk in 3rd person tends to be someone who is insecure, or someone who feels threaten, whatever the case... it's one in the same. Never before have Rossi even uttered something such as this !!!!!!!!! You crazy Rossi fanatics know it.... and we all know it, so please enough with trying to defend your hero, because really Rossi is scared shitless of Jorge Lorenzo.... and that my delusional Rossi fans is the truth, there's just no denying it.

Rossi has different parts to Lorenzo because each of thier Engineers would ask for different parts.

Next year Lorenzo will be with the "brand that wants me more" and that wont be Yamaha...its all about love for Jorge.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jul 23 2009, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Valentino probably gets HARD PARTS before Jorge. Actually, last year Maso F said this. At the first post 2008 test, Lorenzo had an 'evoloution' M1 while Rossi was on a new one. The guy taking the lead in devo work will always get the parts first. The fact that Jorge even knows Vale has some different parts is a testament to Yamaha's openess with it's development process.

Think this is a good point. I think we all know that no one in the paddock can help develop a bike like Vale. This inevitably means that the newest parts should go to the bloke assisting the development to see if they are of benefit.

You would like to think that once the component has proved to be beneficial, the team would implement this change in equipment across each rider.

Perhaps they don't. I don't know !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Jul 23 2009, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi has different parts to Lorenzo because each of thier Engineers would ask for different parts.

Next year Lorenzo will be with the "brand that wants me more" and that wont be Yamaha...its all about love for Jorge.
If by "love" you mean: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Willski @ Jul 24 2009, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Think this is a good point. I think we all know that no one in the paddock can help develop a bike like Vale. This inevitably means that the newest parts should go to the bloke assisting the development to see if they are of benefit.

You would like to think that once the component has proved to be beneficial, the team would implement this change in equipment across each rider.

Perhaps they don't. I don't know !


How do we all know as you put it?

Yes, we can assume or base many assumptions on logic - but how can we know?

I mean, if VR is the absolute best in terms of development and without peer, why is CE often said to have played a major part in the Yamaha with his developmental capabilities?

Whay are rumours flying that should JL go to Honda that CE will be back to FIAT because of those developmental capabilities?

Not saying I agree or disagree by the way, asking.






Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 24 2009, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How do we all know as you put it?

There is only one thing we know is identical in the Yamaha garage.

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Can you guess what that might be?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 24 2009, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is only one thing we know is identical in the Yamaha garage.

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Can you guess what that might be?


I am going the sunglasses as despitet heir best efforts they both fail to jag teh 'blue steel' look done so well by Ben Stiller.





Gaz